Hahnemann and penalties

[earley_royals]

Anyone got any stats on how many penalties he's faced and how many he's saved.

I can't remember a single save he's made from pens.

[B16]

Didn't he save one against Watford a couple of seasons back?

[Coppell's Right Footed 11]

http://www.royals.org/matdoc/231102.html

[Warfield Royal]

The onus is with the team taking the penalty kick.

The goalkeeper is not expected to save it.

[rollsy]

i thought that marcus was awsome today, but then so was fed when he came on.

[Maguire]

I said when it was awarded that I could only remember Marcus saving that one from Neil Cox. He's too short.

[Y21]

Not many keepers would have saved that pen...t'was well taken.

[Alan Partridge]

3 i make it

Watford Home
Gillingham away
Burnley away 5-2

no chance today.

[willz_royal]

i remember ?usa? saving a peno stuck so hard it went out for an opposition throw on the half way line

[anR]

Not many keepers would have saved that pen...t'was well taken.

Was it? Ok, he scored, exactly like he scores many penalties in his time at Spurs. But staggering his run like that... I just can't help feeling it's not very sportsmanlike. You could suggest that Marcus could have researched how the Fat Kevin Doyle takes his penalties and waited for the downrightcheating stop in the run...

I can actually remember saying that England should take their penalties this way after seeing others taken this way. Maybe then they'd win something!

It was a goal, so fair enough, but I would have felt better had he launched it like a rocket into a corner, pure Alan Shearer style.

[Arch]

Not many keepers would have saved that pen...t'was well taken.

Was it? Ok, he scored, exactly like he scores many penalties in his time at Spurs. But staggering his run like that... I just can't help feeling it's not very sportsmanlike. You could suggest that Marcus could have researched how the Fat Kevin Doyle takes his penalties and waited for the downrightcheating stop in the run...

I can actually remember saying that England should take their penalties this way after seeing others taken this way. Maybe then they'd win something!

It was a goal, so fair enough, but I would have felt better had he launched it like a rocket into a corner, pure Alan Shearer style.

The run apart the placement was perfect. The Germans have done a lot of research into this and there's a point - I think it's about 4 feet or something - above which the keeper practically never saves it. A lot of penalties are close to ground level because if you go for elevation you run the risk of ballooning it over. But ground level kicks are much more savable than elevated ones. Unstoppable, as Andy Gray pointed out. He got quite close.

[TheLawnMowerMan]

How about Norwich away?
Or are you not counting it as a save when the Keeper pressures the taker to put the ball wide.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

How about Norwich away?
Or are you not counting it as a save when the Keeper pressures the taker to put the ball wide.

Surely that's a missed penalty rather than a saved penalty?

[SpaceCruiser]

How about Norwich away?
Or are you not counting it as a save when the Keeper pressures the taker to put the ball wide.

Surely that's a missed penalty rather than a saved penalty?

I would have thought so, but I'd say that it's one of the few he didn't concede.

[Stranded]

Not many keepers would have saved that pen...t'was well taken.

Was it? Ok, he scored, exactly like he scores many penalties in his time at Spurs. But staggering his run like that... I just can't help feeling it's not very sportsmanlike. You could suggest that Marcus could have researched how the Fat Kevin Doyle takes his penalties and waited for the downrightcheating stop in the run...

I can actually remember saying that England should take their penalties this way after seeing others taken this way. Maybe then they'd win something!

It was a goal, so fair enough, but I would have felt better had he launched it like a rocket into a corner, pure Alan Shearer style.

What absolute rubbish and nothing but sour grapes. His run up was fine, it was just an excellent penalty.

As for studying his past penalties, that may not have shown much. Sky Sports showed a graphic and Keane doesn't have a favourite spot, he puts some to the left and some to the right. Some low and some high.

[RoyalBlue]

How about Norwich away?
Or are you not counting it as a save when the Keeper pressures the taker to put the ball wide.

Both my kids are keepers so we would definitely count that as a save! I do believe that keepers can adopt various techniques, which increase the pressure on the penalty taker and therefore the chances of them putting it high or wide.

A technique my two adopt is to start off standing visibly closer to the side of the goal that the taker would normally favour i.e. with a right footed taker they will stand nearer to their right hand post. This tempts the taker to open up and go for the opposite side of the goal. However, as the taker begins his run up, the keeper starts to move back towards the centre of goal. At kids level (not guaranteeing it would work with pros!) this leads to a very high ratio of kicks being put high, wide or saved by the keeper.

In my view penalties are very much about mind games and anything the keeper can do to put doubt/uncertainty/distraction into the mind of the taker helps start to even out the odds, which initially are pretty much stacked in favour of the keeper.

As for the stutter in Keane's run up mentioned by others, I'm pretty sure Darren Caskey often adopted a similar approach when taking penalties.

[URZZZZZZZZ]

Didn't he save one against Watford a couple of seasons back?

Yeah, cracking save.

[Rawlie19]

As for the stutter in Keane's run up mentioned by others, I'm pretty sure Darren Caskey often adopted a similar approach when taking penalties.

I think that was just cos he was a little on the large side and it looked like a stutter.

[papereyes]

Not many keepers would have saved that pen...t'was well taken.

Was it? Ok, he scored, exactly like he scores many penalties in his time at Spurs. But staggering his run like that... I just can't help feeling it's not very sportsmanlike. You could suggest that Marcus could have researched how the Fat Kevin Doyle takes his penalties and waited for the downrightcheating stop in the run...

I can actually remember saying that England should take their penalties this way after seeing others taken this way. Maybe then they'd win something!

It was a goal, so fair enough, but I would have felt better had he launched it like a rocket into a corner, pure Alan Shearer style.

Statistically, in World Cup penalty shoot outs, if you get it high and on target, its in. No keeper in that situation has ever reached one. Apparently.

Of course, however, penalties are a lottery and there is no point practising them.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

The onus is with the team taking the penalty kick.

I disagree.

The hungary & palace keeper kyrali has saved about 50% of the pens he has faced by all accounts. Reyna saves a huge % as well. Thats no fluke.

saving penalties is a skill. Marcus just isn't very good at that part of his game.