Sorry, but I am already pissed off with Seol

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by Franchise FC » 13 Aug 2007 16:53

Stranded But that is his style of play. The only difference between a good performance and bad performance is that things come off for him when playing well.

So to use his style as a stick to beat him with and say he isn't trying makes no sense as it doesn't change when he's playing well.


I'm pretty sure that's what I said - but then some started laying into me.

Maybe we should play the 'racist' card at this point.

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by brendywendy » 13 Aug 2007 16:54

racist!

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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 16:55

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The thing with Oster is that he is probably the cleverest player on the pitch.

Sometimes he is so clever that other players are not on his wavelength. He sees things that others don't see. He plays aggressive, attacking, expansive football. He takes risks going forward. He plays very clever passes into areas that if our other players could predict then it would split defences open!

I don't blame Oster for that. He is a very positive player. So positive and clever that others can't always read him. When others can't read him, the move breaks down and the ball is given away. He does it in the name of creating goals.

When we are not in possession, Oster works a hell of alot harder for the team than Seol......

I would choose Oster ahead of Seol anyday of the week. But that is just my opinion!

But I'm stupid according to you and I talk rubbish!


Do you not think that the team would have been able to adapt to Oster's sheer brilliance and creativity by now? Or is it perhaps his inability to adapt himself to the team ethic that has held him back, and indeed seen him become a jounreyman and bit part player since moving from Grimsby to Everton?


Well the teams certainly adapted to Seols lack of effort and the team has learned how to carry him.......

The other players have learned how to make up for Seols closing down and tracking back when the opposition are in possession and the best example of that is OT yesterday where we held the Champions in their own backyard carrying one passenger and playing with 10 men for 15 minutes.

We have 9 brilliantly hardworking outfield players!

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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 16:57

I think Oster does know how to play in our system. He is a very creative player and contributed very effectively last season. He keeps possession of the ball really well with his close control and excellent passing skills.

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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 17:00

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brendywendy it means i think you are a nob

and that you fit in very well on here.

edit: but then i read your next post that actually had stuff to say on the issue
and listed some decent points
talked about respect, and said its just your opinion that he doesnt put in 100%
so i take it back.
apologies


Thanks.........

I'll take that as a compliment!


it was meant as such
in a backhanded way :wink:


I'll take it as one anyway........ I have the ability to turn criticisms into positives unlike Seol!


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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 17:05

Maybe Seol is only good in certain games.

He defintely is not able to play week in week out with his style.

He needs to be used in the right circumstances. Therefore, the only teams I think Seol is capable to line up against are the following:

Middlesborough
Fulham
Birmingham
Sunderland
West Ham
Derby
Everton
Aston Villa
Wigan
Blackburn

He definitely should not play against the following:

Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Bolton
Portsmouth
Spurs
Newcastle

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by Franchise FC » 13 Aug 2007 17:09

brendywendy badly managed by everyone since ramsay? then its the FA's fault.

players like beckham, lampard, gerrard,carragher, rio, terry, owen, rooney, hargreaves, are all world class and could walk into most squads in world football , domestic or INTL.
in my opinion, englands chronic underachievement on the world stage has everything to do with the fear that grips the players
fear of failure, fear of making a mistake, which is why we spend our time passing sideways, worrying too much about the opposition, and getting all 4 midfielders back in the area whenever the opposition has the ball



The bl@@dy fear of getting BOOED !! :roll: :roll:

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by Royal Rother » 13 Aug 2007 18:59

brendywendy players like beckham, lampard, gerrard,carragher, rio, terry, owen, rooney, hargreaves, are all world class


Jesus! Now that really didn't help your credibility.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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by rabidbee » 13 Aug 2007 21:01

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:lol: :lol: This just about sums up how much rubbish you spout. Us as fans know absolutely nothing at all compared to the people in charge at the club.


Yeah, we're stupid aren't we..........

We can see Seol is playing sh*t but we are too thick to understand that actually he is playing really well......


If that were true and he is indeed playing badly, and has done for a lot of his time with RFC. Then what does that say about the ability of Oster? He must have about as much ability as Paul Brooker!


In my opinion, Oster works really hard and has moments of brilliance.

The thing with Oster is that he is probably the cleverest player on the pitch.

Sometimes he is so clever that other players are not on his wavelength. He sees things that others don't see. He plays aggressive, attacking, expansive football. He takes risks going forward. He plays very clever passes into areas that if our other players could predict then it would split defences open!

I don't blame Oster for that. He is a very positive player. So positive and clever that others can't always read him. When others can't read him, the move breaks down and the ball is given away. He does it in the name of creating goals.

When we are not in possession, Oster works a hell of alot harder for the team than Seol......

I would choose Oster ahead of Seol anyday of the week. But that is just my opinion!

But I'm stupid according to you and I talk rubbish!


Oster does the clever stuff well, but then messes up the simple stuff, giving the ball away in the process.


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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 21:07

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Top Flight However with Seol, the fans are right and Seol knows deep down that he could do more. In that situation, he should work harder!


:lol: :lol: This just about sums up how much rubbish you spout. Us as fans know absolutely nothing at all compared to the people in charge at the club.


Yeah, we're stupid aren't we..........

We can see Seol is playing sh*t but we are too thick to understand that actually he is playing really well......


If that were true and he is indeed playing badly, and has done for a lot of his time with RFC. Then what does that say about the ability of Oster? He must have about as much ability as Paul Brooker!


In my opinion, Oster works really hard and has moments of brilliance.

The thing with Oster is that he is probably the cleverest player on the pitch.

Sometimes he is so clever that other players are not on his wavelength. He sees things that others don't see. He plays aggressive, attacking, expansive football. He takes risks going forward. He plays very clever passes into areas that if our other players could predict then it would split defences open!

I don't blame Oster for that. He is a very positive player. So positive and clever that others can't always read him. When others can't read him, the move breaks down and the ball is given away. He does it in the name of creating goals.

When we are not in possession, Oster works a hell of alot harder for the team than Seol......

I would choose Oster ahead of Seol anyday of the week. But that is just my opinion!

But I'm stupid according to you and I talk rubbish!


Oster does the clever stuff well, but then messes up the simple stuff, giving the ball away in the process.


He does because his mind is thinking faster than his body can react!

But overall I am happier with Osters contribution than Seol's!

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by rabidbee » 13 Aug 2007 21:10

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rabidbee Oster does the clever stuff well, but then messes up the simple stuff, giving the ball away in the process.


He does because his mind is thinking faster than his body can react!


Still not very effective, though. Personally, I just think he has poor concentration. He's also a bit of a dickhead (witness shooting friend through the eye incident). These facts may help to explain why he has underachieved throughout his career, despite being so obviously talented. Let's face it, whatever you think, Coppell clearly thinks of him as out third-choice right winger.

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by Kes » 13 Aug 2007 21:17

Seol is so frustrating to watch. He's a talented player - who remember tore Reading to shreds a few times for Wolves! I know United are tougher opponents but I have to admit he looked disinterested yesterday.

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by knights_1990 » 13 Aug 2007 21:23

He will come better give him time!


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by Top Flight » 13 Aug 2007 21:24

Yeah, it looks the time to use Seol is in a game where we can win the midfield battle. In a more defensive and counter attacking game we are better off with Oster who retains possession much better.

In a more expansive, offensive game, maybe Seol is a good option with his direct attacking play and dangerous long range shooting.

Against the likes of United and Chelsea, Seol is useless. Against the likes of Boro, Fulham & West Ham Seol looks good.

It was the games against West Ham, Charlton, Sheff Utd & Boro that Seol looked dangerous last season. Those are the games where we controlled the midfield and were very attacking and offensive. Thats when Seol has an effect.

If we are going to be up against it, then Seol is a complete waste of space and Oster should be selected everytime.

Therefore Oster has got to be starting against Chelsea and Seol perhaps could be recalled for Everton.

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by Row Z Royal » 13 Aug 2007 21:24

knights_1990 He will come better give him time!


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by Muskrat » 13 Aug 2007 22:24

He'll be up front with Doyle on Wednesday.

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by savage 4 england » 13 Aug 2007 22:28

Give him a chance.

He was only playing against the top team in England. I'd give him 10 games and then make my judgement. If he doesn't perform, i would like him gone at January.

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by g » 13 Aug 2007 23:36

savage 4 england Give him a chance.

He was only playing against the top team in England. I'd give him 10 games and then make my judgement. If he doesn't perform, i would like him gone at January.

He has already had about 30 games, only 5 of which were him brilliant.

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by savage 4 england » 13 Aug 2007 23:38

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savage 4 england Give him a chance.

He was only playing against the top team in England. I'd give him 10 games and then make my judgement. If he doesn't perform, i would like him gone at January.

He has already had about 30 games, only 5 of which were him brilliant.

Convey didn't perform in his first season and then had a brilliant season.

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by readingfc_4_life_and_beyo » 14 Aug 2007 00:29

Muskrat He'll be up front with Doyle on Wednesday.

Doubt it. Same team as Sunday on Wednesday.

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