EASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
Yes
Until about five seconds after the start when some mong starts tapping me on the shoulder.
by AF1 » 08 Jan 2008 14:50
EASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
by EASTENDER MARKY » 08 Jan 2008 14:51
AF1EASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
Yes
Until about five seconds after the start when some mong starts tapping me on the shoulder.
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2008 14:54
AF1EASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
Yes
Until about five seconds after the start when some mong starts tapping me on the shoulder.
by EASTENDER MARKY » 08 Jan 2008 15:00
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2008 15:02
by EASTENDER MARKY » 08 Jan 2008 15:09
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2008 15:24
DCMS "Whilst the Government acknowledges that standing accommodation is not intrinsically unsafe, we still hold the view that, due to the large attendances in the top two leagues in England and potential for disorder that is not generally prevalent in other sports, seated accommodation at grounds in these leagues, along with good stewarding and policing, is the most effective means of achieving this aim. Nothing contained in the FSF report has led us to amend our view."
by paultheroyal » 08 Jan 2008 17:22
Platypusspaultheroyal no evidence it improves the atmosphere and actually it would probably have the more negative effect because everyone is more weary from standing for long period.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
by paultheroyal » 08 Jan 2008 17:26
EASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
by reading_lad » 08 Jan 2008 17:50
paultheroyalEASTENDER MARKY So everyone who's posting on here will be standing at Asyon Villa on saturday, yeah?
Not a chance - as Spurs away proved.
by Baines » 08 Jan 2008 17:50
paultheroyalPlatypusspaultheroyal no evidence it improves the atmosphere and actually it would probably have the more negative effect because everyone is more weary from standing for long period.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
Prove to me it has the opposite effect.
by paultheroyal » 08 Jan 2008 18:23
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2008 18:31
paultheroyal No one has proved standing is in demand / nor wanted /
http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/pdfs/safe-standing-report-web.pdf, published June 2007 - pages (23-24) 5.1 Commercial property consultants Drivers Jonas (DJ) whose current and former clients include, amongst many others, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Exeter City, Reading, Southampton, Sunderland and Swansea City Football Clubs, commissioned the Football Fans’ Census (FFC) in 2005 to survey opinion amongst football fans on a range of stadia issues. The FFC also undertook a separate survey working with the group Stand Up Sit Down (SUSD) at the end of 2006.
5.2 The full findings of the latter survey, which is based on responses from 2,046 football supporters between 11 December 2006 and 6 January 2007, can be found at appendix A of this report. Amongst the highlights was a 92% ‘yes’ response to the question, ‘Should fans be given the freedom to choose whether they stand (in ‘safe-standing’ areas) or sit inside football grounds?’ Only 7% answered ‘no’ with 1% answering ‘don’t know’.
paultheroyal Bottom line is it wont change - vent your frustrations into something you can change i.e. improvements in catering for starters!!
by Baines » 08 Jan 2008 18:45
paultheroyal No one has proved standing is in demand / nor wanted /
previously, I 1) people who are happy to stand voluntarily (i.e. not simply because the person in front of them is standing) for prolonged periods during a game would obviously prefer to stand rather than sit, otherwise why would they stand? (It will be apparent from the evidence of your own eyes that there are plenty of such people);
2) Those people are only a small proportion of people who, when faced with a choice between sitting in seats or standing in a terrace, would prefer to stand, because the presence of seats, nagging stewards and consideration to the person sitting behind you all tend to discourage standing in seated areas.
by paultheroyal » 08 Jan 2008 18:54
by Baines » 08 Jan 2008 18:57
paultheroyal I am not against standing dont get me wrong - i just think you are all overstating the demand for it. Spurs on Saturday a clear example of this.
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2008 19:04
Safe Standing Results Summary
Results produced by The Football Fans’ Census
12 January 2007
About The Survey
The national survey of 2,046 football fans was conducted by the Football Fans’ Census on behalf of ‘Safe Standing’ between 11 December 2006 and 6 January 2007. The survey was conducted online and supporters of 159 teams were represented including all clubs in the Premiership and Football League. 46% of respondents were season ticket holders.
About The Football Fans’ Census
The Football Fans’ Census is a football research organisation. It has over 100,000 registered member/users.
Tables of Findings
Source ‘Safe Standing Survey’ by the Football Fans’ Census. Sample size 2,046 football fans.
Q1. Should fans be given the freedom to choose whether they stand (in ‘safe-standing’ areas) or sit inside football grounds?
Yes 92%
No 7%
Don’t know 1%
Q2. Should ‘safe-standing’ areas be allowed in grounds?
Yes - it should be mandatory 27%
Yes - the option should be allowed 65%
No - ‘safe-standing’ shouldn’t be allowed 7%
Don’t know 1%
Q3. If clubs went ahead with it, what percentage of a ground’s capacity should be allocated a ‘safe-standing’ area?
Over 35% 23%
21- 35% 36%
11-20% 24%
10% or less 11%
Don’t know 6%
Q4. Who should have the power to decide whether or not grounds should include ‘safestanding’ areas?
Government/Depart of Culture, Media and Sport 9%
Local authorities - councils and police 20%
Individual clubs 52%
Supporters 17%
Don’t know 2%
Q5. If there was a ‘safe-standing’ area in your ground how often would you buy a standing ticket IF going to a match?
All the time 40%
More often than not 23%
Occasionally 17%
Never 17%
Don’t know 3%
Q6. How would the introduction of ‘safestanding’ areas affect your match attendance?
I’d go to a lot more matches 18%
I’d go to a few more matches 13%
Wouldn’t affect my attendance 65%
I’d go to a few less matches 1%
I’d go to many less matches 1%
Don’t know 2%
Q7. If designated standing areas were available would you generally prefer to use a standing or sitting area?
Standing 69%
Sitting 31%
Q8. What effect would the introduction of ‘safe-standing’ have on crowd trouble and hooliganism?
Would improve the situation a lot 4%
Would improve the situation slightly 7%
Wouldn’t make any difference 69%
Would make the situation slightly worse 10%
Would make the situation a lot worse 4%
Don’t know 6%
Q9. What effect would the introduction of ‘safe-standing’ have on spectator safety?
Would improve safety a lot 6%
Would improve safety slightly 18%
Wouldn’t make any difference 54%
Would make it slightly more unsafe 14%
Would make it significantly more unsafe 4%
Don’t know 4%
Q10. What effect would the introduction of ‘safe-standing’ have on your view during the match?
Would improve it a lot 17%
Would improve it slightly 19%
Wouldn’t make any difference 43%
Would make it slightly worse 13%
Would make it significantly worse 4%
Don’t know 4%
Q11. Do you think the introduction of ‘safe standing’ areas would improve the atmosphere at football?
Yes - significantly 72%
Yes - somewhat 20%
No - it wouldn’t make any difference 8%
Q12. Overall, what effect would the introduction of ‘safe-standing’ have on your match-day experience?
Would make it a lot more enjoyable 52%
Would make it slightly more enjoyable 26%
Wouldn’t make any difference 17%
Would make it less enjoyable 2%
Would make it significantly less enjoyable 2%
Don’t know 1%
Q13. Regardless of your preference to stand or sit, do you think that there should be designated standing areas at all grounds, to allow choice for all supporters and overcome the current problem of supporters standing in seated areas, blocking the view of those behind who may wish to sit?
Yes 90%
No 10%
Q14. Do you think there can ever be such a thing as ‘safe standing’?
Yes 79%
No - but I would like there to be standing areas anyway 13%
No - and I would not like there to be standing areas at football 6%
Don’t know 2%
Q15. Would you be more or less likely to vote for a politician in Local Elections who supported the reintroduction of some form of
standing at football?
Much more likely 29%
More likely 24%
Would make no difference 43%
Less likely 2%
Much less likely 2%
Q16. Would you be more or less likely to vote for a politician in National Elections who supported the reintroduction of some form of standing at football?
Much more likely 25%
More likely 25%
Would make no difference 46%
Less likely 2%
Much less likely 2%
by paultheroyal » 09 Jan 2008 01:14
Platypuss Yep, no evidence for demand there.
by Dirk Gently » 09 Jan 2008 08:42
paultheroyal Check out their website - they are not wanting to be involved in building state of the art safe standing stadia are they?
It's actually the same poll - I've just included all of it. Mind you, I have got another 44 pages of good, strong, evidence if required.....paultheroyal DG - That is a better poll and results mind you - better than your first offering
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