Shorey - How much will he go for?

[Thaumagurist*]

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[rhroyal]

I think we should all remember the price for English players is always inflated. Andy Johnson for £8.5 mill anyone? Likewise £5.5mill for Heskey has turned out to be a good deal but at the time Heskey was at the lowest point of his career and we were all laughing at Wigan. If you want a decent English player prepared to be ripped off, hopefully we can do the same here.

[Fezza]

I never said he played well all season, I was just pointing that he did do some good work last season.

And I don't think him not performing to his usual standard was the reason we conceded so many or the reason we got relegated. But if you are looking for a scapegoat.......

My "scapegoat" was Coppell - but not many agreed with me about his dithering. Needless to say he is a very good manager at Championship level. Shorey was letharic all season and it is of constant surprise to me that DLC didn't get a look in.

Personally I think we will be lucky to get £3 million for him. Out of interest how much of this do the O's get?

[Ian Royal]

the chairman saying we are short of money is frankly rubbish, we've had 2 years worth of tv money, nearly 3 playing to crowds large enough to make a profit, not to mention all the extra money from hospitality and advertisements and we've hardly spent a very much in our two years in the top flight. oh and we're getting a cool £11,OOO,OOO just for being relegated.

thats the kinda attitude that puts teams like Leeds, Southampton, Leicester, etc where they are today

Forget other clubs. All you need to do to realise what a ridiculous statement it is, is to point out that amount covers about half of our current player wage bill. Last couple of years profit go some way to offsetting the previous 10 years losses, or do people think that just goes away and Mr Mad doesn't have a right to recoup a little of his money?

We ran at a loss every season we were in the Championship as I recall, even the promotion year. That means this next season is very likely to be a loss as well. Especially with a massive wage budget for the championship. The parachute payment isn't there because it allows clubs to spend millions and go back up, it's there to allow clubs to cope with their super inflated wages and not go bust within a year or two.

[Denver Royal]

If we aren't going to get much for him, I think we should consider keeping Shorey and let him play out the final year of his contract.

Many said that was the mistake we made with Sids, but I'm not sure it was. It meant we got to use Sids for our (crucial) first season in the Premiership.

If we're serious about going straight back up this season, then we could do worse than have Shorey on board.

And then if we do go up to the Premiership , the 2mil we could have got for him won't be as significant.

[Ian Royal]

If we aren't going to get much for him, I think we should consider keeping Shorey and let him play out the final year of his contract.

Many said that was the mistake we made with Sids, but I'm not sure it was. It meant we got to use Sids for our (crucial) first season in the Premiership.

If we're serious about going straight back up this season, then we could do worse than have Shorey on board.

And then if we do go up to the Premiership , the 2mil we could have got for him won't be as significant.

Sids was happy to stay and play out his contract, to put in good performances and attract a big team.
Shorey has wanted away for some time and has already been in poor form because of it, that will only get worse in the championship. The only thing we should do if we can't get more than £1.5m for him is make him rot on gardening leave. We'll see who wants him after a year without first team football and no professional training.

[Huntley & Palmer]

I never said he played well all season, I was just pointing that he did do some good work last season.

And I don't think him not performing to his usual standard was the reason we conceded so many or the reason we got relegated. But if you are looking for a scapegoat.......

My "scapegoat" was Coppell - but not many agreed with me about his dithering. Needless to say he is a very good manager at Championship level. Shorey was letharic all season and it is of constant surprise to me that DLC didn't get a look in.

Personally I think we will be lucky to get £3 million for him. Out of interest how much of this do the O's get?

I'd imagine nothing as he would have signed a new contract since he has been with us? Unless the clause transferred over

[allwite123]

If we aren't going to get much for him, I think we should consider keeping Shorey and let him play out the final year of his contract.

Many said that was the mistake we made with Sids, but I'm not sure it was. It meant we got to use Sids for our (crucial) first season in the Premiership.

If we're serious about going straight back up this season, then we could do worse than have Shorey on board.

And then if we do go up to the Premiership , the 2mil we could have got for him won't be as significant.

to a certain extent i agree with this. I think the thing that reading fans didnt like about the whole sidwell situation was that we didnt get a penny for someone a season earlier who was valued at 3-5 mil. So why do the same when it comes to shorey. He has made it quite clear that he doesnt want to be here. Also can a championship club really keep a player worth 28k a week??? Sell him get the money!!!!

[Ian Royal]

I never said he played well all season, I was just pointing that he did do some good work last season.

And I don't think him not performing to his usual standard was the reason we conceded so many or the reason we got relegated. But if you are looking for a scapegoat.......

My "scapegoat" was Coppell - but not many agreed with me about his dithering. Needless to say he is a very good manager at Championship level. Shorey was letharic all season and it is of constant surprise to me that DLC didn't get a look in.

Personally I think we will be lucky to get £3 million for him. Out of interest how much of this do the O's get?

I'd imagine nothing as he would have signed a new contract since he has been with us? Unless the clause transferred over

That's the trick we tried with Murty isn't it?

[Platypuss]

Personally I think we will be lucky to get £3 million for him. Out of interest how much of this do the O's get?

I'd imagine nothing as he would have signed a new contract since he has been with us? Unless the clause transferred over

That's the Murty fallacy we tried (and failed with) before

How can us having a new contract with Shorey affect the existing contract we have with Leyton O?

[Huntley & Palmer]

Yep, we refused to pay the 50k clause York had in his original contract if he was promoted to the Championship while with us. We contested it based on the fact that he signed a new contract before this happened thus rendering the clause null and void. York were going to go the FA for arbitration but we settled with them for an undisclosed fee.

I don't know if we would try it again

[Ian Royal]

Yep, we refused to pay the 50k clause York had in his original contract if he was promoted to the Championship while with us. We contested it based on the fact that he signed a new contract before this happened thus rendering the clause null and void. York were going to go the FA for arbitration but we settled with them for an undisclosed fee.

I don't know if we would try it again

I'd rather we didn't. I think of transfer deals as very seperate to contract deals. Otherwise all clubs could just get out of clauses by offering the player a new contract a week after he'd signed. Fair enough put a time limit on a clause. Anything else strikes me as underhand. That is one thing that this club usually avoids.

[Huntley & Palmer]

'greed. Though knowing RFC, we would let Shorey's contract run down to nothing so we didn't have to pay out

[Denver Royal]

If we aren't going to get much for him, I think we should consider keeping Shorey and let him play out the final year of his contract.

Many said that was the mistake we made with Sids, but I'm not sure it was. It meant we got to use Sids for our (crucial) first season in the Premiership.

If we're serious about going straight back up this season, then we could do worse than have Shorey on board.

And then if we do go up to the Premiership , the 2mil we could have got for him won't be as significant.

to a certain extent i agree with this. I think the thing that reading fans didnt like about the whole sidwell situation was that we didnt get a penny for someone a season earlier who was valued at 3-5 mil. So why do the same when it comes to shorey. He has made it quite clear that he doesnt want to be here. Also can a championship club really keep a player worth 28k a week??? Sell him get the money!!!!

Shorey can say whatever he wants but at the end of the day he's a pro and, if required, he'll have to see out the contract that he signed and I wouldn't necessarily assume that he would intentionally 'play crap' this season because of it.

[Huntley & Palmer]

Why not? Plenty of other players have done so to force the hand of the club that they are contracted to. I seem to remember a certain player we signed threatning to go on strike if his club didn't release him

[RoyalBlue]

Why not? Plenty of other players have done so to force the hand of the club that they are contracted to. I seem to remember a certain player we signed threatning to go on strike if his club didn't release him

IIRC a certain Mr Anelka also held one of his clubs to ransome until they released him. The game bit him back last night though!

[Denver Royal]

Why not? Plenty of other players have done so to force the hand of the club that they are contracted to. I seem to remember a certain player we signed threatning to go on strike if his club didn't release him

You think Shorey is refusing to play for us this coming season?

[Huntley & Palmer]

I think you will find Shorey getting his agent to engineer a move away from the club in any way possible. I can't see how we can afford to play hard ball with any club with his wage level sat on our books and a need to replace him at the end of next season regardless.

[Leamington Royal]

If Shorey was disenchanted in the PL he's hardly going to be more motivated playing for us in the CCC. This is someone who has arguably realistic aspirations to play for England again. I get the sense from what some of the players have said that they really want to give promotion a crack this year, and there's no place for a festering Shorey in that squad.

He may have some nice looking 'assist' statistics but his marking, positional sense and tackling was a constant source of goals for opponents this season. That's why we need to put him up for sale, start the bidding early to get the transfer fee up and get him out of the building before the pre season gets going.

[Vision]

The major difference between the Shorey and Sidwell sitaution is that we got Sidwell for a year playing on significantly less wages than his teammates. We may not have picked up a fee for him but in effect we saved money on his wage for that season. Shorey on the wages he is in the Championship would be the complete opposite. Not only would we lose out on a transfer fee but it would in essence be costing us money every day he's here.

Its irrelevent anyway, someone will bid 2.5m and he''l be off.