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Re: Coppell Out

by North Somerset Royal » 24 Feb 2008 23:27

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North Somerset Royal Yes that is right. My personal view is that JM is happy to spend money on that sort of thing as it increases the fixed assets and thereby the value of his shares. Money spent on buying a player does reflect in a balance sheet asset but depending on the players age etc may have to be written off over the contract period if they on a Bosman or become worth less because of age. Also their wages certainly do have to be written off against profits and therefore have a negative effect on the share value. If I was JM therefore I would be happier spending money on media suites than players.
Reading FC isn't a publicly traded company so share values are completely at the discretion of John Madejski - adding assets or making losses doesn't drive the share price up or down.

Unless JM is immensely stupid, which seems unlikely, he knows full well that a Reading in the premiership is worth far more than one in the championship that has an extra building or two that can be called an asset.

And has been pointed out, having that media suite was a prerequisite of admission to the premiership. It wasn't something he wanted to build, and it also wouldn't be much of an asset as it doesn't generate any income, nor add any real value to the property.


Whilst it is true that the holder of the shares in an unquoted company can ask as little or as much as they like for them in all cases an independant valuation will be sought by the prospective purchaser. There is an approved method of valuation used by HM Revenue & Customs shares valuation division which is basically based on the assets less liabilities plus a multiple of average annual income and the negotiating margins are in fact quite limited as they relate mainly to intangibles such as goodwill etc. The higher level of receipts in the premier league is therefore a factor but unlike fixed assets would not be regarded as certain enough in terms of future earning potential to effect the value that much.

Anyhow my views on motives are speculative and of little value. The main point I was really making was that its pointless for people to ask why the £6m
was not spent on players as the fact that there was a surplus in the profit and loss account does not mean that it has not already been appropriated to acquire assets. Without seeing the whole accounts including the balance sheet it is impossible to say what amounts were available to fund player acquisition. Even If we had spent £100m on players it would not have altered the profit only the assets in the balance sheet. If we had cash in the bank to pay the £100m then the reduction in the bank balance would be balanced by the asset of players worth £100m. If not then there would be a liability for a loan of £100m contrad to the asset.

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Re: Coppell Out

by Tredder » 24 Feb 2008 23:43

Listen people, at least you get a great day out to the LOFT season.

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by Forest Gump » 24 Feb 2008 23:47

I think realistically he won't be fired even if we lose the next game. However, if we lose the nest two games I think he will resign.

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by Scarface » 25 Feb 2008 10:59

If we lose at Boro and then at Home to City,then he has to be sacked for 10 straight defeats. We desperately need to stay in this division and even if we get in someone short term that might just give us the lift we need. After the last 2 games it seems obvious to me that confidence is shot, the team aren't fighting for each other and Coppell has run out of ideas.

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by andrew1957 » 25 Feb 2008 11:11

I find it unbelievable that any so called Reading fan would want Coppell sacked. After what SC has done for the club if we do sack him we will deserve to go down and never see the PL again.


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by Big Ern » 25 Feb 2008 11:14

andrew1957 I find it unbelievable that any so called Reading fan would want Coppell sacked. After what SC has done for the club if we do sack him we will deserve to go down and never see the PL again.


Sounds a bit harsh to be honest

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by Vision » 25 Feb 2008 11:29

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andrew1957 I find it unbelievable that any so called Reading fan would want Coppell sacked. After what SC has done for the club if we do sack him we will deserve to go down and never see the PL again.


Sounds a bit harsh to be honest

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by andrew1957 » 25 Feb 2008 11:59

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andrew1957 I find it unbelievable that any so called Reading fan would want Coppell sacked. After what SC has done for the club if we do sack him we will deserve to go down and never see the PL again.


Sounds a bit harsh to be honest

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This whole board is an overreaction thread. Including this post.


There is no chance of Mr Mad sacking SC anyway - and nor should he.

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Re: Coppell Out

by rfc58 » 25 Feb 2008 12:18

I can see both sides here, any team that loses so many games needs to look inwards at what is going on, but I thing SC is THE reason we are currently in the PL.

He turned some average players into a quality side who "over-achieved" each week by having the "we will NOT lose" mentality.

If, and I do mean IF, there is a wage cap at the cup that makes survival virtually impossible, I would be disappointed in SC for not calling JM's bluff by threatening to quit, as if SC had walked out at any time in the last 12 months, the fans would be asking some serious questions to JM, and he would have to listen, as without the paying public, JM and RFC would be no more.

If I am totally honest, I have become totally disalussioned with football. When I watched the club play 3rd and 4th Division football week in, week out, I never expected much more, always hoped for better times, but never really expected it, but when you get to see your team reach the top flight, its depressing to see the club float back to where we've just come from (if we sink this season), when I believe a more forward thinking chairman might have given us a better chance, that's making the assumption that wages is the main stumbling block.

I would never advocate doing a leeds and throwing millions at survival, but if we could have got say a Matty Taylor/Gary Cahill etc, then it would have shown other potential players of proven prem class we do mean business.

But hey ho, the sun is shining....


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by westendgirl » 25 Feb 2008 12:20

Royal Lady Gooding repeatedly mentions the money constraints on BBC Radio Berkshire.


I hold no brief for JM but when Gooding was manager JM had not sold Autotrader so I suspect the money on offer was very different.

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Re: Coppell Out

by Only one Trevor Morley » 25 Feb 2008 12:25

Given you're not going to be attending next season Royalee, I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about it.

Just for interest who would you put in charge?

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Re: Coppell Out

by RoyalBlue » 25 Feb 2008 12:48

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Royal Lady Gooding repeatedly mentions the money constraints on BBC Radio Berkshire.


I hold no brief for JM but when Gooding was manager JM had not sold Autotrader so I suspect the money on offer was very different.


Even before selling Autotrader he was still a very wealthy individual.

However, whenever I have heard Mick Gooding talking about some of the difficulties of working for JM, he hasn't particularly moaned about the amount of money available but rather the fact that JM would never tell MG & JQ what budget they had for players (in terms of fees and wages). This made it very difficult for them to determine how to cut their cloth when putting together their squad.

It might sound great when a chairman says 'there is money available for players, you just have to come and make a case for it' but without any guidelines as to how much, what type of player(s) do you go to try to make a case for.

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Re: Coppell Out

by Tilehurst Mike » 25 Feb 2008 12:56

He's stale and past his sell by date now. Any manager losing 8 on the spin would have proabably beem shown the door by now. Tactics deplorable (Cisse is not a centre back), some abysmal signings of late. His latest statement that he may need to change things around as he has been too loyal to his 'championship players' is about eight games too late.
We are losing at home and bring on a centre back and don't have a guy who has scored 5 goals in two reserve games on the bench. Watching Megson and O'Neill motivate their team from the sidelines is exactyly what we need--not a guy who just stands there with a clueless look on his face!!


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Re: Coppell Out

by emmer green dave » 25 Feb 2008 13:12

The problem is JM will not pay more than £25K when £30k will get better players.We have a ceiling on transfers which will see us in Championship mid table.it seems he wants to sell club so with Sky money un-spent it looks a good deal as the assets will include cash in bank plus land we have for development plus planning to increase stadium.I would think that's a lot more than clubs our size can offer.Keep Cops let JM retire to his big home.

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Re: Coppell Out

by dogmark01 » 25 Feb 2008 13:25

In all fairness royalee does spark a few ideas but the way he put them accross just makes him look like a cock.

We are a small time club tryin to play in the big league , players do not want to come here becouse of us playing championship wages.
We could have 30 million to spend on players but when w try to sign them they will not sign for the ££ we are offering, this is why sidwell left , and a few of our present players will leave.
This is not coppells fault , it is a management problem , howe , madejski.
The stadium expansion is going to be put on hold , we will expand if we get in the premiership we were told, will extend if we stay in the premiership we were told, we will not extend as we may go down we now have been told.
This is not coppells fault ?? is it??
Seems to be a pattern forming here???
Last season we stayed up , had a marvelous season , over achived.
Coppell has been by far the best manager we have ever had and it would be silly to get rid of him.
Who is better for the money howe / madejski will want to pay???

Small time big ideas.

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Re: Coppell Out

by Stranded » 25 Feb 2008 13:36

It's amazing isn't it, Coppell's demeanour has never changed at this club whether we've been doing well or poorly. It's never a problem when we're winning but as soon as we hit a bad spell it's the root of all evil, he's lost it, he can't motivate the team etc...

Coppell is who he is and acts as he does, he always will whether we win or lose. For my money, the only way we can stay up is by sticking with him. Any new manager coming in wouldn't be in place until the Man City game at the earliest giving him precious little time to have any effect.

I also believe that the stats show that historically a change of manager has little if any effect on a side mid/late season.

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by Archie's penalty » 25 Feb 2008 13:40

Stranded It's amazing isn't Coppell's demeanour has never changed at this club whether we've been doing well or poorly. It's never a problem when we're winning but as soon as we hit a bad spell it's the root of all evil, he's lost it, he can't motivate the team etc...

Coppell is who he is and acts as he does, he always will whether we win or lose. For my money, the only way we can stay up is by sticking with him. Any new manager coming in wouldn't be in place until the Man City game at the earliest giving him precious little time to have any effect.

I also believe that the stats show that historically a change of manager has little if any effect on a side mid/late season.


I agree completely Stranded. I also agree with someone who said earlier that if we lose a couple more on the bounce he will resign.

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by Hampshire Royal » 25 Feb 2008 13:43

rfc58 but if we could have got say a Matty Taylor/Gary Cahill etc, then it would have shown other potential players of proven prem class we do mean business.

But hey ho, the sun is shining....


Or maybe not. The last time we let in 4 goals in a game was before the transfer window. The last time Bolton let in 4 goals (before Saturday) was before the transfer window. Taylor did not play well on Saturday, Cahill gave away a penalty, otherwise playing tolerably well, but still part of a defence that let in 4 goals for the first time since December.

Why do people think that any player with Prem experience will add quality to the squad? In the case of the two mentioned, this is clearly not the case. Bolton are a whole 3 points above us in the table!!

Will we go down? I don't know. It looks bad at the moment, and it's looking like we might. But, being a Reading fan, I prefer to believe that until it is mathematically certain that we are relegated, we will be staying up. While there's life there's hope and all that.

However, if we do stay up then maybe next season we'll find the real problems happening.

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Re: Coppell Out

by Ozymandias » 25 Feb 2008 13:43

You have to put it in perspective, we may go down this year, may not.

We are building the foundations of the club for the future, and taking our time doing it. We will have, in a few years, the stadium expansion, the proper communication routes for the stadium, and a team to hold ourselves in the premiership. Between then and now we may go down, come up, go down, come up again, but we will get there.

Marathon not a sprint.

SC will resign at the end of the season, "taken the team as far as he can" - shame, but there you go.
JM won't resign at the end of the season.

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by Archie's penalty » 25 Feb 2008 13:44

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rfc58 but if we could have got say a Matty Taylor/Gary Cahill etc, then it would have shown other potential players of proven prem class we do mean business.

But hey ho, the sun is shining....


Or maybe not. The last time we let in 4 goals in a game was before the transfer window. The last time Bolton let in 4 goals (before Saturday) was before the transfer window. Taylor did not play well on Saturday, Cahill gave away a penalty, otherwise playing tolerably well, but still part of a defence that let in 4 goals for the first time since December.

Why do people think that any player with Prem experience will add quality to the squad? In the case of the two mentioned, this is clearly not the case. Bolton are a whole 3 points above us in the table!!

Will we go down? I don't know. It looks bad at the moment, and it's looking like we might. But, being a Reading fan, I prefer to believe that until it is mathematically certain that we are relegated, we will be staying up. While there's life there's hope and all that.

However, if we do stay up then maybe next season we'll find the real problems happening.


I shudder to think of the losses we would have next season if we stayed up playing like this. However if we stay up we have to improve and hopefully that would carry through to our performances next year...

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