Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by holsgrove breaks a leg » 17 Mar 2009 16:44

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Schards#2 Going to have to disagree there, it's been the dullest season for several years. As for inspiring.... :lol: ...please

Would you accept that you might not best positioned to judge given that I understand you haven't witnessed a kick of it?

Just so that no one is in any doubt I've seen all the full games on Sky which, by your own admission, actually gives me a better view to judge a game and I've been to the game against Wolves. With a young family and living in Belfast I'm not in a position to come over as often as I would like. I've also listened to all the other games on Reading World but will heartily conceed that this is far from ideal for making a cohesive judgement.

I'm still confused. You've already changed your view on wether it's been a dull season TWICE :shock: . I have remained constant in my assertion that the season is far from dull. I don't have to be at any games to know that this is the case.

If your criteria for not being dull is the 106 point season then I would suggest you are living in cloud cuckoo land. That was a freak season and will never be repeated. If your criteria for not being dull is just missing out on Europe than, again, that is not going to be a position I feel we will be in for a considerable length of time.

Bearing this in mind, I return to the central theme which is that the season is dull. As it stands we are still in with a good chance of automatic promotion in what looks like a 4 horse race (IF Cardiff win all their games in hand) for promotion. If you think that's dull then I fear supporting Reading is not for you. I can't think of anything more exciting.

As for uninspiring - name me a team in the Championship that has remined consistantly insipiring. Swansea? Not at the start of the season? Burnley? Not at the moment. Cardiff? See Swansea. Birmingham and Wolves? Not exactly pulling up any trees at the moment.

So I'm not prepared to conceed the season, or supporting Reading, is dull at the moment. That's just not true. Uninspiring? I can't remember the last time I went to a football match and was inspired I'm not even sure that's relevant.

I'm still, however, struggling with the following statement:

Schards#2 I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.


No matter what spin I try an put on this and no matter what the semantics are it's a pretty objective statement. There's no wiggle room. It means what it means. Being as generous as I can, It's looking wrong. Even if we keep our recent bad for up we will more than likely reach the playoffs. That, my friend, is not mid table. I don't even need to be on the same planet as you let alone at a football match for 90 minutes to realise that.

I think it's best if we leave it at that.


Seeing as you are so interested, obsessed some might say. I would define dull and being bored to death, which I have been for the majority of games this season.

As for uninspiring, we are uninspiring. The fact that no one else is this dross filled division is inspiring does not make us any more inspiring.

When someone predicts what things might be like going forward, I don't think generally, they anticipate what they said things will be like, to be exactly that in every single game. It's a generalisation. In November I accepted that , at that point, it hadn't been dull, (despite your insistance that I have never admitted being wrong about anything, which is it?), in Feb, I can say that the season as a whole has been dull.

As for mid table in the championship, in the long term, that is where we will end up without the investment that has already been ruled out. If we get there via a season of humiliation in the premiership, so be it but without investment that's where we are going.

Finally, I don't care why you don't go to games, I just know that you can't judge what's dull or not unless it's live on TV which the vast majority aren't. But if you don't believe me, take a gander at few other threads.


Schards changing the goalposts yet again :roll: :roll:

Any more crystal ball gazing from you and i would be tempted to rename you russell grant's alter ego. You deal in so many if,buts and maybes its untrue and constantly back track and add new meanings to your huge texts of self imposed 'opinions'. For these reasons i dont think you are much of a credible force on HNA. For the record, a team recently demoted from the premier league and still challenging for promotion isn't going backwards in my book (take charlton,norwich.,qpr after they were relegated).What next, are we going to have a list of Schards told you so's previewing the next three seasons and claiming victory by trawling through posts and posts of inference.....

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by seahawk10 » 17 Mar 2009 16:49

Royal Lady Yes. It would be if I hadn't already stated previously why I said that. Oh. Has Readingbedding posted since Saturday? Or is he too busy planning the PROFLomotion PaROFLty?


The promotion party will be back on after today's win.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Arch » 17 Mar 2009 17:30

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Royal Lady Yes. It would be if I hadn't already stated previously why I said that. Oh. Has Readingbedding posted since Saturday? Or is he too busy planning the PROFLomotion PaROFLty?


The promotion party will be back on after today's win.

BOOYEAH! Let's party like it's 06!

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by SteveRoyal » 17 Mar 2009 18:41

Just looking at the title again, and a thought came to my mind (it doesn't often happen!) - we do have progress. If we don't go up to the Premiership, but keep the same chairman, then we may end up seeing our academy progress.
How exciting would it be to see a team with an academy player in each defence, midfield and attack?
Home grown players are adored by clubs because of the sense of success with a decent youngster coming through the ranks.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Archie's penalty » 17 Mar 2009 18:43

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Royal Lady Yes. It would be if I hadn't already stated previously why I said that. Oh. Has Readingbedding posted since Saturday? Or is he too busy planning the PROFLomotion PaROFLty?


The promotion party will be back on after today's win.

BOOYEAH! Let's party like it's 06!


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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Schards#2 » 05 Apr 2009 18:48

Sebastian Come back Schards, all is forgiven


There's nothing left to add.

Unless some saddos want to eat some virtual humble pie.

Unlikely

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by crossie » 05 Apr 2009 18:49

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Sebastian Come back Schards, all is forgiven


There's nothing left to add.

Unless some saddos want to eat some virtual humble pie.

Unlikely

I'd like some pie :?

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by papereyes » 05 Apr 2009 19:54

I made pie today

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by AthleticoSpizz » 05 Apr 2009 19:57

papereyes I made pie today
Hair (sp) pie


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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Archie's penalty » 05 Apr 2009 19:58

papereyes I made pie today


On such a glorious Manc Sunday? I avoided work like it was the plague that swept through Egypt...

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by papereyes » 05 Apr 2009 20:03

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papereyes I made pie today


On such a glorious Manc Sunday? I avoided work like it was the plague that swept through Egypt...


Oh, I went for a run (http://www.mapmyrun.com/route/gb/manche ... 4314461837)

And then I went shopping

And then I had a walk around the back streets of Ancoats

And then I listened to the football and started to write a talk

And now I'm watching BBC 2

Not dull, rather inspiring - and I avoided watching Reading. We lost on Sat so we're currently 2nd but 3 teams have 3, 3 or 4 games to catch up with us. We could fall to 4th on goal difference. :cry:

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Archie's penalty » 05 Apr 2009 20:07

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papereyes I made pie today


On such a glorious Manc Sunday? I avoided work like it was the plague that swept through Egypt...


Oh, I went for a run (http://www.mapmyrun.com/route/gb/manche ... 4314461837)

And then I went shopping

And then I had a walk around the back streets of Ancoats

And then I listened to the football and started to write a talk

And now I'm watching BBC 2

Not dull, rather inspiring - and I avoided watching Reading. We lost on Sat so we're currently 2nd but 3 teams have 3, 3 or 4 games to catch up with us. We could fall to 4th on goal difference. :cry:


You certainly did well not to come to the game on Saturday that's for sure. The most dull and uninspiring performance of the 7 games I've watched this season.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by CMRoyal » 06 Apr 2009 10:07

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Sebastian Come back Schards, all is forgiven


There's nothing left to add.

Unless some saddos want to eat some virtual humble pie.

Unlikely


Following your earlier advice to wait to see where things stand at the end of the season, perhaps?

It'll be worth revisiting the initial post at the end of May - I was 100% behind it when it was made, and many of the worst fears have been realised, but I don't think it's completely been vindicated; the fire sale in particular never happened. In fact, we actually had some damaged goods returned to us. I wonder if that was the final straw for our hopes of automatic promotion.


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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by papereyes » 06 Apr 2009 11:31

Our form was pretty pish before then, to be fair.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by CMRoyal » 06 Apr 2009 13:57

papereyes Our form was pretty pish before then, to be fair.


Aye, which is why I said it could be the final straw. Many a straw was already burdening our camel of a team...or something.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Thaumagurist* » 09 Apr 2009 13:54

Sebastian Have we decided who has won this argument yet, then?


We won't know until the end of the season.

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by brendywendy » 09 Apr 2009 14:08

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Sebastian Come back Schards, all is forgiven


There's nothing left to add.

Unless some saddos want to eat some virtual humble pie.

Unlikely


Following your earlier advice to wait to see where things stand at the end of the season, perhaps?

It'll be worth revisiting the initial post at the end of May - I was 100% behind it when it was made, and many of the worst fears have been realised, but I don't think it's completely been vindicated; the fire sale in particular never happened. In fact, we actually had some damaged goods returned to us. I wonder if that was the final straw for our hopes of automatic promotion.


considering schards was saying wed be lucky to make midtable i think we can already confirm that he was wrong

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by CMRoyal » 09 Apr 2009 14:13

Some things we do already know:-

a) we have had a reasonable stab at an immediate return to the Prem
b) we didn't lose £10m worth of player in January
c) we did only get about £1m worth of player in in January
d) there have been many dull and uninspiring performances

Points to be argued about ad infinitum:-

e) that January was spent fretting about losing players whilst our rivals strengthened
f) how forseeably far the future is

Still in "time will tell" mode:-

g) we won't get autopromotion
h) we'll probably not make the playoffs
i) we won't be promoted even if we do
j) Coppell may well leave at the end of the season
k) we won't find a reasonable replacement for him
l) Mr Madejski is unwilling to invest in our long term future

Unresolvable?:-

m) that it's been a wasted season



Did I miss anything?

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by brendywendy » 09 Apr 2009 14:24

close this thread!

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Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

by Hampshire Royal » 09 Apr 2009 15:48

Schards has said that he wants people to 'eat humble pie'. Why? All I and a few others have done is to support our team and always hope for the best for them. That, in my opinion, is what being a fan is all about. What's the point in being a fan of a football club and always expecting the worst from them?

I know things aren't perfect at the moment, but if we get promotion this season - which is still possible - all the poor performances will be forgotten, in the same way that the poor performances in 05/06 are forgotten. If we don't get promoted, then come the start of next season, the old optimism will return and will be increased or decreased depending on results (not performances).

I refuse to accept that I am wrong in wanting the best for and from my club, and being eternally optimistic about their prospects. Eat humble pie for daring to support my team? What a stupid thing to say.

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