The Over-reaction Thread

[brendywendy]

"pretty gay"..."pretty" and "gay"...?...what has sexual orientation got to do with the prospect of Reading getting relegated? (Or is it one of these under 13 year old phrases heard in school playgrounds and from pretentious Radio 1 "DJs" who want to seem hip and trendy in their speech even at the age of 35?)
"but i am intelligent enough"
Clearly not - see above and next comment
"to see that this is probably a question of perspective, and that neither is actually correct"
One of the two views will quite clearly be correct at the end of the season.

the constant exchanging of insults etc on this forum is both pretty and gay, in a flowery happy way.
being relegated, that would just be shit

though i am approaching 35, and am slightly upset that it was so clearly evident that my use of the phrase "pretty gay" was simply in order to appear hip and trendy-

your opinion on my intelligence isnt required,
but your evidence for it seems seems to be some half arsed comments on an internet discussion board, namely the use of the phrase "pretty gay"
which certainly wouldnt be enough to prove it one way or another


and secondly , you believe that me saying "but i am intelligent enough to see that this is probably a question of perspective, and that neither is actually correct " is wrong, thus demonstrating my stupidity.

i on the other hand think that this just demonstrates a certain stupidity of your own-as you seem to have totally missed the point and got a little confused.
since i was talking about the opinions held on both sides that:
"the majority of abuse comes from RTGB / STGB", you saying"One of the two views will quite clearly be correct at the end of the season" makes little sense

i was saying its probably likely that neither are correct, as to a neutral it would appear about equal, and that those who think they are on the wrong end of an unequal abuse quota are probably just suffering from a lack or perspective.

anyway back to the abuse fest......

Fair enough re the second item. I take my comment back!

Yay

and a little bit of peace breaks out on the team board
hopefully our example will be a shining beacon to the rest.........

hang on a minute..... are you a RTG or a STG....i cant abide those other ones

[RoyalBlue]

I would like a list of all the 'I told you so's' on this thread. That they exist in any significant number at all is a fallacy.

I said myself about four posts above that there are about six heavy-duty OTT activists, including yourself, AP, Floyd, Royal Blue and WSF.

Now do what cmonurz said and list the evidence.

And I repeat, I'm pretty sure that the 'six heavy-duty OTT activists' would love the club to be in a position whereby righteous RTGs such as you can be telling us 'I told you so' come the end of the season.

[floyd__streete]

If we stay up (and I accept that that is looking a bit dodgy at the moment) there is going to be a lot of digging up old posts, with around 200 threads to choose from, but about half a dozen posters.....there are about six heavy-duty OTT activists, including yourself, AP, Floyd, Royal Blue and WSF.

Sure, knock yourself out. I'd be too busy drinking myself silly in celebration of the great escape to notice anyway.

[Alan Partridge]

If we stay up (and I accept that that is looking a bit dodgy at the moment) there is going to be a lot of digging up old posts, with around 200 threads to choose from, but about half a dozen posters.....there are about six heavy-duty OTT activists, including yourself, AP, Floyd, Royal Blue and WSF.

Sure, knock yourself out. I'd be too busy drinking myself silly in celebration of the great escape to notice anyway.

LOLux

OTT activists, lovely stuff.

[LUX]

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OTT activists.

copyright.

[Hoop Blah]

If OTT activists means someone willing to speak out and have an opinion against the way we've approached this season and how we're not doing enough to warn off the threat of relegation can someone please tell me where I sign up?

[LUX]

don't worry, you're doing just fine.

[Uke]

I would like a list of all the 'I told you so's' on this thread. That they exist in any significant number at all is a fallacy.

I said myself about four posts above that there are about six heavy-duty OTT activists, including yourself, AP, Floyd, Royal Blue and WSF.

Now do what cmonurz said and list the evidence.

And I repeat, I'm pretty sure that the 'six heavy-duty OTT activists' would love the club to be in a position whereby righteous RTGs such as you can be telling us 'I told you so' come the end of the season.

Surely you cannot have any 'I told you so' comments until the event you told everyone would happen has happened?

Therefore how can Lux list them? There are a good number of RTG 'told you so' opportunities too!

[cmonurz]

If we stay up (and I accept that that is looking a bit dodgy at the moment) there is going to be a lot of digging up old posts, with around 200 threads to choose from, but about half a dozen posters.

Of course what you won't get are the likes of me digging up the posts of say, “2 world wars 1 world cup”, to in some way try to vindicate my points of view. I desperately want us to stay in this division, and at the moment, I don’t think that we will. The fact that I choose to blame this on the management of the club doesn’t make me any less worthy as a fan, nor dent my passion for the club.

If we go down, I will be distraught, and I have concerns as to whether we could bounce back.

A lot of people with a bit of growing up to do imho – the mudslinging is generally on behalf of the “RTGs” who can’t seem to bear concentrated and consistent criticism of their club. Implying that the “STGs” lack passion for this club is very base and simple, and as I said earlier, a complete fallacy.

[Alan Partridge]

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OTT activists.

copyright.

I like it, at least it's original.

[NWL Royal]

YOU are pretty gay

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

It's always the same.

Anyone who in the summer said we might not do as well this season was labbled clueless.

ANyone who thought Sidwell leaving left a massive gap, the same.

Anyone who said Rosenior wasn't a right winger the same.

Anyone who said relying on Fae to be our midfield saviour was a risk, the same.

Sense a pattern?

Us staying up certainly doesn't vindicate what has happen at the club this season.

It should never, ever have been as close as it's going to be.

We will stay up, we still should not be in this position though as it was completly avoidable by doing what we needed to do in the summer, rather than putting are heads in the sand and saying that at least half the league is worse than us.

[Royal Rother]

[Alan Partridge]

About time!

[brendywendy]

a) the transfer activity this window was a total failure and a bad joke
b) jimmy kebe isn't going to save us from relegation and is probably not what most fans wanted

regarding the above points from ideal:simply stating it dont make it so

i cant argue with the good possibility of relegation one

but i do have issues with both of those other statements
1:as it was generally agreed we needed, a CM, a RW, and a CB pre window
and we came away with the 1st two, and realisation dawned about cisse at CB i think we can safely say it was hardly a total failure,in fact it could be argued its almost a ~90% success.

and 2:
jimmy kebe looks quick and skillfull, and could be just what we need,at teh very least we should probably wait till we see him have a couple of games-and no one player will keep anyone up this season, or any other

[brendywendy]

dont want a fight or anything, but....

Anyone who in the summer said we might not do as well this season was labbled clueless.
thats harsh-not everyone did this, maybe one or two, and the same kinda comment was coming back at them at the time, most were realistically happy with bottom half

ANyone who thought Sidwell leaving left a massive gap, the same.
brynn did fill in more than ably for sids last year,whether you like that or not, so it was not unrerasonable to give him a go there in the 1st half of the season, we also bought in two fairly unknown quantities who could also have filled in the gap-so stating it definately would leave a hole was pushing it slightly too. it was perhaps more realistic to say there is a possibility that we will fill the gap, and also that we wouldnt, in equal measure

Anyone who said Rosenior wasn't a right winger the same.-rubbish, everyone knew he was a RB or RWB, many people thought, including coppell ,that he could possibly fill in there when needed, and he wasnt that awful to be fair, and could maybe have improved too with more than 2 games there

Anyone who said relying on Fae to be our midfield saviour was a risk, the same.
-nope, it was the degree of risk we disagreed on, no one said he was definately awesome and would definately play every game, and be player of the season.
plus we were also relying on cisse if fae failed, and brynn



Us struggling certainly doesn't totally vindicate every single thing the STGB said.theyve also said marek was terrible, and that we are definately down.

It should never, ever have been as close as it's going to be.- agree, but the idea that we install ourselves instantly as a perrennial top half prem team wasway outside my predictions, -i was certainly saying id be happy with 17th right from the start

[brendywendy]

1:as it was generally agreed we needed, a CM, a RW, and a CB pre window
and we came away with the 1st two, and realisation dawned about cisse at CB i think we can safely say it was hardly a total failure,in fact it could be argued its almost a ~90% success.

What a joke!
You're saying our transfer activity was a 90% success?!?
We needed a defensive midfielder - we bought an attacking midfielder. We had an attacking midfielder from before who was doing really well, James Harper. We were missing a defensive midfielder after losing Sidwell to Chelsea. So in that respect what was bought was not what we really needed. It's like bleeding from your arm, and then putting the bandaid on your leg. It just won't work.

nope, learn your mathmatical symbols!

im saying almost around 90% which is different
and i also said "it could be argued" not "it is definately and this is how i feel."
also: sids was a box to box player, having both attacking and defensive attributes, as has harps
also: if Jimmy kebe is a right winger, then we have at least brought in one player in a position we needed, therefore "a total failure" is still pushing it, even if he isnt very good,

[Xavier Onassis]

Oster is nothing like as bad as you say. Like many of our players, he's serviceable without being great. I'd agree that what we needed were players who were better than we've got, not more of the same, and in that respect you can't count Kebe as a positive move unless and until he proves he's the next Glen Little.

[brendywendy]

also: sids was a box to box player, having both attacking and defensive attributes, as has harps

Harper is not a defensive midfielder and you know it. His primary strength is forward runs into the box, and his tackling is basicly just physically getting in the way, not really tackling in the Phil Parkinson sense of it.
Sidwell on the other hand was tall, a strong header, and actually throws himself to the ground and sticks his foot out when he tackles, unlike Harper who just gets his body in the way and holds.
The fact that Sidwell was physically able to run into the box does not make him an AMC and you know it. He was doing the defensive duties in midfield, and everybody knows that. Someone posted that Sidwell actually had the most fouls in the league last season. Says a lot really.

As for Harper having defensive attributes, well.. I can't see many agreeing there. He just can't tackle very well.

also: if Jimmy kebe is a right winger, then we have at least brought in one player in a position we needed, therefore "a total failure" is still pushing it, even if he isnt very good,

But we already had a crap one - Oster. Why get another?
Add to that Kebe thinks he's a left winger, has been injured and will be off the pace...etc. If we weren't going to sign anyone worthwhile then we should have given Henry a chance to prove his worth, can't do much worse than Oster anyhow.

everyone, including copps and sidwell said sids was box to box
so they both think he was not a defensive midfielder-his most shots last season points to that on its own.

harper does have defensive attributes,though admittedly not tackling-his general harrying for instance
but they both shared the duties in both areas last season, one going forward, one staying back equally-if anything sids got forward more than harper

the most fouls point is a goodun, IMO its sidwells innoccuous fouls that we have missed the most
they broke up the play and allowed the rest of the team to get in position-we do really miss that-he hardly ever got booked for them either

and as for the last point about kebe-even if that were true, (and until he has played a couple of games we wont "know")
it still wouldnt mean our transfers werent a "total" failure i.e 0% success
he is still a RW, and marek is still adding to our squad in an area we needed to

yet again the argumnet between suppossed sides is a question of semantics
i dont totally disagree with what you say, just with your degree of certainty

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

also: sids was a box to box player, having both attacking and defensive attributes, as has harps

Harper is not a defensive midfielder and you know it. His primary strength is forward runs into the box, and his tackling is basicly just physically getting in the way, not really tackling in the Phil Parkinson sense of it.
Sidwell on the other hand was tall, a strong header, and actually throws himself to the ground and sticks his foot out when he tackles, unlike Harper who just gets his body in the way and holds.
The fact that Sidwell was physically able to run into the box does not make him an AMC and you know it. He was doing the defensive duties in midfield, and everybody knows that. Someone posted that Sidwell actually had the most fouls in the league last season. Says a lot really.

As for Harper having defensive attributes, well.. I can't see many agreeing there. He just can't tackle very well.

also: if Jimmy kebe is a right winger, then we have at least brought in one player in a position we needed, therefore "a total failure" is still pushing it, even if he isnt very good,

But we already had a crap one - Oster. Why get another?
Add to that Kebe thinks he's a left winger, has been injured and will be off the pace...etc. If we weren't going to sign anyone worthwhile then we should have given Henry a chance to prove his worth, can't do much worse than Oster anyhow.

everyone, including copps and sidwell said sids was box to box
so they both think he was not a defensive midfielder-his most shots last season points to that on its own.

harper does have defensive attributes,though admittedly not tackling-his general harrying for instance
but they both shared the duties in both areas last season, one going forward, one staying back equally-if anything sids got forward more than harper

the most fouls point is a goodun, IMO its sidwells innoccuous fouls that we have missed the most
they broke up the play and allowed the rest of the team to get in position-we do really miss that-he hardly ever got booked for them either

and as for the last point about kebe-even if that were true, (and until he has played a couple of games we wont "know")
it still wouldnt mean our transfers werent a "total" failure i.e 0% success
he is still a RW, and marek is still adding to our squad in an area we needed to

yet again the argumnet between suppossed sides is a question of semantics
i dont totally disagree with what you say, just with your degree of certainty

Sid gave the side a spine which none of our current midfielders too.

Imo all our problems this season can be traced back to our lack of spine in midfield. It's the little things that we miss most, the tracking back and picking up of players, the breaking down of opponents attacks. Our defense would not look half as bad if we'd sorted out the midfield and they've had a year and a half to do it!!