RUMOUR - Lita & Shorey on the way out

[Dirk Gently]

Sell on clauses are generally valid until the player is sold on.

I believe most sell-on clauses are valid for the length of the players contract. Since I can't believe we gave NS a 7 year contract, then the original one must've expired. On that basis I'm not sure why Orient would get anything at all.

Because the sell-on clause is in a contract between RFC and Orient.

NS signing a new contract between him and RFC can't invalidate the existing contract between the clubs.

[Deadlock]

Indeed. Signing new contracts does not invalidate original contractual terms due to former clubs, as RFC found out when we tried to not pay York some extra dosh for Murty when we got promoted.

[loyalroyal4life]

lita swap for matty taylor

[Alan Partridge]

lita swap for matty taylor

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

We seem to once again be falling in to the Sidwell situation, with fans seriously under ratting a player they think wants out.

I don't even think Mat Taylor is as good a left back in a 442 as Shorey.

Players like Zamora are not as a good as Lita. Although Lita's finishing has been off this year (so has Doyle's to be honest). He's a good target man and imo our best forward in a 541 formation.

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

oxf*rd it if the want out. Coppell should be a good enough manager to deal with that. They can go on free transfers and get big fcukin signing on fees if they want. We don't need the money, we can't spend it anyway....

[juanpablo]

We seem to once again be falling in to the Sidwell situation, with fans seriously under ratting a player they think wants out.

I don't even think Mat Taylor is as good a left back in a 442 as Shorey.

Players like Zamora are not as a good as Lita. Although Lita's finishing has been off this year (so has Doyle's to be honest). He's a good target man and imo our best forward in a 541 formation.

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

oxf*rd it if the want out. Coppell should be a good enough manager to deal with that. They can go on free transfers and get big fcukin signing on fees if they want. We don't need the money, we can't spend it anyway....

some very good points which is rare on here

[Oi Oi Saveloy]

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

The fact is if they want to go, they will not give their all to the club. On rare occasions a player will continue to do so, but it doesn't seem Shorey or Lita are preapred to do so.

If they will not give full committment, then it leaves Coppell little choice but to cash in on them, instead of paying them decent wages for another season and a half and then not getting a transfer fee for them

It is frustrating as a supporter, but the clubs hands are tied on this, and this is the reality of having a a successful team. eventually the players will want to test themselves at a bigger club and there is very little we can do to stop them.

[Stranded]

We seem to once again be falling in to the Sidwell situation, with fans seriously under ratting a player they think wants out.

I don't even think Mat Taylor is as good a left back in a 442 as Shorey.

Players like Zamora are not as a good as Lita. Although Lita's finishing has been off this year (so has Doyle's to be honest). He's a good target man and imo our best forward in a 541 formation.

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

oxf*rd it if the want out. Coppell should be a good enough manager to deal with that. They can go on free transfers and get big fcukin signing on fees if they want. We don't need the money, we can't spend it anyway....

Coppell is dealing with Lita. The bloke has not played well when in the team this season.

Kitson has 5 goals, Doyle 4 and Long 2 in the Premiership this season so are rightly ahead of Lita in the pecking order.

If an acceptable offer for Lita comes in then we will likely sell esp if we can get a striker that suits us better.

With Shorey, we stood firm in the summer. If the player has made it clear he wants to go, there is only really so long you can keep them here before it affects their game (arguably it already has with Shorey) and in turn the whole club.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

The fact is if they want to go, they will not give their all to the club. On rare occasions a player will continue to do so, but it doesn't seem Shorey or Lita are preapred to do so.

If they will not give full committment, then it leaves Coppell little choice but to cash in on them, instead of paying them decent wages for another season and a half and then not getting a transfer fee for them

It is frustrating as a supporter, but the clubs hands are tied on this, and this is the reality of having a a successful team. eventually the players will want to test themselves at a bigger club and there is very little we can do to stop them.

A half committed Shorey is still better than anything else we could get though. To be honest same with Lita.

Don't see any point is cashing in, if we've not got an over flowing transfer pot right now, something isn't right.

[Stranded]

A fully committed player with a little less talent>>>a half committed player

[Oi Oi Saveloy]

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

The fact is if they want to go, they will not give their all to the club. On rare occasions a player will continue to do so, but it doesn't seem Shorey or Lita are preapred to do so.

If they will not give full committment, then it leaves Coppell little choice but to cash in on them, instead of paying them decent wages for another season and a half and then not getting a transfer fee for them

It is frustrating as a supporter, but the clubs hands are tied on this, and this is the reality of having a a successful team. eventually the players will want to test themselves at a bigger club and there is very little we can do to stop them.

A half committed Shorey is still better than anything else we could get though. To be honest same with Lita.

Don't see any point is cashing in, if we've not got an over flowing transfer pot right now, something isn't right.

We would probably get between £8mill-£10mill for the pair of them. It would silly to risk losing that money, plus all the extra we would pay them in wages. Maybe if the club had the same sort of financial backing as Chelsea it would be different, but we don;t and you should know by now Madejski runs it like a business and would not be able to torn down good offers for players whio want to leave. especially

There are too many people on this site eho think just becuase we are in the Premiership, money is no object. Well looking at our record of spending since we have been promoted, I hardly see any evidence to back that view up. We remain cautious in our approach and will probably do so while Mr Mad is Chairman.

It is a shame that it appears inevitable they will go and as a supporter it is hard to let go, but sometimes these tough decisions need to be made

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

We seem to once again be falling in to the Sidwell situation, with fans seriously under ratting a player they think wants out.

I don't even think Mat Taylor is as good a left back in a 442 as Shorey.

Players like Zamora are not as a good as Lita. Although Lita's finishing has been off this year (so has Doyle's to be honest). He's a good target man and imo our best forward in a 541 formation.

As we've seen with Sid this season, truly Premiership class players are very, very hard to replace. We're in trouble at the moment, selling our Premiership quality players is not the way to go.

oxf*rd it if the want out. Coppell should be a good enough manager to deal with that. They can go on free transfers and get big fcukin signing on fees if they want. We don't need the money, we can't spend it anyway....

Coppell is dealing with Lita. The bloke has not played well when in the team this season.

Kitson has 5 goals, Doyle 4 and Long 2 in the Premiership this season so are rightly ahead of Lita in the pecking order.

If an acceptable offer for Lita comes in then we will likely sell esp if we can get a striker that suits us better.

With Shorey, we stood firm in the summer. If the player has made it clear he wants to go, there is only really so long you can keep them here before it affects their game (arguably it already has with Shorey) and in turn the whole club.

You're prob right about Lita. Would be happy with someone like Hulse.

Don't think we'd be able to get a player close to Shorey though.

What worries me is we end up like in the summer with Sidwell and we sell Lita or Shorey and just don't replace them.

[OzBiscuit2004]

Charlton and West Brom after Lita.

[Uke]

Charlton and West Brom after Lita.

Did you not miss out the Premiership big name clubs desperate for his services?

After all, everyone has told us that what he does off the pitch will have no bearing on his future career or valuation

[Row Z Royal]

Charlton and West Brom after Lita.

Did you not miss out the Premiership big name clubs desperate for his services?

After all, everyone has told us that what he does off the pitch will have no bearing on his future career or valuation

On the plus side, those two teams are likely to pay a little over the odds - possibly £3-4m if we're lucky. Anyone who laugh and thinks he's worth more than than just because in the PL needs their head looking at.

[Royal Rother]

As shown on another thread Lita has just about the lowest goals to games ratio of any established striker we've had in the last 30 years, so he will be no big loss.

If we get £4m for him and spend it on a central midfielder who can create something for Kitson and Doyle to work with then it will have been a damned fine piece of business.

[brendywendy]

As shown on another thread Lita has just about the lowest goals to games ratio of any established striker we've had in the last 30 years, so he will be no big loss.

If we get £4m for him and spend it on a central midfielder who can create something for Kitson and Doyle to work with then it will have been a damned fine piece of business.

though it doesnt take into account quality of opposition
if the results were weighted in this way lita and doyle would be higher
due to last years heroics

[Coppelled Streets]

A fully committed player with a little less talent>>>a half committed player

Exactly and Shorey seems half the player he was last season. Where are the runs forward for a start? He just doesn't look as bothered. It's as if he's proved his ability at this level and made his mind up already.

I wont br disappointed if he goes. At least Sidwell gave everything right up until his last game!

[Royal Rother]

True brendy, but he is paid to be a PL striker. I'm sure if he goes to WBA or Charlton he'll bag a few again.

[Dirk Gently]

True brendy, but he is paid to be a PL striker. I'm sure if he goes to WBA or Charlton he'll bag a few again.

And probably earn the team he plays for promotion, which would be worth over £20M to them. That's a good deal - as long as it works!