Coppell out!

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Re: Coppell out!

by Royal1983 » 25 Feb 2009 10:48

Question for you Woodcote as you were not there till the end of the match on Sat how do you know if there was any boo's. I stayed till the end and oddly enough there wasn't any sounded more like people were clapping both teams off. If You don't stay then you don't know so GROW UP! :evil:

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Denver Royal Woodcote...a couple questions if I may...

1. You really believe you are better if you leave after 47 mins than someone who may have got a prediction wrong on a meaningless internet message board?

2. We're 3rd in the Championship and may get promoted to the Premiership...a lofty status given our history. What do you think of fans who stayed til the end? Do you think they are idiots?


Back on planet earth, as a STH who happily buys a seat for the season whether he uses it or not makes me a better supporter than those who stayed just to boo the team.

It's not my fault, or the players, that the managers response to his team's failure to score for more than a month was to pick an unchanged team but I knew that, had I stayed, my state of mind would not have helped the team.

This might have put me on a par with hundreds of fans who turn up every week and spend most of their time hurling abuse at the team or certain players regardless of whether we are winning or losing.........and I wasn't prepared to sink to that level.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Sun Tzu » 25 Feb 2009 10:49

Even the smattering of boos at half time seemed to be more for the ref than the players....

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Re: Coppell out!

by Rawlie19 » 25 Feb 2009 14:10

Sun Tzu Even the smattering of boos at half time seemed to be more for the ref than the players....

But as a player, how would you know? As a rule I don't boo, it's not going to actually help the team is it? I mean, they know they're losing and playing crap already. I don't clap them off either though.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Sun Tzu » 25 Feb 2009 14:15

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Sun Tzu Even the smattering of boos at half time seemed to be more for the ref than the players....

But as a player, how would you know? As a rule I don't boo, it's not going to actually help the team is it? I mean, they know they're losing and playing crap already. I don't clap them off either though.


Agreed, I'm not a booer myself.

It seemed obvious to me it was the ref who was being booed because the boos didn;t come right on the whistle, half the players had left the pitch and the boos I heard seemed to come as the officials started their stroll towards the tunnel.
In addition to that I suspect the players were as aware of anyone that the ref had been awful and I suspect at least Harper and possibly Doyle were joining in with the booing....

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Re: Coppell out!

by Woodcote Royal » 25 Feb 2009 16:07

Royal1983 Question for you Woodcote as you were not there till the end of the match on Sat how do you know if there was any boo's. I stayed till the end and oddly enough there wasn't any sounded more like people were clapping both teams off. If You don't stay then you don't know so GROW UP! :evil:

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1. You really believe you are better if you leave after 47 mins than someone who may have got a prediction wrong on a meaningless internet message board?

2. We're 3rd in the Championship and may get promoted to the Premiership...a lofty status given our history. What do you think of fans who stayed til the end? Do you think they are idiots?


Back on planet earth, as a STH who happily buys a seat for the season whether he uses it or not makes me a better supporter than those who stayed just to boo the team.

It's not my fault, or the players, that the managers response to his team's failure to score for more than a month was to pick an unchanged team but I knew that, had I stayed, my state of mind would not have helped the team.

This might have put me on a par with hundreds of fans who turn up every week and spend most of their time hurling abuse at the team or certain players regardless of whether we are winning or losing.........and I wasn't prepared to sink to that level.


I have no idea whether fans booed after Saturdays game, from what I hear most eventually did the same as me and left before the end.

What I was refering to was the countless occasions in the past when they have resorted to this sort of abuse of the team. If like me, they blamed the manager and elected to leave early instead, that's good to hear.


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Re: Coppell out!

by Tommy Youlden's Ears » 25 Feb 2009 18:32

Was in Y24. Some boos at the end, very limited. I understand the frustration, but you don't boo your team, not in my code.

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Re: Coppell out!

by brendywendy » 26 Feb 2009 09:50

how will the players understand you if you support the team in code?

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Re: Coppell out!

by Tommy Youlden's Ears » 26 Feb 2009 10:59

Ah, well I'm a distant relative of Tolkien, and it's Hobbit code. Hunty translates to the rest of the team with his crazy dancing stepover feet. P'raps I should cease and leave him to start playing properly again.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Mr Angry » 26 Feb 2009 11:31

I genuinely can't believe that individuals think Coppell should be sacked at this point of the season.....

......oh wait; they are all the same people who wanted him sacked at the end of last season as well!

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Isn't it odd how as soon as the team hits a patch of bad form, those fans who think that the best reaction is the knee jerk one come out to play.


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Re: Coppell out!

by Hoop Blah » 26 Feb 2009 12:25

I don't think he should be sacked.

I do still question a number of his decisions and the way his team are performing.

I'm still not even convinced him staying on after last season was the best thing for the long term future of the club. I do however accept that I was wrong that he wouldn't be able to get enough out of the team to be one of the front runners in the league this season though.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Sun Tzu » 26 Feb 2009 12:28

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I do still question a number of his decisions and the way his team are performing.


Is there a manager in the history of the game who hasn't made questionable decisons ? Ferguson certainly has, Wenger has, Benetez has, Mouriniho has, Pardew did, Shankley did, Clough did......

The best managers are the one's who either make fewest bad calls, or manage to sort out their bad calls or get the most luck - not the ones who never make bad decisions.

Has Coppell made more or less bad decisions than McCarthy and McLeish ?

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Re: Coppell out!

by Hoop Blah » 26 Feb 2009 12:47

I don't follow the other clubs close enough to really compare to be honest, I just don't give a flying one about who they play, where or anything else really.

In my opinion though Coppell has failed to address some significant flaws in our squad over the last two and a bit seasons and he's repeated too many mistakes for my liking.

He's still managed to get some fantastic results though, but I admit to wanting near perfection to keep me happy, and although I know it's unrealistic to achieve it I hope that the clubs management have that same aim.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Sun Tzu » 26 Feb 2009 13:06

Hoop Blah He's still managed to get some fantastic results though, but I admit to wanting near perfection to keep me happy, and although I know it's unrealistic to achieve it I hope that the clubs management have that same aim.


I know what you mean !
Win every game, play great football every week, have glowing match reports in all the press and be universally adored !!

We set ourselves incredibly high standards ...

Are we never going to feel we've won a title properly unless we have 107 points ?

It's quite frightening what might happen if we ever got a manager who was perfect and a squad of players who never had a bad game. HNA would melt !


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Re: Coppell out!

by Scarface » 26 Feb 2009 13:34

Hoop Blah
In my opinion though Coppell has failed to address some significant flaws in our squad over the last two and a bit seasons and he's repeated too many mistakes for my liking.



This is also my criticism of Coppell, he was let down last season by the players he stuck by and at the moment the same thing is happening again. As a fan I find this incredibly frustrating as it appears Coppell is the only person who can't see this.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Alan Partridge » 26 Feb 2009 13:35

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I do still question a number of his decisions and the way his team are performing.


Is there a manager in the history of the game who hasn't made questionable decisons ? Ferguson certainly has, Wenger has, Benetez has, Mouriniho has, Pardew did, Shankley did, Clough did......

The best managers are the one's who either make fewest bad calls, or manage to sort out their bad calls or get the most luck - not the ones who never make bad decisions.

Has Coppell made more or less bad decisions than McCarthy and McLeish ?


Whilst I would agree with the gist of this, don't you consider it slightly alarming that the mistakes Coppell seems to make are ones that he's already done time and time again? It's nothing new, repeated failure to change not performing sides or not use the transfer/loan windows to greater effect.

It's happened when he first got here, it happened dramatically in 04/05, happened dramatically last season and the signs are it's happening again.

Coppell does strike me of the perfect manager to have when things are going well, if you need a steady calm head to keep players in check as the run in approaches, his teams usually tiumph. It's the other case that he seems to be the less than ideal person, when the team is struggling he rarely has a plan B or can rarely if ever halt the slide. He's been relegated an awful lot of times for such a 'top manager'.

Steve Coppell when things are tough = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIu7aoC205s

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Re: Coppell out!

by Sun Tzu » 26 Feb 2009 13:45

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I do still question a number of his decisions and the way his team are performing.


Is there a manager in the history of the game who hasn't made questionable decisons ? Ferguson certainly has, Wenger has, Benetez has, Mouriniho has, Pardew did, Shankley did, Clough did......

The best managers are the one's who either make fewest bad calls, or manage to sort out their bad calls or get the most luck - not the ones who never make bad decisions.

Has Coppell made more or less bad decisions than McCarthy and McLeish ?


Whilst I would agree with the gist of this, don't you consider it slightly alarming that the mistakes Coppell seems to make are ones that he's already done time and time again? It's nothing new, repeated failure to change not performing sides or not use the transfer/loan windows to greater effect.

It's happened when he first got here, it happened dramatically in 04/05, happened dramatically last season and the signs are it's happening again.

Coppell does strike me of the perfect manager to have when things are going well, if you need a steady calm head to keep players in check as the run in approaches, his teams usually tiumph. It's the other case that he seems to be the less than ideal person, when the team is struggling he rarely has a plan B or can rarely if ever halt the slide. He's been relegated an awful lot of times for such a 'top manager'.



Fair comments AP. There seem to be some managers who thrive against adversity, others who specialise in the good times and a lot who chug along in mid table.

Perhaps Coppell is a 'good times' manager. Would we rather have that than a 'chugger' ? The ones who can do the job in all situations are like gold dust, even more so these days where it's so much easier to get a job at a top club and many managers never have to work in all the circumstances that can arise.

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Re: Coppell Out

by West Stand Man » 26 Feb 2009 13:54

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sam1reed Don't agree, he's doing the best he can at the moment with what he's got. Limited ingredients, trying to come up with a black forest gataeu when he can only muster a 99p shop muffin.


Exactly.

Championship Chairman!!

The blame firmly at Madejski's feet.


What blame would that be then? The blame for being in third place in the league with games in hand maybe? Sounds like a good thing to take the 'blame' for.

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Re: Coppell out!

by Alan Partridge » 26 Feb 2009 13:56

A balance would be nice! :P

Coppell should absolutely definitely finish the season,it's not a slide at the moment mainly down to everyone else being equally crap and it's still in our hands. But he has to change the team, he has to try and take a more observant and unbiased view on things and look where we are really going wrong, that's the midfield. It contains two of his untouchables. Big and brave decisions needed.

If he looks to be trying things and trying to change the fortunes then I don't think many would complain at that, just picking the same failing team every week with myabe one change here or there isn't the response needed or expected from someone with 20 years experience in his job.

Saturday is must win, poor opposition on the back of a derby day hammering, at home. No excuses.

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Re: Coppell out!

by crossie » 26 Feb 2009 14:14

Royal1983 Question for you, Woodcote, as you were not there 'til the end of the match on Sat, how do you know if there were any boos? I stayed 'til the end and, oddly enough, there weren't any. Sounded more like people were clapping both teams off. If you don't stay, then you don't know, so GROW UP! :evil:

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Re: Coppell out!

by Scarface » 26 Feb 2009 15:54

Alan Partridge A balance would be nice! :P

Coppell should absolutely definitely finish the season,it's not a slide at the moment mainly down to everyone else being equally crap and it's still in our hands. But he has to change the team, he has to try and take a more observant and unbiased view on things and look where we are really going wrong, that's the midfield. It contains two of his untouchables. Big and brave decisions needed.

If he looks to be trying things and trying to change the fortunes then I don't think many would complain at that, just picking the same failing team every week with myabe one change here or there isn't the response needed or expected from someone with 20 years experience in his job.

Saturday is must win, poor opposition on the back of a derby day hammering, at home. No excuses.


What he said, word for word.

If Coppell had done this last year, we'd still be in the Premiership.

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