Sorry, but I am already pissed off with Seol

[readingfc_4_life_and_beyo]

Give him a chance.

He was only playing against the top team in England. I'd give him 10 games and then make my judgement. If he doesn't perform, i would like him gone at January.

He has already had about 30 games, only 5 of which were him brilliant.

Convey didn't perform in his first season and then had a brilliant season.

Difference is a few thousand miles, lots of settling in to do, and the number of appearances they both made in their first seasons...

[The Colonel]

Thought he had a deceny game on Sunday all things considered.

Why is it that when Hunt gives a away a foul it is "Hunty getting stuck in" but when Seol gives away a foul it is "lazy"?

[Royalee]

Thought he had a deceny game on Sunday all things considered.

Why is it that when Hunt gives a away a foul it is "Hunty getting stuck in" but when Seol gives away a foul it is "lazy"?

Possibly because if he'd gone in properly he'dve won the ball, which he actually lost in the first place through dawdling.

[Top Flight]

Give him a chance.

He was only playing against the top team in England. I'd give him 10 games and then make my judgement. If he doesn't perform, i would like him gone at January.

He has already had about 30 games, only 5 of which were him brilliant.

Convey didn't perform in his first season and then had a brilliant season.

Yeah, but at least Convey looked like he was trying......

It looked like he might not be strong enough and couldn't find the pace when he first arrived. But it was clear he was trying his best. Thats all a fan can ask for. Players can buy themselves time by working hard. We will wait for a player to find his level.

Seol really doesn't look bothered and that grates many people!

[brendywendy]

players like beckham, lampard, gerrard,carragher, rio, terry, owen, rooney, hargreaves, are all world class

Jesus! Now that really didn't help your credibility....

when i need tips on credability keeping from you, ill ask

those players would(if not for the stupidly inflated asking prices for english players) make it into teams in the top four or five of every league in the world.
not sure you can deny that in all seriousness

[Royal Rother]

when i need tips on credability keeping from you, ill ask

Okay, dear!!

Well, if you think that makes them world class, fair play to you. We obviously have a different definition of world class. You must think there's hundreds, I reckon 20 absolute tops.

[Top Flight]

So who are the 20 World Class players?

[The Goat was fed]

Top twenty world class players...(prepare for someone to point out this should be in general football)

In no particular order but trying to vary positions...

Gerrard
Gattuso
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Messi
Cannavaro
Deco
Rooney
Cech
Terry

and now I'm bored but you get the gist all of these players would walk into any team's starting eleven.

[sheshnu]

Not Deco.

[brendywendy]

Thought he had a deceny game on Sunday all things considered.

Why is it that when Hunt gives a away a foul it is "Hunty getting stuck in" but when Seol gives away a foul it is "lazy"?

Possibly because if he'd gone in properly he'dve won the ball, which he actually lost in the first place through dawdling.

point proved then.

hunt makes no decent tackles all game, loses th eball on numerous occasions, and goes close to getting booked or worse with some horrendous late attempts at challenges, the only saving grace being they were so late that he missed the player entirely
and is blameless
seol actually wins the ball once, breaks up play another couple of times, and once, when he lost the ball ran desperately to get it back and caught the guys heels gets booked and is called lazy

i give up, some people just dont know what they are looking at

[brendywendy]

when i need tips on credability keeping from you, ill ask

Okay, dear!!

Well, if you think that makes them world class, fair play to you. We obviously have a different definition of world class. You must think there's hundreds, I reckon 20 absolute tops.

i would define world class as being more than capable of playing international football for,with and against the best teams and players in the world.

what you are talking about is being the best one or two in the world in your position

not sure there is an official dictionary definition of world class, but ill stick with mine if its all the same to you

[Only one Trevor Morley]

Dear oh dear - reading this thread in its entirety has left me shaking my head.

Its good to see that the Boos Brothers - Royalee, Royal rother, Top Flight and to a slightly lesser extent Hoop Blah are back in force after our outstanding draw against the champions.

Just a few points for you cheeky chappies to chew over.

It is possible for a player to play badly and be trying. you acknowledge that for Hughes but not for Seol. This is because Seol apparently doesnt 'look like he is trying hard enough'. So clearly if Seol grits his teeth, pours water over himself to give himself the appearance of sweating and goes RAAAAAAAAAAHHH every times he chases for the ball then that would mean he is trying and you would be on his side again. Why dont you just criticise Seol for his footballing performance - he just didnt play well - nothing to do with effort. when Seol plays well its not as thought it looks like he is trying any harder - its just that he beats his man.

Royal Rother feely admits to forming opinions quickly which reflect his views at any given moment. Thats fine, we all know the person who likes the sound of his own voice and steadfastly sets out views before the facts emerge - it makes for interesting (if ill informed) debate. However if you're going to make opinions on the hoof then you have to accept that more often than not those opinions will be incorrect because they have been made quickly in the absence of fact.

Royalee and Top Flight suffer from an ability to separate an attack on their views as an attack on their own (admittedly negative) personalities. They therefore stick to their vierws in the absence of any facts to bolster their opinions of them. I can gurantee that they will reading this post and shaking their heads and saying 'what the hell is he going on about' or 'he is totally wrong'. They are lost causes. unfortunately they are also reading fans who have got it into tehir heads that their criticism is somehow constructive.

Just chill lads.

[1960]

Well, I think we should drop Sonko even when he becomes fit. After all he can't run up and down the right wing, beat two or three players with his skill and trickery and put in a perfect cross for one of the strikers to thump home. Or hit 20 yarders in from the edge of the box to win games.

"Not his job" I hear you say. Exactly.

[Alan Partridge]

Dear oh dear - reading this thread in its entirety has left me shaking my head.

Its good to see that the Boos Brothers - Royalee, Royal rother, Top Flight and to a slightly lesser extent Hoop Blah are back in force after our outstanding draw against the champions.

Just a few points for you cheeky chappies to chew over.

It is possible for a player to play badly and be trying. you acknowledge that for Hughes but not for Seol. This is because Seol apparently doesnt 'look like he is trying hard enough'. So clearly if Seol grits his teeth, pours water over himself to give himself the appearance of sweating and goes RAAAAAAAAAAHHH every times he chases for the ball then that would mean he is trying and you would be on his side again. Why dont you just criticise Seol for his footballing performance - he just didnt play well - nothing to do with effort. when Seol plays well its not as thought it looks like he is trying any harder - its just that he beats his man.

Royal Rother feely admits to forming opinions quickly which reflect his views at any given moment. Thats fine, we all know the person who likes the sound of his own voice and steadfastly sets out views before the facts emerge - it makes for interesting (if ill informed) debate. However if you're going to make opinions on the hoof then you have to accept that more often than not those opinions will be incorrect because they have been made quickly in the absence of fact.

Royalee and Top Flight suffer from an ability to separate an attack on their views as an attack on their own (admittedly negative) personalities. They therefore stick to their vierws in the absence of any facts to bolster their opinions of them. I can gurantee that they will reading this post and shaking their heads and saying 'what the hell is he going on about' or 'he is totally wrong'. They are lost causes. unfortunately they are also reading fans who have got it into tehir heads that their criticism is somehow constructive.

Just chill lads.

The man knows what he's talking about.

[Alan Partridge]

Well, I think we should drop Sonko even when he becomes fit. After all he can't run up and down the right wing, beat two or three players with his skill and trickery and put in a perfect cross for one of the strikers to thump home. Or hit 20 yarders in from the edge of the box to win games.

"Not his job" I hear you say. Exactly.

It's funny because you only hear it in reference to Seol 'he can't tackle, doesn't put himself about'. I don't want my attacking right winger to do that, if i wanted him to do that i'd play him at full back. I'm also going to go on a Hahnemann hate crusade because he's played 200 odd games and never scored. Hopeless return.

[Upper West Ginger]

Well, I think we should drop Sonko even when he becomes fit. After all he can't run up and down the right wing, beat two or three players with his skill and trickery and put in a perfect cross for one of the strikers to thump home. Or hit 20 yarders in from the edge of the box to win games.

"Not his job" I hear you say. Exactly.

It's funny because you only hear it in reference to Seol 'he can't tackle, doesn't put himself about'. I don't want my attacking right winger to do that, if i wanted him to do that i'd play him at full back. I'm also going to go on a Hahnemann hate crusade because he's played 200 odd games and never scored. Hopeless return.

So the point is that Seol is not as versatile as some other players in the team, and can only be used in a particular specialist role, which restricts the tactical formation of the team as a whole. If he did on the right wing what Shorey does on the left, we would be hailing him as a genius; because he is incapable of that, he gets criticized. So, play him in the free-flowing open games that suit him, and drop him from the tight defensive matches.

[Top Flight]

Well, I think we should drop Sonko even when he becomes fit. After all he can't run up and down the right wing, beat two or three players with his skill and trickery and put in a perfect cross for one of the strikers to thump home. Or hit 20 yarders in from the edge of the box to win games.

"Not his job" I hear you say. Exactly.

It's funny because you only hear it in reference to Seol 'he can't tackle, doesn't put himself about'. I don't want my attacking right winger to do that, if i wanted him to do that i'd play him at full back. I'm also going to go on a Hahnemann hate crusade because he's played 200 odd games and never scored. Hopeless return.

Now you're all just being silly..........

[Top Flight]

Well, I think we should drop Sonko even when he becomes fit. After all he can't run up and down the right wing, beat two or three players with his skill and trickery and put in a perfect cross for one of the strikers to thump home. Or hit 20 yarders in from the edge of the box to win games.

"Not his job" I hear you say. Exactly.

It's funny because you only hear it in reference to Seol 'he can't tackle, doesn't put himself about'. I don't want my attacking right winger to do that, if i wanted him to do that i'd play him at full back. I'm also going to go on a Hahnemann hate crusade because he's played 200 odd games and never scored. Hopeless return.

So the point is that Seol is not as versatile as some other players in the team, and can only be used in a particular specialist role, which restricts the tactical formation of the team as a whole. If he did on the right wing what Shorey does on the left, we would be hailing him as a genius; because he is incapable of that, he gets criticized. So, play him in the free-flowing open games that suit him, and drop him from the tight defensive matches.

Exactly.......... This may be the only way to get something out of Seol......

He is never gonna be able to play every Premier League game because his style doesn't allow for it.........

I've already listed which games I think he can effect positively.

But, whatever anyone says, Seol still doesn't work hard enough.

[BR2]

I am not entrenched in either camp regarding Seol but has he done enough to warrant a first team place ?
I can remember 3(?)goals and a few crosses whereas with Little I can remember 0 goals but hundreds of crosses.
BTW neither of them can defend nor can Oster but that might not be a requirement if they make enough happen at the other end of the pitch.

On balance I feel that Seol has a long way to go before being regarded as a good enough replacement for Little and if Little continues to be injured we need to bring in another winger (as Coppell has already said so he must be uncertain whether Seol or Oster is good enough).
As for the left side I have doubts about both Convey and Hunt but we come back to the "What do you expect? We came 8th last season which should be good enough for any real fan" argument.
I think to get anywhere near 8th we need to fill the big gap left by Sidwell (especially from an attacking point of view) and by Little-the new signings may well do even better and only time will tell so possibly there is no need to worry but as Coppell has already said that if Little's injuries persist he will have to look at bringing in another winger.
If that happens we might not need any more 12 page topics about Seol-maybe it will be 15 page topics about the new Igoe or Scott Murray.

[Top Flight]

Dear oh dear - reading this thread in its entirety has left me shaking my head.

Its good to see that the Boos Brothers - Royalee, Royal rother, Top Flight and to a slightly lesser extent Hoop Blah are back in force after our outstanding draw against the champions.

Just a few points for you cheeky chappies to chew over.

It is possible for a player to play badly and be trying. you acknowledge that for Hughes but not for Seol. This is because Seol apparently doesnt 'look like he is trying hard enough'. So clearly if Seol grits his teeth, pours water over himself to give himself the appearance of sweating and goes RAAAAAAAAAAHHH every times he chases for the ball then that would mean he is trying and you would be on his side again. Why dont you just criticise Seol for his footballing performance - he just didnt play well - nothing to do with effort. when Seol plays well its not as thought it looks like he is trying any harder - its just that he beats his man.

Royal Rother feely admits to forming opinions quickly which reflect his views at any given moment. Thats fine, we all know the person who likes the sound of his own voice and steadfastly sets out views before the facts emerge - it makes for interesting (if ill informed) debate. However if you're going to make opinions on the hoof then you have to accept that more often than not those opinions will be incorrect because they have been made quickly in the absence of fact.

Royalee and Top Flight suffer from an ability to separate an attack on their views as an attack on their own (admittedly negative) personalities. They therefore stick to their vierws in the absence of any facts to bolster their opinions of them. I can gurantee that they will reading this post and shaking their heads and saying 'what the hell is he going on about' or 'he is totally wrong'. They are lost causes. unfortunately they are also reading fans who have got it into tehir heads that their criticism is somehow constructive.

Just chill lads.

So the fact that Seol walks around and mopes about the pitch like he can't be ars*d isn't enough evidence to suggest that he is not trying hard enough.

I can only say what I see.

Its very obvious he doesn't give 100% commitment.