Transfer Window Ins and Outs

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by soggy biscuit » 08 Jan 2009 12:43

Deathy They will take second. Or they should. I know we have many a blinkered Reading fan on here, but they're squad is so much stronger than hours.
But we've proved before that you don't necessarily need the best squad to get promoted, but more often than not, you do.



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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Deathy » 08 Jan 2009 12:47

:lol: Love that!

Matt Etherington to Stoke - £3m (almost a done deal)

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Vision » 08 Jan 2009 13:04

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Royal Rother Phillips, McSheffrey, Bent, Jerome, McFadden, O'Connor, Sinclair, Boyd, Bouazza - all strikers? :o


Unless they are planning on selling a couple....im sure they wouldn't bring in that many if they werent planning on playing them!


Sinclair, Bouazza, McSheffrey and McFaden can all play wide. Still a lot, can't see injuries effeecting them up front though...


I've felt this since the pre-season but Birmingham HAVE to go back up this season. They've taken the gamble and if it doesn't pay off then i feel they'll be in the same boat as Charlton and Watford next season.

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by soggy biscuit » 08 Jan 2009 14:20

Blackburn offer £2M for El Hadji Diouf

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by winchester_royal » 08 Jan 2009 14:34

LOL. Looks like Allardyce is going to try to assemble his old Bolton team again.


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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Victor Meldrew » 08 Jan 2009 14:37

On the question of Birmingham, Bouazza and Sinclair are only loan signings and they will get good money for Jerome to help fund the purchase of Boyd.
The people who run Birmingham strike me as shrewd and it looks as though they are investing the SKY TV money knowing that if the fail this year there is still more parachute money next year as well.
For whatever reason we have decided not to invest the SKY money in the squad.
To suggest that Birminham are heading for administration striks me as a bit premature and probably wide of the mark.
BTW wouldn't mind Jerome for us.

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by Tredder » 08 Jan 2009 14:44

Cooky signs for us on a permanent contract.

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by papereyes » 08 Jan 2009 14:50

Victor Meldrew On the question of Birmingham, Bouazza and Sinclair are only loan signings and they will get good money for Jerome to help fund the purchase of Boyd.
The people who run Birmingham strike me as shrewd and it looks as though they are investing the SKY TV money knowing that if the fail this year there is still more parachute money next year as well.
For whatever reason we have decided not to invest the SKY money in the squad.
To suggest that Birminham are heading for administration striks me as a bit premature and probably wide of the mark.
BTW wouldn't mind Jerome for us.


and Birmingham's owner is in a very recession proof business.

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Vision » 08 Jan 2009 14:58

Victor Meldrew On the question of Birmingham, Bouazza and Sinclair are only loan signings and they will get good money for Jerome to help fund the purchase of Boyd.
The people who run Birmingham strike me as shrewd and it looks as though they are investing the SKY TV money knowing that if the fail this year there is still more parachute money next year as well.
For whatever reason we have decided not to invest the SKY money in the squad.
To suggest that Birminham are heading for administration striks me as a bit premature and probably wide of the mark.
BTW wouldn't mind Jerome for us.


I'd like Jerome too but its not gonna happen.

They have a large squad most of whom they are still paying prem wages for yet they still supplement their squad with Premiership loans. Phillips and Carsley certainly don't come cheap. Their attendances are not following their spending pattern either..

They are the last club (in my memory) that bounced straight back up automatically so i guess they feel this is the way to go about it but their outlay is way above that of Charlton and Watford who like most clubs find themselves in bother if they haven't reduced the wage bill to manageable levels following relegation. Like us they cashed in on a couple of players like Kapo and Muamba but they spent pretty heavily to stay up in the last transfer window and that didn't help them.

I think they're precisely the sort of club that will find themselves in bother if they don't go straight back up. Whether its quite administration or not i don't know but the second set of parachute payments isn't easing the problems at Charlton or Watford.


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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Royal Rother » 08 Jan 2009 15:22

I find it amazing that such massively huge club as Birmingham have a lower average gate than Reading.

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by ayjaydee » 08 Jan 2009 15:35

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Victor Meldrew On the question of Birmingham, Bouazza and Sinclair are only loan signings and they will get good money for Jerome to help fund the purchase of Boyd.
The people who run Birmingham strike me as shrewd and it looks as though they are investing the SKY TV money knowing that if the fail this year there is still more parachute money next year as well.
For whatever reason we have decided not to invest the SKY money in the squad.
To suggest that Birminham are heading for administration striks me as a bit premature and probably wide of the mark.
BTW wouldn't mind Jerome for us.


and Birmingham's owner is in a very recession proof business.


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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Deathy » 08 Jan 2009 15:40

winchester_royal LOL. Looks like Allardyce is going to try to assemble his old Bolton team again.


LOL at finishing in the top 10 year after year :|

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Victor Meldrew » 08 Jan 2009 15:40

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Victor Meldrew On the question of Birmingham, Bouazza and Sinclair are only loan signings and they will get good money for Jerome to help fund the purchase of Boyd.
The people who run Birmingham strike me as shrewd and it looks as though they are investing the SKY TV money knowing that if the fail this year there is still more parachute money next year as well.
For whatever reason we have decided not to invest the SKY money in the squad.
To suggest that Birminham are heading for administration striks me as a bit premature and probably wide of the mark.
BTW wouldn't mind Jerome for us.


I'd like Jerome too but its not gonna happen.

They have a large squad most of whom they are still paying prem wages for yet they still supplement their squad with Premiership loans. Phillips and Carsley certainly don't come cheap. Their attendances are not following their spending pattern either..

They are the last club (in my memory) that bounced straight back up automatically so i guess they feel this is the way to go about it but their outlay is way above that of Charlton and Watford who like most clubs find themselves in bother if they haven't reduced the wage bill to manageable levels following relegation. Like us they cashed in on a couple of players like Kapo and Muamba but they spent pretty heavily to stay up in the last transfer window and that didn't help them.

I think they're precisely the sort of club that will find themselves in bother if they don't go straight back up. Whether its quite administration or not i don't know but the second set of parachute payments isn't easing the problems at Charlton or Watford.


Having read your post I decided to have a look at Birminham's squad details and in fact ,unless you think we have a large squad,their "large squad" is slightly LESS than ours.
You and I don't know whether Birmingham are still paying Premiership wages nor do we know if Reading are still paying Premiership wages so it's wrong to make such assumptions.
Dare I say also that they MAY have more valuable assets to sell if need be whereas we,apart from Doyle,have nobody worth much more than £1million-I am thinking of Ridgewell,Larssen ,Jeromeand McFadden in particular-and they must feel that the gamble is worth taking.

You use Charlton and Watford as instances of how it can all go wrong although now the parachute payments are even higher so from our club's point of view (and that's the only one I really care about) I would have thought that new capital from the sale of Kitson,Shorey and Sonko at about £10 million plus the parachute payment plus the supposedly unused portion of SKY money from last season presumably means that if we want to take a bit of a gamble we can afford to do so.
We didn't gamble to stay up (or rather, took an outrageous gamble on a player who had never played in England to take the place of our most expensive player who also had never played in England) so I wonder if we will gamble to go up.
Whether we do or not I find it sanctimonious that Birmingham should be derided for taking such a gamble.


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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Wycombe Royal » 08 Jan 2009 15:45

Victor Meldrew Having read your post I decided to have a look at Birminham's squad details and in fact ,unless you think we have a large squad,their "large squad" is slightly LESS than ours.
You and I don't know whether Birmingham are still paying Premiership wages nor do we know if Reading are still paying Premiership wages so it's wrong to make such assumptions.
Dare I say also that they MAY have more valuable assets to sell if need be whereas we,apart from Doyle,have nobody worth much more than £1million-I am thinking of Ridgewell,Larssen ,Jeromeand McFadden in particular-and they must feel that the gamble is worth taking.

You use Charlton and Watford as instances of how it can all go wrong although now the parachute payments are even higher so from our club's point of view (and that's the only one I really care about) I would have thought that new capital from the sale of Kitson,Shorey and Sonko at about £10 million plus the parachute payment plus the supposedly unused portion of SKY money from last season presumably means that if we want to take a bit of a gamble we can afford to do so.
We didn't gamble to stay up (or rather, took an outrageous gamble on a player who had never played in England to take the place of our most expensive player who also had never played in England) so I wonder if we will gamble to go up.
Whether we do or not I find it sanctimonious that Birmingham should be derided for taking such a gamble.


A couple of things:

1) It was widely reported that our playing squad (and management and coaches) all took a 40% pay cut on relegation. I don't know about Birmingham but I am pretty sure they pay players more than we do - Carsley was signed on £25k per week)

2) A lot of the players in our squad who have been alloacated a squad number are acedemy players - did you take that into account when looking at the squad size?

3) As for saleable player assets worth over a £1m - you seem to omit Rosenior, Bikey, Harper, SHunt & Matejovsky.

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by Alan Partridge » 08 Jan 2009 16:00

Birmingham have 23 first team players looking at their list with 6 or 7 young lads on top of that, it's certainly a fair few less than Reading. I would also heavily doubt that many if any of them are on the same money they were on last year. Maybe by having this fairly small squad in terms of numbers they can afford to pay a bit more for them. I don't know their financial state but I heavily doubt David Gold for 1 and also how tight Sullivan can be are likely to put the entire clubs possible future on them going straight back up. What I would say is on paper they certainly have the best squad in terms of experience and quality in the division and they ought to be a top 2 side at the end of the season. For what ever reason although they are 3rd they certainly haven't found the same fluency that Wolves and Reading have.

I suppose that could be down to having a fairly recently new manager with new ideas who has brought in a lot of players in a short space of time.

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by Victor Meldrew » 08 Jan 2009 16:07

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It was a bit tongue-in-cheek about Hunt but on what he has shown in English football are you serious about Marek and do you really think somebody would pay more than £1million for Rosenior?
Also Bikey,a cult hero for us but has he done enough in his relatively few games at Premier level to get another club to pay over £1 million?

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by Vision » 08 Jan 2009 16:23

Alan Partridge Birmingham have 23 first team players looking at their list with 6 or 7 young lads on top of that, it's certainly a fair few less than Reading. I would also heavily doubt that many if any of them are on the same money they were on last year. Maybe by having this fairly small squad in terms of numbers they can afford to pay a bit more for them. I don't know their financial state but I heavily doubt David Gold for 1 and also how tight Sullivan can be are likely to put the entire clubs possible future on them going straight back up. What I would say is on paper they certainly have the best squad in terms of experience and quality in the division and they ought to be a top 2 side at the end of the season. For what ever reason although they are 3rd they certainly haven't found the same fluency that Wolves and Reading have.

I suppose that could be down to having a fairly recently new manager with new ideas who has brought in a lot of players in a short space of time.


On paper theyn do have the better players because a fair few were established premiership players. I would be extremely surprised if their wage bill was not the highest in this division. Big (name) signings which an awful lot of this squad are do not come cheap. I doubt that Phillips and Carsley wouldn't have left the safety of the Premier league without being offered a fair few bob.

Current wage bill also bumped up by several loan signings at any one time. Once again not saying they would necesarily be heading for administration but I'd wager their policy next season would be drastically different whereas ours probably not so.. I'm also not sure how much the likes of McFadden, Jerome, Ridgewell & Larsson would actually fetch in comparison to Doyle, Hunt, Harper & Rosenior.

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by Alan Partridge » 08 Jan 2009 16:26

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Alan Partridge Birmingham have 23 first team players looking at their list with 6 or 7 young lads on top of that, it's certainly a fair few less than Reading. I would also heavily doubt that many if any of them are on the same money they were on last year. Maybe by having this fairly small squad in terms of numbers they can afford to pay a bit more for them. I don't know their financial state but I heavily doubt David Gold for 1 and also how tight Sullivan can be are likely to put the entire clubs possible future on them going straight back up. What I would say is on paper they certainly have the best squad in terms of experience and quality in the division and they ought to be a top 2 side at the end of the season. For what ever reason although they are 3rd they certainly haven't found the same fluency that Wolves and Reading have.

I suppose that could be down to having a fairly recently new manager with new ideas who has brought in a lot of players in a short space of time.


On paper theyn do have the better players because a fair few were established premiership players. I would be extremely surprised if their wage bill was not the highest in this division. Big (name) signings which an awful lot of this squad are do not come cheap. I doubt that Phillips and Carsley wouldn't have left the safety of the Premier league without being offered a fair few bob.

Current wage bill also bumped up by several loan signings at any one time. Once again not saying they would necesarily be heading for administration but their policy next season would be drastically different. I'm also not sure how much the likes of McFadden, Jerome, Ridgewell & Larsson would actually fetch in comparison to Doyle, Hunt, Harper & Rosenior.


Carsley and Phillips were offered two years in compared to only being offered 1 at their other clubs. Not sure Carsley was offered anything at all. That'll have some bearing on their decisions.

Oh I agree it certainly will be the highest almost definitely but I don't think the owners would spend way above their means so much so that if they don't go up then they'd be financially crippled.

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by papereyes » 08 Jan 2009 16:27

I doubt that Phillips and Carsley wouldn't have left the safety of the Premier league without being offered a fair few bob.


Phillips certainly chose another season in the Championship ahead of playing for West brom at the bottom of the Premiership so I'm not 100 % sure that its as clear cut as that, certainly in his case.

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Re: Transfer Window Ins and Outs

by Huntley & Palmer » 08 Jan 2009 16:35

readingbedding Why would Rangers even think about selling a striker that has twenty goals already this season, and has been the their top scorer for three seasons running?

Unless they needed the money.

If he does go, I would bet that it will go down well up there.

Move off currently as Boyd and Birmingham are miles apart with respect to personal terms. McLeish quoted as saying that the deal is dead

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