STAR AGM on Thursday

[Royal Lady]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

[ZacNaloen]

Given that Rodgers has said that failing to sign Smith made money available for other signings, that could mean that at best Rasiak and Smith were plan B and at worse were panic buys after Pompey promptly put their money where their mouth was and didn't try to jerk Watford around in the hope of getting the player cheap.

Surely that means it made money available for the other 3 signings he now wants to make, not for Rasiak and Mcanuff?

[Ian Royal]

Just on a point of semantics, the statement made by the club would still be true if discussions on signing Rasiak and McAnuff only began after Pompey threw their hat into the ring, as the Smith deal was only 'gazumped' once signatures were on paper.

Given that Rodgers has said that failing to sign Smith made money available for other signings, that could mean that at best Rasiak and Smith were plan B and at worse were panic buys after Pompey promptly put their money where their mouth was and didn't try to jerk Watford around in the hope of getting the player cheap.

I got the impression that these deals have been discussed before/during the Tommy Smith debacle and that they would have been added alongside Smith.

Rodgers' comment about the Smith cash relates to the "two or three" additional signings that we might now make, doesn't it?

THats my impression

[TheMaraudingDog]

Did everyone at STAR just nod heads, say yes to each other and call an end to the meeting?

[susieroyal]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

+1.

If you are a member of STAR do you get this info anyway, for those that could not make it to the forum?

[weybridgewanderer]

Did everyone at STAR just nod heads, say yes to each other and call an end to the meeting?

If that is what you think happens, join star, go to the meeting and make sure it doesn't

its easy to hide behind a keyboard

[TFF]

Did everyone at STAR just nod heads, say yes to each other and call an end to the meeting?

Yes

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[Royal Lady]

Did everyone at STAR just nod heads, say yes to each other and call an end to the meeting?

If that is what you think happnes, join star, go to the meeting and make sure it doesn't

its easy to hide behind a keyboard

He's a Man Utd fan. He doesn't care what happens at STAR or anywhere else, he just likes being a WUM!

[Mr Angry]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

[Ian Royal]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

Because his agent was stiring trouble about non-existent bids and we were trying to keep him happy by improving his contract - presumably to a wage closer to his prem one, and probably dropping his release clause as well.

Clearly it didn't really work.

[Dirk Gently]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

I'm guessing, but it may be that the Feb contract changes were more to do with bonuses for wins and promotion than basic salary.

Agree completely about the contrast between Shunt & Doyle. Although KD may have felt the same, he kept it to himself. It may be significant that he's one of the few footballers without an agent - he has solititors etc for drawing up contracts etc, but not an agent as such who's income if derived from his own.

[Ian Royal]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

I'm guessing, but it may be that the Feb contract changes were more to do with bonuses for wins and promotion than basic salary.

Agree completely about the contrast between Shunt & Doyle. Although KD may have felt the same, he kept it to himself. It may be significant that he's one of the few footballers without an agent - he has solititors etc for drawing up contracts etc, but not an agent as such who's income if derived from his own.

I like Doyle more and more.

[Deathy]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

I'm guessing, but it may be that the Feb contract changes were more to do with bonuses for wins and promotion than basic salary.

Agree completely about the contrast between Shunt & Doyle. Although KD may have felt the same, he kept it to himself. It may be significant that he's one of the few footballers without an agent - he has solititors etc for drawing up contracts etc, but not an agent as such who's income if derived from his own.

I like Doyle more and more.

+1 and Hunt less. Horrible little charachter.

[RoyalBlue]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

I'm sorry but I can't help thinking that all this cloak and dagger, 'no press' nonsense is just a PR charade intended to make the attendees feel important in the belief that they are hearing privileged information.

Anyone who knows anything about normal human nature knows that if you want to keep something secret, there is no way that you can announce it to 100+ people in confidence!! It doesn't matter how much you urge those hearing the information to keep it confidential. In fact the more you stress the importantance of confidentiality, the greater the temptation/urge of a majority of recipients to let a few of their nearest and dearest in on the information - 'I've heard something really interesting, I'm not meant to tell anyone so if I tell you, you mustn't tell anyone'. Who on this board has never had anyone say these or very similar words to them?!

So of 100 people attending at least 50 tell at least one other person, at least 25 of them tell at least one other person etc. and so word starts to pass around. And before anyone bothers to do the maths and claim word of mouth doesn't spread very far, in reality I suspect far more than 50% pass on the secret and in most cases to two or more people. The juicier the secret the higher the dissemination rate.

[Dirk Gently]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

I'm sorry but I can't help thinking that all this cloak and dagger, 'no press' nonsense is just a PR charade intended to make the attendees feel important in the belief that they are hearing privileged information.

Anyone who knows anything about normal human nature knows that if you want to keep something secret, there is no way that you can announce it to 100+ people in confidence!! It doesn't matter how much you urge those hearing the information to keep it confidential. In fact the more you stress the importantance of confidentiality, the greater the temptation/urge of a majority of recipients to let a few of their nearest and dearest in on the information - 'I've heard something really interesting, I'm not meant to tell anyone so if I tell you, you mustn't tell anyone'. Who on this board has never had anyone say these or very similar words to them?!

So of 100 people attending at least 50 tell at least one other person, at least 25 of them tell at least one other person etc. and so word starts to pass around. And before anyone bothers to do the maths and claim word of mouth doesn't spread very far, in reality I suspect far more than 50% pass on the secret and in most cases to two or more people. The juicier the secret the higher the dissemination rate.

You're right in some ways, but at least it does slow down the rate of dissemination, and what is confidential today may be less relative and less sensitive in a few days (on Tuesday, for instance.)

[Schards#2]

Discussions on signing Rasiak and McAnuff were ongoing before the Smith deal was gazumped.

Good news. Should hopefully quieten the 'panic buy' brigade.

You don't expect anyone who has decided they are panic buys to listen to and believe what the club has said do you? Why do that when they can just make up their own mind based on their prejudice regardless of any evidence.

You don't expect the management to stand up and say that they pinned all they hopes on Smith and then ran out and grabbed the first two panic buys they could get their mitts on once they had been jilted do you? Why do that when you can make up your own mind based on your prejudice regardless of any evidence?

[Ian Royal]

So deciding we panic bought based on no evidence > than listening to a statement from the club and being smart enough to know we've been linked with both players for some time before the Smith deal went tits up?

You really are a funny one Schards.

[TFF]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

I'm sorry but I can't help thinking that all this cloak and dagger, 'no press' nonsense is just a PR charade intended to make the attendees feel important in the belief that they are hearing privileged information.

Anyone who knows anything about normal human nature knows that if you want to keep something secret, there is no way that you can announce it to 100+ people in confidence!! It doesn't matter how much you urge those hearing the information to keep it confidential. In fact the more you stress the importantance of confidentiality, the greater the temptation/urge of a majority of recipients to let a few of their nearest and dearest in on the information - 'I've heard something really interesting, I'm not meant to tell anyone so if I tell you, you mustn't tell anyone'. Who on this board has never had anyone say these or very similar words to them?!

So of 100 people attending at least 50 tell at least one other person, at least 25 of them tell at least one other person etc. and so word starts to pass around. And before anyone bothers to do the maths and claim word of mouth doesn't spread very far, in reality I suspect far more than 50% pass on the secret and in most cases to two or more people. The juicier the secret the higher the dissemination rate.

You're right in some ways, but at least it does slow down the rate of dissemination, and what is confidential today may be less relative and less sensitive in a few days (on Tuesday, for instance.)

There wasn't much of note anyway - in that respect it was a little disappointing.

We were told one player who is definitely in the team tomorrow. Another comment I took as a hint about another starter.

There were comments about the abilities/strengths of one or two players which I'm sure the club wouldn't want to get out in case they were twisted by the press to mean something they didn't intend.

We were given a sneak preview of the positions where we're still looking to strengthen. I say sneak preview because Brendan's blabbed anyway http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDet ... 50,00.html

[Vision]

re: SHunt being asked to stay another season etc. There is something here that doesn't make sense.

Why on Earth did they give him a new (and presumably) improved contract in Feb? Unless it was on the same money but lowering (or removing) the £5M bid clause?

RL is spot on with regard to how he played after Jan - now we know that he had been told he could go this Summer, it puts his performances (or lack of) in sharp contrast with Doyle's. Pretty disgraceful to be honest.

Very rare I disagree with you but I do on this one. I don't think Hunt's effort on the pitch altered at all. If it had he'd be even thicker than i thought he was, The better he played the better his options in terms of which Premiership club he could join. His form dipped for sure but then so did pretty much everyone elses. I just don't buy the "got new contact, couldn't be arsed" argument. It would actually be counter-productive.

Unless of course it was his plan all along to join Hull.

[RoyalBlue]

Cheers. Umm, any chance that person could email me a confidential email as to the replies - not to be repeated anywhere else?

I'm sorry but I can't help thinking that all this cloak and dagger, 'no press' nonsense is just a PR charade intended to make the attendees feel important in the belief that they are hearing privileged information.

Anyone who knows anything about normal human nature knows that if you want to keep something secret, there is no way that you can announce it to 100+ people in confidence!! It doesn't matter how much you urge those hearing the information to keep it confidential. In fact the more you stress the importantance of confidentiality, the greater the temptation/urge of a majority of recipients to let a few of their nearest and dearest in on the information - 'I've heard something really interesting, I'm not meant to tell anyone so if I tell you, you mustn't tell anyone'. Who on this board has never had anyone say these or very similar words to them?!

So of 100 people attending at least 50 tell at least one other person, at least 25 of them tell at least one other person etc. and so word starts to pass around. And before anyone bothers to do the maths and claim word of mouth doesn't spread very far, in reality I suspect far more than 50% pass on the secret and in most cases to two or more people. The juicier the secret the higher the dissemination rate.

You're right in some ways, but at least it does slow down the rate of dissemination, and what is confidential today may be less relative and less sensitive in a few days (on Tuesday, for instance.)

If anyone at the club revealed anything at the STAR meeting that might prejudice any transfer dealings, should the news break before Tuesday then I believe that they have an extremely naive faith in the discretion of the attendees to the extent that they really shouldn't be doing the job that they are in!

There wasn't much of note anyway - in that respect it was a little disappointing.

We were told one player who is definitely in the team tomorrow. Another comment I took as a hint about another starter.

There were comments about the abilities/strengths of one or two players which I'm sure the club wouldn't want to get out in case they were twisted by the press to mean something they didn't intend.

We were given a sneak preview of the positions where we're still looking to strengthen. I say sneak preview because Brendan's blabbed anyway http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDet ... 50,00.html

Case proven M'Lord!!