Reading buy 10% clause from Cork City for Kevin Doyle

[Geekins]

I dont understand why we would buy this off them, unless we were planning on selling Doyle.....

if we were planning on selling in jan , why would they accept a lower price now??
they are desperate for cash
not selling doyle in jan as they expected we would, will leave them short of banked on cash
we give them cash now, which they need, and in return they relinquish rights to future sale proceeds

But what if Doyle does a Sidwell and leaves for nothing in 2011.......we've then wasted cash on buying something we didn't need to!

To be fair TBM, even giving them 200k for Doyle is a bargain!

[loyalroyal4life]

if we were planning on selling in jan , why would they accept a lower price now??
they are desperate for cash
not selling doyle in jan as they expected we would, will leave them short of banked on cash
we give them cash now, which they need, and in return they relinquish rights to future sale proceeds[/quote]

But what if Doyle does a Sidwell and leaves for nothing in 2011.......we've then wasted cash on buying something we didn't need to![/quote]

To be fair TBM, even giving them 200k for Doyle is a bargain![/quote]


Doyle's firing us up to the prem so it won't be a waste if he were to leave for nothing in 2011

[RoyalBlue]

I dont understand why we would buy this off them, unless we were planning on selling Doyle.....

if we were planning on selling in jan , why would they accept a lower price now??
they are desperate for cash
not selling doyle in jan as they expected we would, will leave them short of banked on cash
we give them cash now, which they need, and in return they relinquish rights to future sale proceeds

If they were days or maybe even hours away from going out of business due to lack of cash, they might not have had any option but to approach RFC and offer to sell off their right to a cut of any future tranfer fee, regardless of whether or not Doyle is likely to be sold come January.

10% of any future transfer fee is of no use whatsover to a club that is no longer in business.

[PLASTIC PIG]

LOL @ those thinking Doyle was committing signing a contract. He's offski you mugs and in the mean time he's fleecing more money out of you.

Double whammy kick in the teeth.

what a moronic fishing attempt!
again
like theyd take that if he was going in two months for 7-10 million

Where did i say he's off in two months ?

He's off in the summer mush, FACT

I hate people like mini dariusz. He's obviously just fishing for a reply. Like he definetely knows for a FACT when Doyle's going to leave. He is one more example of somebody with no life & probably no friends, who spends their entire life posting on a forum, for a team that they don't even like.

FFS get a life, get out more (or at least once) or at the very least, start posting on a forum where you'll be wanted.

I would ask everyone to ignore him. However, I suppose just posting this reply has probably given him an erection, because the attention seeking little twat will have got another reply. He reminds me of my dog...doesn't care what he does to get attention, just so long as he gets some.

There, that's better....

[rollsy]

why would the club buy out the clause in doyle contract that would give cork city a percentage of his worth if they did not intend to sell him in the window for a massive amount of money?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17112008/ ... lause.html

dodd or delete if already raised, just seems a bit odd to me

[Sun Tzu]

Plenty of discussion elsewhere but in essence Cork are in desperate need of money so we've paid a relatively small amount now to save us a larger amount at some point in the future.
Has no bearing on him going - if he was about to leave why would Cork accept a small amount in late November rather than a large amount in January ?

[rabidbee]

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[Radders]

With promotion said to be worth £40 million, and not having Doyle could be the difference between promotion and staying where we are, it would make terrible business sense to sell him in the middle of the season.

Unless we get over £40 million for him, which is a touch unlikely.

This club is run as a business (aren't all clubs?) and nothing happens unless it will financially benefit this club. Different story if we don't get promoted though so I would expect him to leave in the summer if he was going to.

HTH

[rhroyal]

With promotion said to be worth £40 million, and not having Doyle could be the difference between promotion and staying where we are, it would make terrible business sense to sell him in the middle of the season.

Unless we get over £40 million for him, which is a touch unlikely.

This club is run as a business (aren't all clubs?) and nothing happens unless it will financially benefit this club. Different story if we don't get promoted though so I would expect him to leave in the summer if he was going to.

HTH

To be fair to say we get £40million from promotion is overlooking a lot of things. Our wage bill would probably rise by about 50%, we'd have to invest more in the squad again and we'd have to hire a lot more non-playing staff to deal with the extra media attention and hospitality we'd provide. I can imagine that a lot of £40million would be lost on that lot.

However you're right, it would leave me very disillusioned by our lack of ambition when we could make up a lot of money in the future.

[Xavier Onassis]

Judging by last time around, promotion is "worth" around 10-12m. It took us from a six million loss to a six million profit, but all might agree that we maybe didn't invest enough in the playing staff so that profit figure might get eaten into next time. Nevertheless, worth more than we could sell Doyle for, but that doesn't mean it's a straightforward choice - keep Doyle and definitely get promoted or sell Doyle and definitely stay down. There are a welter of probabilities and unknowns. Good business people are good at complex calculations of expected utilities.

[Pseud O'Nym]

all might agree that we maybe didn't invest enough in the playing staff so that profit figure might get eaten into next time.

I don't agree really, I think that having a team well used to working together was the key to our 8th place in the first prem season.

I do think it was a mistake not to ring the changes in summer '07. Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, innit?

Quite interesting to look at what their summer spending has done for the current prem new boys:

Hull 6.5 million 6th on 21 pts
Stoke 17.5 million 15th on 14 pts
West Brom 19 million bottom on 11 pts

[SCIAG]

all might agree that we maybe didn't invest enough in the playing staff so that profit figure might get eaten into next time.

I don't agree really, I think that having a team well used to working together was the key to our 8th place in the first prem season.

I do think it was a mistake not to ring the changes in summer '07. Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, innit?

Quite interesting to look at what their summer spending has done for the current prem new boys:

Hull 6.5 million 6th on 21 pts
Stoke 17.5 million 15th on 14 pts
West Brom 19 million bottom on 11 pts

Compare that to just under £2m (£1.85m iirc), around £4m (Halford+Duberry+Bennett+Bozanic), approx £4.7m (Fae+Bikey+Cisse+Rosenior, if you think that Seol was, in effect, £1.5m) and around £2m (Marek+Jimmy), making our total spending on players in around £12m.

[papereyes]

all might agree that we maybe didn't invest enough in the playing staff so that profit figure might get eaten into next time.

I don't agree really, I think that having a team well used to working together was the key to our 8th place in the first prem season.

I do think it was a mistake not to ring the changes in summer '07. Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, innit?

Quite interesting to look at what their summer spending has done for the current prem new boys:

Hull 6.5 million 6th on 21 pts
Stoke 17.5 million 15th on 14 pts
West Brom 19 million bottom on 11 pts

Just some thoughts ...

1) Hindsight? HINDSIGHT? The sad thing is, I think, we spent more that summer than any other summer in the history of RFC (its up there, certainly) and somehow managed to end up with a weaker squad! Soccerbase also suggests that Stoke have spent about £11 million.

2) How in the name of all that is holy did West Brom spend £19 million (net?), given that they also sold Curtis Davies for the best part of £8 million? I know they decided to put a Donk on it and he's possibly the worst player I've seen this season. I always think wages can be the decider. Bolton spent very little in terms of transfers at times but used the free transfer market astutely to add a touch of quality here, plug a hole in the squad there - Hull spent nothing on Geovanni and King in terms of transfer fees and that's 9 of their 19 league goals right there.

Soccerbase also suggests that Stoke have spent about £11 million (Maybe its wrong? I dunno).

[Deathy]

why would the club buy out the clause in doyle contract that would give cork city a percentage of his worth if they did not intend to sell him in the window for a massive amount of money?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17112008/ ... lause.html

dodd or delete if already raised, just seems a bit odd to me

He isn't going anywhere in January. Next summer is when Doyle will be with a Premiership club though. With or without us.

[Wycombe Royal]

Soccerbase also suggests that Stoke have spent about £11 million (Maybe its wrong? I dunno).

It is wrong, as any player where the transfer fee has not been disclosed is listed as "signed" (Sonko, Higginbotham, Tonge, Soares, Davies, and Faye all were signed for fees).

[Deathy]

Soccerbase also suggests that Stoke have spent about £11 million (Maybe its wrong? I dunno).

It is wrong, as any player where the transfer fee has not been disclosed is listed as "signed" (Sonko, Higginbotham, Tonge, Soares, Davies, and Faye all were signed for fees).

Media also keep saying Kitson signed for £5m and he didn't. It was about £3.5m with the rest on them staying up.

[Radders]

He isn't going anywhere in January. Next summer is when Doyle will be with a Premiership club though. With or without us.

Exactly.

Media also keep saying Kitson signed for £5m and he didn't. It was about £3.5m with the rest on them staying up.

Not looking good for the rest of the money then, is it?

[RoyalBlue]

Plenty of discussion elsewhere but in essence Cork are in desperate need of money so we've paid a relatively small amount now to save us a larger amount at some point in the future.
Has no bearing on him going - if he was about to leave why would Cork accept a small amount in late November rather than a large amount in January ?

Could be down to a thing called liquidity. Maybe without the small amount of cash injected into their business in November they wouldn't still be around in January.

You can use this transaction to support an argument either way as to whether Doyle will stay or go in January. However, I doubt anyone (including the club and player himself) really knows for sure what is going to happen in the next transfer window.

[ukrainiandub]

wtf are they doing???????

they could easily have tripled that if they held out.

[rabidbee]

wtf are they doing???????

they could easily have tripled that if they held out.

They. Will. Be. Bust. In. January. Without. This. Money.