by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 17:56
by rg6royal » 05 Jul 2009 18:15
by winchester_royal » 05 Jul 2009 18:17
by Thames » 05 Jul 2009 18:25
by Ian Royal » 05 Jul 2009 18:26
by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 18:37
Ian Royal As a long time detractor of Long I think it's totally incorrect to say he was making the same old mistakes at the end of the season. The reason he started scoring regularly is because he stopped making so many mistakes and improved his touch.
Long will score more goals than Church. Whether either will have a big impact I'm unsure on.
by PEARCEY » 05 Jul 2009 18:51
Thames Agree with Winchester.
I'm an avid follower of Wales/Wales U21's and have to say Church is a very good player but doesn't score enough goals. His scoring record for Wales U21's is fantastic but alot of that is down to quality supply by Aaron Ramsey and getting onto flick on's by target man Sam Vokes.
He works abit 'too hard' if you see where I'm coming from...he won't get you many tap in's and he's the man chasing the ball to prevent goal kicks, throw in's etc. As a result, he isn't in the box too much.
by starbug » 05 Jul 2009 19:04
winchester_royal Long will destroy the mostly crap opposition in pre-season. It's when we get to the better teams that his lack of touch starts to show.
by Royalwaster » 05 Jul 2009 19:05
PEARCEYThames Agree with Winchester.
I'm an avid follower of Wales/Wales U21's and have to say Church is a very good player but doesn't score enough goals. His scoring record for Wales U21's is fantastic but alot of that is down to quality supply by Aaron Ramsey and getting onto flick on's by target man Sam Vokes.
He works abit 'too hard' if you see where I'm coming from...he won't get you many tap in's and he's the man chasing the ball to prevent goal kicks, throw in's etc. As a result, he isn't in the box too much.
Fair comment about Aaron Ramsey's service although one of Church's goals against England U21's was superbly taken.
Its still very early for Church but next season he should get some first team starts.
by Smoking Kills Dancing Doe » 05 Jul 2009 19:15
by rhroyal » 05 Jul 2009 19:21
Agreed on what you say on Long. He had potential but wasn't ready for the Premiership.Smoking Kills Dancing Doe It's Long's last chance this season to prove that he can do it week in week out for Reading. I still think his development was stunted by Coppell's refusal to sign a striker in the Premiership, Long was stuck playing a terrible standard of reserve football against kids, when he should have been out on loan for two seasons. I believe we'd have a much better player on our hands, if he developed that confidence and experience away from Reading.
Not sure about Church, thrown in against Burnley where he looked out of depth, but what else would you expect? His loan record is poor, he's not a goal scorer it seems and I don't think is good enough to play wide. If we sign another striker and play 451, I'm not sure how much we will see of Church.
by Ian Royal » 05 Jul 2009 19:27
DeathyIan Royal As a long time detractor of Long I think it's totally incorrect to say he was making the same old mistakes at the end of the season. The reason he started scoring regularly is because he stopped making so many mistakes and improved his touch.
Long will score more goals than Church. Whether either will have a big impact I'm unsure on.
But he was. He weighed in with a couple of goals, but he was still giving needless balls away and still required 2-3 touches to bring the ball under control.
What I do like about him though is his heading ability, and he can jump too! But with the ball at his feet, he always looks nervy.
There is no better man than Brendan Rodgers to get the best from Church, and to develop him further! Same for Long, but Long must deliver this season.
by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 19:29
Ian RoyalDeathyIan Royal As a long time detractor of Long I think it's totally incorrect to say he was making the same old mistakes at the end of the season. The reason he started scoring regularly is because he stopped making so many mistakes and improved his touch.
Long will score more goals than Church. Whether either will have a big impact I'm unsure on.
But he was. He weighed in with a couple of goals, but he was still giving needless balls away and still required 2-3 touches to bring the ball under control.
What I do like about him though is his heading ability, and he can jump too! But with the ball at his feet, he always looks nervy.
There is no better man than Brendan Rodgers to get the best from Church, and to develop him further! Same for Long, but Long must deliver this season.
Not in the games I saw he wasn't
by Ian Royal » 05 Jul 2009 19:31
by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 19:47
Ian Royal No, and you're the only one I've seen saying he was making the same mistakes. The majority I saw saying anything said his touch was much improved.
by Ian Royal » 05 Jul 2009 19:48
by rg6royal » 05 Jul 2009 19:49
by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 19:57
Ian Royal You really are so very tiresome.
by RobRoyal » 05 Jul 2009 19:58
rg6royal Long lacks match practise.
by Deathy » 05 Jul 2009 20:33