Acts of integrity... or not?

[Millsy]

After that 'goal' at Watford (which there's a perfectly good thread on to discuss, so this isn't the place for it... "Disappointed-the goal that never was" by Finerain) I've started wondering about acts of integrity in football matches. Or acts of pure dishonesty. Reading or non-Reading related.

I can think of a few off the top of my head to get the ball rolling...

HONESTY:

1) The only one I can think of (and memory is very hazy here!) is Robbie Fowler being given a penalty in a game a few years ago for a supposed foul tackle by the keeper (?), Fowler knew it wasn't a foul and ran up to the ref wagging his finger trying to explain it wasn't a foul but the arrogant tw*t of a ref refused to listen to him and gave it anyway IIRC. Fowler went on to have the penalty saved. I always wonder if he whispered the direction into the keeper's ear....


DISHONESTY:

1) Paul Bodin being wrongly sent off for us at Elm Park against ????????. ??????????? should have been sent off for us instead but because the real culprit was far better than Bodin, none of our players said a word and a poor old dejected Bodin trudged off the pitch

2) The hand of God

3) Everything Portugal ever does, and dirty dives in general I suppose.

[SCIAG]

A game was abandoned in the football league last year. The team that were losing (1-0) let the opposition's 'keeper score when the match was played again.

[Irvinchangeyaname]

A Hornet's fans view........

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php ... 16&t=24144

Today there was a clear opportunity for John Madejski, Steve Coppell and Wally Downes to have struck a blow for fair play and receive unbelievable positive publicity for Reading Football Club.

They all WOULD HAVE KNOWN AT HALF TIME from Sky that they were in an unjust lead, knowing their "goal" was no such thing and that their player, Noel Hunt also lobbied the lino for the goal that never was and remained silently guilty throughout the first half.

Why didn't they allow (with the score 0-1) Watford to "equalise" straight from the kick off of the second half?

In fact Madjeski and Coppell could have ordered it if they had any sense of decency.

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign and shown they did not wish to win at all costs.

It would have been well received all round the ground, across the country and taken the heat off the officials who only got worse. The PA announcers could have then explained what had gone on.

It would have shown clubs could take back the game from incompetent officials should they choose.

That Reading chose NOT to do so, is disgraceful and shows that business rules over sport and fair play.

I hope somebody puts this point to them and they hang their heads in shame, as their actions go against all the words of Joh n Madjeski and Steve Coppell putting themselves forward as saviours of football and their brave words against the moneyed plutocrats taking over the game.

Glorious opportunity lost.

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

[Millsy]

A Hornet's fans view........

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php ... 16&t=24144

Today there was a clear opportunity for John Madejski, Steve Coppell and Wally Downes to have struck a blow for fair play and receive unbelievable positive publicity for Reading Football Club.

They all WOULD HAVE KNOWN AT HALF TIME from Sky that they were in an unjust lead, knowing their "goal" was no such thing and that their player, Noel Hunt also lobbied the lino for the goal that never was and remained silently guilty throughout the first half.

Why didn't they allow (with the score 0-1) Watford to "equalise" straight from the kick off of the second half?

In fact Madjeski and Coppell could have ordered it if they had any sense of decency.

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign and shown they did not wish to win at all costs.

It would have been well received all round the ground, across the country and taken the heat off the officials who only got worse. The PA announcers could have then explained what had gone on.

It would have shown clubs could take back the game from incompetent officials should they choose.

That Reading chose NOT to do so, is disgraceful and shows that business rules over sport and fair play.

I hope somebody puts this point to them and they hang their heads in shame, as their actions go against all the words of Joh n Madjeski and Steve Coppell putting themselves forward as saviours of football and their brave words against the moneyed plutocrats taking over the game.

Glorious opportunity lost.

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

Sorry mate this is good stuff but irrelevant here... more interesting to go on the relevant thread for discussion of this topic, which I have already pointed out. I don't know how to do the link sorry but it's the one by finerain "Disappointed - the goal that never was". My response to that issue is on page 3 FWIW. Thanks.

[Irvinchangeyaname]

Sorry mate this is good stuff but irrelevant here... more interesting to go on the relevant thread for discussion of this topic, which I have already pointed out. I don't know how to do the link sorry but it's the one by finerain "Disappointed - the goal that never was". My response to that issue is on page 3 FWIW. Thanks.

Fair enough but I went for this thread because the Watford fan is talking about integrity. Not sure 'irrelevant' is strictly true! Thanks

[Millsy]

Sorry mate this is good stuff but irrelevant here... more interesting to go on the relevant thread for discussion of this topic, which I have already pointed out. I don't know how to do the link sorry but it's the one by finerain "Disappointed - the goal that never was". My response to that issue is on page 3 FWIW. Thanks.

Fair enough but I went for this thread because the Watford fan is talking about integrity. Not sure 'irrelevant' is strictly true! Thanks

True, not entirely irrelevant I guess but probably better suited to the other thread it's a good find.

[Irvinchangeyaname]

Here's one then. Paolo di Canio catching the ball in 2000 when Paul Gerrard (Everton keeper) was lying injured on the ground. Gave up an easy scoring opportunity IIRC.

[readingbedding]

A Hornet's fans view........

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php ... 16&t=24144

Today there was a clear opportunity for John Madejski, Steve Coppell and Wally Downes to have struck a blow for fair play and receive unbelievable positive publicity for Reading Football Club.

They all WOULD HAVE KNOWN AT HALF TIME from Sky that they were in an unjust lead, knowing their "goal" was no such thing and that their player, Noel Hunt also lobbied the lino for the goal that never was and remained silently guilty throughout the first half.

Why didn't they allow (with the score 0-1) Watford to "equalise" straight from the kick off of the second half?

In fact Madjeski and Coppell could have ordered it if they had any sense of decency.

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign and shown they did not wish to win at all costs.

It would have been well received all round the ground, across the country and taken the heat off the officials who only got worse. The PA announcers could have then explained what had gone on.

It would have shown clubs could take back the game from incompetent officials should they choose.

That Reading chose NOT to do so, is disgraceful and shows that business rules over sport and fair play.

I hope somebody puts this point to them and they hang their heads in shame, as their actions go against all the words of Joh n Madjeski and Steve Coppell putting themselves forward as saviours of football and their brave words against the moneyed plutocrats taking over the game.

Glorious opportunity lost.

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

Absolute rubbish.

[bobby1413]

A Hornet's fans view........

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php ... 16&t=24144

Today there was a clear opportunity for John Madejski, Steve Coppell and Wally Downes to have struck a blow for fair play and receive unbelievable positive publicity for Reading Football Club.

They all WOULD HAVE KNOWN AT HALF TIME from Sky that they were in an unjust lead, knowing their "goal" was no such thing and that their player, Noel Hunt also lobbied the lino for the goal that never was and remained silently guilty throughout the first half.

Why didn't they allow (with the score 0-1) Watford to "equalise" straight from the kick off of the second half?

In fact Madjeski and Coppell could have ordered it if they had any sense of decency.

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign and shown they did not wish to win at all costs.

It would have been well received all round the ground, across the country and taken the heat off the officials who only got worse. The PA announcers could have then explained what had gone on.

It would have shown clubs could take back the game from incompetent officials should they choose.

That Reading chose NOT to do so, is disgraceful and shows that business rules over sport and fair play.

I hope somebody puts this point to them and they hang their heads in shame, as their actions go against all the words of Joh n Madjeski and Steve Coppell putting themselves forward as saviours of football and their brave words against the moneyed plutocrats taking over the game.

Glorious opportunity lost.

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

Absolute rubbish.

If it was the other way around we would all be saying exactly the same thing.

[readingbedding]

I wouldn't, no-one who I know would come up with such a backward response.

Some people forget that the only person that allows a goal (or not) to stand is the Referee.

He made a mistake, no-one died.

[juanpablo]

Dicanio catching the ball from the cross when the keeper was injured....

i believe he was awarded a fair play trophy

[earleyroyal]

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign

What, by completely ignoring the officials' decision and letting Watford score?

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

Obviously he nipped out for a pie for Eustace elbowing Long in the head, two of their players going down in agony for about 5 minutes when obviously not injured, the second ball being thrown on the pitch when Reading were attacking, the 90 minutes of hoofball, the constant cynical fouling of Reading's wide players (aided by the most incompetent linesman I've ever seen), and the PA announcer implying, without having the courage to state, that Doyle was responsible for Poom's injury. Strange that.

[Irvinchangeyaname]

the PA announcer implying, without having the courage to state, that Doyle was responsible for Poom's injury. Strange that.

That was disgraceful and totally bloody irresponsible.

[Rex]

the PA announcer implying, without having the courage to state, that Doyle was responsible for Poom's injury. Strange that.

That was disgraceful and totally bloody irresponsible.

Thought the very same thing. He implied enough but just held back admitting he could get in trouble.

[earleyroyal]

For anyone not there the words were similar to 'we've got an update on Mart Poom, he's in hospital, obviously we'ree not allowed to show a replay but we'd invite you to watch it when you get home and draw your own conclusions'.

Official complaint would be in order in my opinion, that was Mourinho-esque. Don't see how Doyle standing there while Poom flings himself at a header is his fault.

[Shaka]

If a team let the other team score a free goal because the referee/linesman made a mistake, then the score would be about 5-5 every game.

[Mr. Reading]

If a team let the other team score a free goal because the referee/linesman made a mistake, then the score would be about 5-5 every game.

Agree completely, acts of integrity are, and should be, a thing of the past. A game lasts 90 minutes, and is not decided by one poor decision.

[Blue Heart]

A Hornet's fans view........

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php ... 16&t=24144

Today there was a clear opportunity for John Madejski, Steve Coppell and Wally Downes to have struck a blow for fair play and receive unbelievable positive publicity for Reading Football Club.

They all WOULD HAVE KNOWN AT HALF TIME from Sky that they were in an unjust lead, knowing their "goal" was no such thing and that their player, Noel Hunt also lobbied the lino for the goal that never was and remained silently guilty throughout the first half.

Why didn't they allow (with the score 0-1) Watford to "equalise" straight from the kick off of the second half?

In fact Madjeski and Coppell could have ordered it if they had any sense of decency.

That would have shown their lead for the FA Respect campaign and shown they did not wish to win at all costs.

It would have been well received all round the ground, across the country and taken the heat off the officials who only got worse. The PA announcers could have then explained what had gone on.

It would have shown clubs could take back the game from incompetent officials should they choose.

That Reading chose NOT to do so, is disgraceful and shows that business rules over sport and fair play.

I hope somebody puts this point to them and they hang their heads in shame, as their actions go against all the words of Joh n Madjeski and Steve Coppell putting themselves forward as saviours of football and their brave words against the moneyed plutocrats taking over the game.

Glorious opportunity lost.

I hope our team never show such a pitiful lack of respect for the game.

What is being asked for by this Watford fan is an act of morality in what is sadly a highly immoral game. In the first instance the mistake was made by incompetent officials who did their damndest in the second half to more than redress the balance.
What should Steve Coppell do? As an honest and decent bloke I am sure Steve Coppell was very uncomfortable but he is faced with a dilemma, he would also have to ask himself if the situation was reversed would they do it for me, I am not so sure, football is big business and as we experienced at the end of last season the difference between success or failure can be very marginal one point or a couple of goals, so what happened was regrettable but I am more than sure we will be on the receiving end of some very dodgy decisions before this season ends.

[Sarah Star]

After that 'goal' at Watford (which there's a perfectly good thread on to discuss, so this isn't the place for it... "Disappointed-the goal that never was" by Finerain) I've started wondering about acts of integrity in football matches. Or acts of pure dishonesty. Reading or non-Reading related.

I can think of a few off the top of my head to get the ball rolling...

HONESTY:

1) The only one I can think of (and memory is very hazy here!) is Robbie Fowler being given a penalty in a game a few years ago for a supposed foul tackle by the keeper (?), Fowler knew it wasn't a foul and ran up to the ref wagging his finger trying to explain it wasn't a foul but the arrogant tw*t of a ref refused to listen to him and gave it anyway IIRC. Fowler went on to have the penalty saved. I always wonder if he whispered the direction into the keeper's ear....

I remember Fowler's protest at being awarded a penalty was on the news when it happened and I'd always admired him for that. A few years ago I read his autobiography and he said that he got a letter congratulating him for upholding the honour of the game from the head of FIFA, but that at the time he'd been more concerned that he'd have to play with Shilton - the keeper - again, and that he was afraid the big guy would take it out on him later. He maintained that his miss was unintentional.

[eleventh earl of mar]

I think you will find that the goalkeeper in the Fowler incident was actually David Seaman.