korean youngsters

[Archie's penalty]

I take great exception to your post, Ideal. My partner, who is pregnant with my child, is a French-speaking African (who, incidentally, has seen probably more Reading games than you) and for you to classify her as a waster is about as insulting and racist as you can get. If you're going to carry on your ridiculous tirade against Fae, OK, but to say that he is rubbish (I don't know how you've managed to form that opinion) simply because he's a 'French African' is crazy. I spent some time in Oslo, and the Norwegians didn't strike me as being particularly racist. Maybe you're just the exception that proves the rule.

I don't think Ideal is saying that French Africans are wasters, simply that we have signed some French African wasters. I think waster is a poor choice of word in this context. They may or may not be poor footballers but we have seen nothing to suggest that they don't want to do well. I would like to see Fae given more first team opportunites now but if someone else thinks he is a waste of space I wouldn't call that a racist view.

What do you think about Sonko, Bikey and Cisse then? The point is only Fae has really disappointed. If that is the case say it. The others have been (relatively) good...

[Archie's penalty]

to say that he is rubbish (I don't know how you've managed to form that opinion) simply because he's a 'French African' is crazy.

If you don't understand that Fae has been a MASSIVE FAILURE then you really don't understand much. It's way too easy for you to just go and shout "racism!", when the fact is that Fae cost us £2.5M and has delivered exactly ZERO in terms of performance, so by definition he is a total failure, what a total loss! We'd have gotten more use of that money if we had wiped our arses with it!!!
He has been with the club for 9 months and has achieved exactly NOTHING, has contributed NOTHING, he is getting paid well yet doing NOTHING of importance, will we be able to sell him for the same fee as we paid? Probably not. So to sum it all up: Fae is so shit he couldn't get into the team despite lack of midfielders, there doesn't seem to be any indication that he will ever get into the team, he cost £2.5M and we will never see that money again.
We would have been better off spending that money on someone from the lower divisions, perhaps even two or three players, and that's a fact! Even a 35 year old Keith Gillespie would have been a better signing!

I think you and your pregnant woman should think about other things, such as perhaps the impending arrival of your child, rather than sitting around on message boards acting all PC-hysterical.
If all it takes for you to call out "racism!" in blind hysteria, is that I think Fae is a fcuking useless waster, then you should really have a long hard look at how often you play the "racism" card, I would think you would have heard of the little boy who cried wolf, so in the future perhaps you should use it sparingly and only when it is called for.

Racist!

[Archie's penalty]

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

I agree. Also, why do we keep buying these french africans when there are obvious bargains in the lower divisions?
Wolves signed David Edwards from Luton for abouit £250k in january, and he only took eight minutes to score his first goal for them.
Seems to be a huge success for them, unlike a certain Emerse Fae has been for us.
Why can't we make signings like that, instead of these french african wasters?

You clearly use 'French African Wasters' in the plural. Who are our other French African Wasters? If you mean Fae then say him...

I hope Fae comes in and scores a great goal just to shut you up Ideal...

[Hampshire Royal]

Ideal, I'm white and English and personally have never had racism directed at me. I've been with my partner for about three years and have heard and seen a lot of racism directed at her. It's not all as obvious as people saying that she is a waster because she's African or French-speaking, but it manifests itself in lots of subtle ways. I won't bore anyone here with the methods of the blind and bigotted, but I'm sure you know what I mean. Suffice it to say that stereotyping people because (for example) they happen to be black or French-speaking is at the heart of all of them.

I know the ridiculous stance you've taken against Fae, and would perfectly well accept your argument if you said that HE is a waster (IMHO he's not). But to end your tirade saying that we shouldn't waste money on French-African wasters, rather than on Fae personally is racism of the highest order. By your argument we wouldn't have signed Bikey, Sonko or Cisse or (if we ever had the chance) Adebayour or Drogba - both of whom had poor first seasons with their clubs.

And yes, Ideal, I think a great deal about the impending arrival of my child and am more excited about it than you could possibly imagine, as is my 'woman'. The only downside to the whole thing is that it more than likely that she will have a skin colouring that will show that she has at least one black parent (the fact that she is being looked after by a black woman could probably be acceptable because, after all, even French-speaking Africans have their role in life and being a Nanny to an English child is about as much as she could aspire to in the world of the racist). The fact that she is half-English and as much my child as all my other (100% white) children are, will mean nothing to the scum who will just see her black face and instantly make their minds up about what kind of person she is without actually having taken the trouble to get to know her, or find out what she can do. Sound familiar, Ideal?

[Broxroyal]

I take great exception to your post, Ideal. My partner, who is pregnant with my child, is a French-speaking African (who, incidentally, has seen probably more Reading games than you) and for you to classify her as a waster is about as insulting and racist as you can get. If you're going to carry on your ridiculous tirade against Fae, OK, but to say that he is rubbish (I don't know how you've managed to form that opinion) simply because he's a 'French African' is crazy. I spent some time in Oslo, and the Norwegians didn't strike me as being particularly racist. Maybe you're just the exception that proves the rule.

I don't think Ideal is saying that French Africans are wasters, simply that we have signed some French African wasters. I think waster is a poor choice of word in this context. They may or may not be poor footballers but we have seen nothing to suggest that they don't want to do well. I would like to see Fae given more first team opportunites now but if someone else thinks he is a waste of space I wouldn't call that a racist view.

What do you think about Sonko, Bikey and Cisse then? The point is only Fae has really disappointed. If that is the case say it. The others have been (relatively) good...

Well if you are really interested.... I'm a big fan of Sonko, definitely a wholehearted player. A lot of people on this board were calling him a liability a few weeks ago when his form was poor. I didn't join in with that because I think it takes longer than people realise to get match sharp after a very long injury. He did need to be rested from the team and the ACON probably did us a favour in his case. Bikey is wholehearted but frightens the life out of me because he is so erratic. Cisse was poor in midfield but has been outstanding in defence. I can actually see the potential in Fae and would like to see him given more games. I don't agree with Ideal's assessment of him (although many people do) but I don't think racism is the issue here.
For the record I'm a middle-aged white man with a non-white wife and son.

[Cookie]

Anyway, seems like the young Korean recruits are improving nicely.

[MartinRdg]

From the brief times I have seen Fae, he looks classy but not up to the pace of the English game.

I do hope that gets up to speed as, I agree, he is a waste of space at the moment. I will not make a comment on his race or country of origin. Every foreign player is a gamble. Matejovsky is/was a gamble. At the moment, it looks like that gamble has paid off - it may not have done.

If Fae turns out to be a great player next year then it will be wonderful and I hope that happens.

[Hampshire Royal]

Rather than spend more time debating with these ridiculous PC-hysterics, I would like to discuss the question posed earlier:

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

Why don't we?

No, the original question was about the Korean yougsters!!

The reason why we don't invest in English young players is the same reason why every other Prem club doesn't - there aren't many around. The bloke you suugested we should have signed, you know the one who plays for CCC Wolves and scored in his debut against the mighty Scunthorpe isn't English - he's Welsh. That's like someone saying a Norwegian is Swedish.

Not 'ridiculous' PC-hysterics, simply the ridiculous reality of the situation in a racist World.

Fool!!

[Cookie]

Good to see they have been granted permission to play in the U18 league..and even better to see one of them scored on debut

Also was interested to read that Hunty rates Nam Taehee as one of the best young prospects he has ever seen

I know it’s a bummer when one our most expensive recruits falls so far below expectations, especially when we have been stalking him for more than two seasons.

But the original poster was talking about a subject that doesn’t get aired on here very much. And there must be loads of threads where we can bang on about Fae.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

Because the best English players end up in the big teams academies.

Plus we've got a serious lack of depth with young English talent.

Also the way the compensation rules are with English players it is just cheaper to get someone from Bulgaria, Iceland, Ireland, Australia etc...

[M U R T Y]

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

I agree. Also, why do we keep buying these french africans when there are obvious bargains in the lower divisions?
Wolves signed David Edwards from Luton for abouit £250k in january, and he only took eight minutes to score his first goal for them.
Seems to be a huge success for them, unlike a certain Emerse Fae has been for us.
Why can't we make signings like that, instead of these french african wasters?

Because the championship is rubbish, surely you are joking? So Fae doesn't settle in his first season, give him a chance and stop being so narrow minded

[M U R T Y]

Rather than spend more time debating with these ridiculous PC-hysterics, I would like to discuss the question posed earlier:

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

Why don't we?

We do and have done for oxford years you jumped up moron

[Broxroyal]

Rather than spend more time debating with these ridiculous PC-hysterics, I would like to discuss the question posed earlier:

What beats me is...
Why don't we invest more in English young players.

Why don't we?

We do and have done for oxford years you jumped up moron

No. We invest what we invest. The question is why don't we invest more (in English young players)? You might think we invest to the right level so shouldn't do more; that's something that could be debated for hours.

Good answer from Smoking Kills, a couple of posts above.

[Hampshire Royal]

It depends on many things. My brother and sister were born in Germany, it doesn't make them German. My daughter will be born in Switzerland, it won't make her Swiss.

I fail to see the point you're so eloquently trying to make.

[BR2]

Having just trawled through this heated stuff on a cold and frosty morning can I add a bit which hopefully will not be perceived as racist.
With Bikey ,Cisse and Fae either taking their time to adjust to English football or actually not being very good in the positions we were led to believe were their specialities do we have to accept that lazy or industrious Africans or Koreans or players from the French league need ages to adjust?
Coppell said that he wouldn't be buying any players from foreign leagues in January because he felt that they would take too long to bed in,so what does he do?
He buys 2 foreign players.

I agree with HR that Drogba and Adebayor are outstanding examples of players that progress in their second season as has Benjani but there are others like Shevchenko,Reyes and Sissoko that have deteriorated for whatever reasons and probably never adjust to the English game-Boumsong,Rozenhal and many others have been regarded as top players in other leagues but look like novices in ours.

I like the idea of having young and unproven Koreans,Africans,Bulgarians etc because there is a chance that they can grow into the English game like the Arsenal boys but for a club like ours to go shopping for middle-of-the-road foreign players like Bikey,Cisse,Fae and so on is just as risky a policy as buying players from the lower leagues here.
BTW there are some bloody lazy English players as well as some seemingly lazy foreign ones.

[semtex1871]

It got eaten by a dog.

this comment was okay then? didn't attract such huge attention from Hampshire Royal!!! maybe if his partner who is pregnant with his child was korean!!!!!!

[Hampshire Royal]

I thought it was quite funny. I'm not the PC moron I've been painted on here. When I was in Kuwait I ate dog in a Korean restaurant, it was Ok, nothing special. I've also eaten horse in both Switzerland and France. Now that is lovely.

There's a big difference between using racial stereotypes to put down a group of people and talking about something that is very much part of their culture. You wouldn't put the Irish down for drinking Guinness or eating potatoes, for example, but to say that they're thick because they're Irish is something else entirely.

I'm sorry that a) people didn't understand the implicit racism in Ideal's post or that b) my reaction to it was seen as some to be a knee-jerk PC-type reaction.

When I lived in Southend, my son had to go into hospital for an operation and I stayed overnight with him. In the same ward were other parents in the same boat. One of the parents was talking and said 'It's Political Correctness gone mad, you can't even call them Coons any more'. Now, that is quite funny. Unfortunately the joke was on the bloke that said it.

[Archie's penalty]

I thought it was quite funny. I'm not the PC moron I've been painted on here. When I was in Kuwait I ate dog in a Korean restaurant, it was Ok, nothing special. I've also eaten horse in both Switzerland and France. Now that is lovely.

There's a big difference between using racial stereotypes to put down a group of people and talking about something that is very much part of their culture. You wouldn't put the Irish down for drinking Guinness or eating potatoes, for example, but to say that they're thick because they're Irish is something else entirely.

I'm sorry that a) people didn't understand the implicit racism in Ideal's post or that b) my reaction to it was seen as some to be a knee-jerk PC-type reaction.

When I lived in Southend, my son had to go into hospital for an operation and I stayed overnight with him. In the same ward were other parents in the same boat. One of the parents was talking and said 'It's Political Correctness gone mad, you can't even call them Coons any more'. Now, that is quite funny. Unfortunately the joke was on the bloke that said it.

I think a lot of us know exactly what you are talking about. Most people on here don't even want to engage with the ravings of people like Ideal. You can keep arguing with people like that until you're blue in the face. They're not going to change. As long as you know what's right that's the main thing. HTH.

[Hampshire Royal]

Thanks for that, Archie. In any case he's a Norwegian. I was on a course once where everyone came from different European countries (Germany, Holland, Finland, Turkey and Norway). If I was to form my opinion of nationalities from the people on that course, I'd say that Germans and Dutch are all good people to have a night out with; the Finns are all International-class drinkers; the Turks are all polite and quite intelligent. There were two Norwegians on the course: the woman was dull and boring and the man was dressed in a sixties style of clothing with a black polo-neck sweater and, as you do on these courses when everyone introduced themselves to the group, he stood up, stuck his head in the air and looked just like Peter Sellars when he introduced himself.
Now, he may have been joking, I hope so because it was very, very funny. That, of course, is not to say that all Norwegians are that ridiculous. Maybe just him and Ideal. In fact I worked for a while in Norway and found the people to be not much different to other people in the World.

[winchester_royal]

good to see this thread has stayed so wonderfully on topic