by brendywendy » 05 Feb 2008 17:08
by Gus the teenage cow » 05 Feb 2008 17:10
brendywendy thats true
if quizzed i guess people from both sides would say they were simply realists stuck somewhere between the two camps
i know i certainly am....
by lozz2601 » 05 Feb 2008 17:13
by weybridgewanderer » 05 Feb 2008 17:14
by Leamington Royal » 05 Feb 2008 17:17
by Victor Meldrew » 05 Feb 2008 17:20
by Seal » 05 Feb 2008 17:22
Gus the teenage cow We all know Reading FC have not strenthened during the window, that was Coppell's choice so having a pop at the board is not fair unless you criticise their wage restrictions which we are not privy to. Bearing in mind HUnt has signed a new contract and there are positive signs that Shorey will do so too, perhaps the wages on offer are not as prohibitive as some might think.
by Royal Rother » 05 Feb 2008 17:23
papereyes There's a reason why people's criticism will get louder and louder and its because people were, by and large, not allowed to express their doubts and misgivings from about July onwards.
by lozz2601 » 05 Feb 2008 17:23
Leamington Royal Excellent post Gus. Sure this forum is one for debate, but in the Stadium we need to be completely behind the team. And against Bolton, the evidence was that it was all too quick to evaporate. How many of us were still at our seats at the final whistle?
But, there are at least 10 good reasons to believe we can turn this round and stay up:
1. Derby, Fulham and Birmingham are all still behind us. They have to do better than us.
2. There are enough teams close in front that a slight edge in form will mean we leapfrog someone else (and if our strong home support delivers an extra point or two to deliver that, then it could make all the difference).
3. The remaining fixtures we have are undoubtedly less difficult than the games since Christmas. And easier than some of our immediate rivals.
4. We have several 6 pointers to play - Fulham, Birmingham, Derby, Wigan, Boro', Newcastle (oh yes)...
5. We have players coming back from the ACON with fresh impetus/ optimism
6. We appear to have made one good signing who can unlock defenses in ways we're not used to (e.g. Marek's excquisite through ball to Kitson should have been buried by Kitson to give us the lead)
7. Oster (love hime or hate him) is back and showed good use of the ball in his short time on the pitch on Saturday. This gives us balance and can only improve if we can squeeze 3-4 games out of Little before the end of the season.
8. We did not lose any first teamers in January.
9. We have only just stumbled across Cisses capabilities at Centre back and the more he plays the more it is likely to have a settling effect on the defence.
10. We still have a tight nit group of players who have played there way out of bad runs before (we have had plenty of 4+ games losing sequences under Coppell and Pardew with essentially this nucleus of players). They (and SC) have the mental strength to get back on track.
We don't need to transform into Villa, City or Everton, we just need to be slightly better than the mediocity around us over the next dozen or so games.
Believe and make the difference in the Madstad!!
by Victor Meldrew » 05 Feb 2008 17:56
Leamington Royal Excellent post Gus. Sure this forum is one for debate, but in the Stadium we need to be completely behind the team. And against Bolton, the evidence was that it was all too quick to evaporate. How many of us were still at our seats at the final whistle?
But, there are at least 10 good reasons to believe we can turn this round and stay up:
1. Derby, Fulham and Birmingham are all still behind us. They have to do better than us.
2. There are enough teams close in front that a slight edge in form will mean we leapfrog someone else (and if our strong home support delivers an extra point or two to deliver that, then it could make all the difference).
3. The remaining fixtures we have are undoubtedly less difficult than the games since Christmas. And easier than some of our immediate rivals.
4. We have several 6 pointers to play - Fulham, Birmingham, Derby, Wigan, Boro', Newcastle (oh yes)...
5. We have players coming back from the ACON with fresh impetus/ optimism
6. We appear to have made one good signing who can unlock defenses in ways we're not used to (e.g. Marek's excquisite through ball to Kitson should have been buried by Kitson to give us the lead)
7. Oster (love hime or hate him) is back and showed good use of the ball in his short time on the pitch on Saturday. This gives us balance and can only improve if we can squeeze 3-4 games out of Little before the end of the season.
8. We did not lose any first teamers in January.
9. We have only just stumbled across Cisses capabilities at Centre back and the more he plays the more it is likely to have a settling effect on the defence.
10. We still have a tight nit group of players who have played there way out of bad runs before (we have had plenty of 4+ games losing sequences under Coppell and Pardew with essentially this nucleus of players). They (and SC) have the mental strength to get back on track.
We don't need to transform into Villa, City or Everton, we just need to be slightly better than the mediocity around us over the next dozen or so games.
Believe and make the difference in the Madstad!!
by brendywendy » 05 Feb 2008 18:10
Gus the teenage cowbrendywendy thats true
if quizzed i guess people from both sides would say they were simply realists stuck somewhere between the two camps
i know i certainly am....
no, you are on the everything is fine, coppell can do no wrong side of the divide
by brendywendy » 05 Feb 2008 18:16
SealGus the teenage cow We all know Reading FC have not strenthened during the window, that was Coppell's choice so having a pop at the board is not fair unless you criticise their wage restrictions which we are not privy to. Bearing in mind HUnt has signed a new contract and there are positive signs that Shorey will do so too, perhaps the wages on offer are not as prohibitive as some might think.
How do know this is the case? Far too simplistic viewpoint and very naive.
I am annoyed that my increased investment in this club (i.e. rise the cost of EVERYTHING associated with RFC) has not been offset by the promised investment in players, which has quite simply never materialised.
.
by Victor Meldrew » 05 Feb 2008 18:30
brendywendySealGus the teenage cow We all know Reading FC have not strenthened during the window, that was Coppell's choice so having a pop at the board is not fair unless you criticise their wage restrictions which we are not privy to. Bearing in mind HUnt has signed a new contract and there are positive signs that Shorey will do so too, perhaps the wages on offer are not as prohibitive as some might think.
How do know this is the case? Far too simplistic viewpoint and very naive.
I am annoyed that my increased investment in this club (i.e. rise the cost of EVERYTHING associated with RFC) has not been offset by the promised investment in players, which has quite simply never materialised.
.
wage bill for entire squad doubled, if not more-this is an investment in players, just not new ones
7 million net, spent on new players over the last couple of years-whatever your opinion on those players, its still a very big investment for a club who hadnt spent 1 mill on a single player before lita
on top of this significant investment in our team we also have a spanking new training ground which is now no longer just a muddy field
we also have a shiny new media centre
by brendywendy » 05 Feb 2008 18:39
Victor MeldrewbrendywendySeal
How do know this is the case? Far too simplistic viewpoint and very naive.
I am annoyed that my increased investment in this club (i.e. rise the cost of EVERYTHING associated with RFC) has not been offset by the promised investment in players, which has quite simply never materialised.
.
wage bill for entire squad doubled, if not more-this is an investment in players, just not new ones
7 million net, spent on new players over the last couple of years-whatever your opinion on those players, its still a very big investment for a club who hadnt spent 1 mill on a single player before lita
on top of this significant investment in our team we also have a spanking new training ground which is now no longer just a muddy field
we also have a shiny new media centre
Regarding your point about Lita I think you forget that we spent nearly a million on players like Caskey,Asaba and Butler when TV money would have been no more than £100,000 in a full year and normally much less compared with £30 million and more now so we have historically spent heavily on players-why not now?
by Cpl Jones Dont panic » 05 Feb 2008 18:59
by Cookie » 05 Feb 2008 19:18
Leamington Royal Excellent post Gus. Sure this forum is one for debate, but in the Stadium we need to be completely behind the team. And against Bolton, the evidence was that it was all too quick to evaporate. How many of us were still at our seats at the final whistle?
But, there are at least 10 good reasons to believe we can turn this round and stay up:
1. Derby, Fulham and Birmingham are all still behind us. They have to do better than us.
2. There are enough teams close in front that a slight edge in form will mean we leapfrog someone else (and if our strong home support delivers an extra point or two to deliver that, then it could make all the difference).
3. The remaining fixtures we have are undoubtedly less difficult than the games since Christmas. And easier than some of our immediate rivals.
4. We have several 6 pointers to play - Fulham, Birmingham, Derby, Wigan, Boro', Newcastle (oh yes)...
5. We have players coming back from the ACON with fresh impetus/ optimism
6. We appear to have made one good signing who can unlock defenses in ways we're not used to (e.g. Marek's excquisite through ball to Kitson should have been buried by Kitson to give us the lead)
7. Oster (love hime or hate him) is back and showed good use of the ball in his short time on the pitch on Saturday. This gives us balance and can only improve if we can squeeze 3-4 games out of Little before the end of the season.
8. We did not lose any first teamers in January.
9. We have only just stumbled across Cisses capabilities at Centre back and the more he plays the more it is likely to have a settling effect on the defence.
10. We still have a tight nit group of players who have played there way out of bad runs before (we have had plenty of 4+ games losing sequences under Coppell and Pardew with essentially this nucleus of players). They (and SC) have the mental strength to get back on track.
We don't need to transform into Villa, City or Everton, we just need to be slightly better than the mediocity around us over the next dozen or so games.
Believe and make the difference in the Madstad!!
by Cookie » 05 Feb 2008 19:25
Cpl Jones Dont panic
over the years Everton, Blackburn, Pompey and West Ham have all stayed up by a tight margin and they learned from mistakes.
by LUX » 05 Feb 2008 19:26
by Cookie » 05 Feb 2008 19:50
by Gus the teenage cow » 05 Feb 2008 20:20
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