Please give Henry a chance

[loyalroyal4life]

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but it's got to be worth trying Marek on the right. He deserves a chance for his patience and talent. Henry can wait a bit longer. If it works, the only problem will be: what to do when Kebe's back.

no problem cos kebe will be back sooner than everyone thinks

[brendywendy]

But there have rarely been chances to bring him on when the game hasn't been "won".

There would've been if Coppell had enough faith to include him on the bench instead of an extra defender for those games when Kebe has looked less than convincing.

I agree with Scarface that Coppell doesn't quite trust Henry yet, but I hope he gets his chance tomorrow night.

what games were they?

[Hoop Blah]

But there have rarely been chances to bring him on when the game hasn't been "won".

There would've been if Coppell had enough faith to include him on the bench instead of an extra defender for those games when Kebe has looked less than convincing.

I agree with Scarface that Coppell doesn't quite trust Henry yet, but I hope he gets his chance tomorrow night.

what games were they?

In my mind pretty much all of them!!!

[brendywendy]

you are wrong

HTH!

seriously though, i cant see how its possible to view kebes contribution as anything other than a decent success for us this season
been the source of the majority of our chances from open play, either directly or indirectly
pur plenty of good balls into the box on a plate for the strikers, caused much panic in the opposition defences, and has added to his game in terms of effort, tackling and tracking back.
only in terms of shooting has he been any where near abject, and that may well be put to bed after he scored a peach the other day

one of us must be totally blinkered!

[Hoop Blah]

one of us must be totally blinkered!

I don't totally doubt his overall contribution to the season so far, I just don't rate his ability and he isn't my cup of tea.

I'd question the number of balls he's put on a plate etc, but he does scare defenders with his pace. Personally I don't think they should be quite so scared having seen what he actually does with the position he gets into most of the time....

[brendywendy]

one of us must be totally blinkered!

I don't totally doubt his overall contribution to the season so far, I just don't rate his ability and he isn't my cup of tea.

I'd question the number of balls he's put on a plate etc, but he does scare defenders with his pace. Personally I don't think they should be quite so scared having seen what he actually does with the position he gets into most of the time....

just not sure how you can be missing the crosses/end product
sure not with every run he does, but enough in each game to score us a goal or two, ill happily forgive the time he treads on the ball and leaves it behind in exchange for the rest.
& surely the numbers are indesputable-just check the assist charts.

peaple are just different i suppose

[Royalshow]

one of us must be totally blinkered!

I don't totally doubt his overall contribution to the season so far, I just don't rate his ability and he isn't my cup of tea.

I'd question the number of balls he's put on a plate etc, but he does scare defenders with his pace. Personally I don't think they should be quite so scared having seen what he actually does with the position he gets into most of the time....

You're a mug if you do not value Kebe's contribution to the team this season.He has been instrumental in so many attacks this season.I bet john Halls was more your cup of tea.

[Hoop Blah]

one of us must be totally blinkered!

I don't totally doubt his overall contribution to the season so far, I just don't rate his ability and he isn't my cup of tea.

I'd question the number of balls he's put on a plate etc, but he does scare defenders with his pace. Personally I don't think they should be quite so scared having seen what he actually does with the position he gets into most of the time....

You're a mug if you do not value Kebe's contribution to the team this season.He has been instrumental in so many attacks this season.I bet john Halls was more your cup of tea.

Well done, very constructive post. I think you'll find I agreed that his overall contribution was pretty good so far but personally I prefer a player who is a little more consistent, intelligent and a bit more proficient in the basics of the game. Those kind of players tend to have longer more fruitful careers and can perform better against better opposition.

[andrew1957]

Kebe has been excellent this season and is in third place on the Championship assists tables the last time I looked. Surely that means he does have an excellent end product!

[Hoop Blah]

Kebe has been excellent this season and is in third place on the Championship assists tables the last time I looked. Surely that means he does have an excellent end product!

It all depends on how many chances he actually creates and how good his team mates are at on getting on the end of them.

I can picture in my mind one 'assist' where Kebe pulled the ball back for one forward, I think Doyle, and he missed him by putting the ball slightly behind him but got lucky that another, I think Hunt, managed to get on the end of it and score. Conversly, the pull back for Cisse's goal the other was perfect.

Stats can be very misleading in football.

[SteveRoyal]

Kebe's card will be rescinded. Henry will keep his place on the bench.
This thread is now pointless.

[rhroyal]

Kebe has been excellent this season and is in third place on the Championship assists tables the last time I looked. Surely that means he does have an excellent end product!

It all depends on how many chances he actually creates and how good his team mates are at on getting on the end of them.

I can picture in my mind one 'assist' where Kebe pulled the ball back for one forward, I think Doyle, and he missed him by putting the ball slightly behind him but got lucky that another, I think Hunt, managed to get on the end of it and score. Conversly, the pull back for Cisse's goal the other was perfect.

Stats can be very misleading in football.

If you get to the line and put the ball in the right area you deserve credit for the assist. End of.

[Stranded]

EP suggesting this morning that Henry has gotten the nod should the appeal fail later today.

[sheshnu]

If you get to the line and put the ball in the right area you deserve credit for the assist. End of.

Yep, when Murty was on the TV the other day he was talking about areas that they are told to hit as players - Kébé puts the ball into those areas he knows the boss has told his team mates to be, and as such has contributed enormously to Reading's attacking play this season.

[winchester_royal]

EP suggesting this morning that Henry has gotten the nod should the appeal fail later today.

Good. TBH that means there are positives whichever way the appeal goes. If it is rescinded, then arguably our best attacking midfielder can play, if not then Henry gets a deserved chance.

[Negative_Jeff]

Not knowing much about Henry I have just gone through the whole of this thread to try to find out what sort of player he is and I am still none the wiser. So if anybody knows;
Is he quick?
Does he beat a man on the outside, inside or both?
Is he an outside to in winger(Joe Cole) or inside to out (Wright Phillips)?
Does he like taking the ball in tight situations (Glen Little) or needs to be in space?
Can he put in a shift up and down the line for ninety minutes (Stephen Hunt)?
Does he specialize in free kicks and corners?
Does he get to the line to cross or does he cross from deep with swerve?
Any aerial threat on the far post fo crosses from the left?

On the face of it, without knowing fitness levels etc, I believe the case for playing a proven quality international (Matejovsky) over the obvious desire to see the promotion of a home grown young talent (Henry) is compelling and if it requires a slight tweak in tactics then so be it. On the other hand if Henry plays and proves to tick lots of boxes from the above, I will hold my hands up.

[Royalwaster]

All those questions - are you the Blackpool assistant manager of what?

[bishbosh92]

Well will no by tonight wont we!

if kebes red card is succesfully appealed he has to start Henry is nothing comapred to him and i gurantee will score less goals

Henry will get his chance

Cardiff away in the Cup

[S09Royal]

Well will no by tonight wont we!

if kebes red card is succesfully appealed he has to start Henry is nothing comapred to him and i gurantee will score less goals

Henry will get his chance

Cardiff away in the Cup

Don't underestimate Henry...he could well save our skin tonight if Kebe's appeal isn't overturned.
Saying that, i don't think he'd start ahead of Bryn or Marek. But that's just my POV and i hope Kebe is able to play for us tonight.

[Hoop Blah]

If you get to the line and put the ball in the right area you deserve credit for the assist. End of.

Yep, when Murty was on the TV the other day he was talking about areas that they are told to hit as players - Kébé puts the ball into those areas he knows the boss has told his team mates to be, and as such has contributed enormously to Reading's attacking play this season.

I agree with that. It's the Coppell way of playing to the percentages that served his Palace side so well.

However, there is a big difference between that and pulling the ball back aiming for one teammate and picking out another by virtue of a poor pass though.

To be fair, his pull back for Doyle's goal at Cardiff (if my memory is right) was also pretty spot on. It's the high number of basic errors that annoy me. Compare Kebe to the likes of Ledley, Kightly, Larsson and Routledge and you'll see the gaps in his game that just make him a player I don't rate that highly.