Are you happy with the current state of RFC?

[Ian Royal]

No-one likes being near the bottom of the table, but at least Rodgers has created a platform which we can build from in the future.
We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

TBH after all the change this summer, which was financially necessairy, it would have been unreasonable to expect more from the first couple of months.

The highlighted bit is, quite frankly, bollocks.

The only contentious bit is the last bit. It's unreasonable to expect us to be doing well, but it certainly isn't unreasonable to have expected us to perform better and have more points. Especially seeing as we should really have an additional 4 based solely on the poor management of the last two games.

[BanffshireRoyal]

We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

Football history is littered with relegated clubs that were too good to go down. We could well be next -that's assuming our team is too good to go down of course and I'm not convinced on that.

[Ian Royal]

We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

Football history is littered with relegated clubs that were too good to go down. We could well be next -that's assuming our team is too good to go down of course and I'm not convinced on that.

I can assure you our team is quite definitely good enough to go down.

[The Quiet Man]

Can't say I'm deliriously happy at the moment. For all the initial euphoria it is now kids and a few journeyman pros in the kind of mix that Southampton had last year. Hopefully we can do enough to stay out of the bottom three and we can start the long road to a new team but we will have to learns to win ugly if we are going to do it. SJM needs to decide if his heart is actually in it anymore and if so back the team otherwise it is back to where we were when we moved to the Madstad.

[winchester_royal]

No-one likes being near the bottom of the table, but at least Rodgers has created a platform which we can build from in the future.
We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

TBH after all the change this summer, which was financially necessairy, it would have been unreasonable to expect more from the first couple of months.

The highlighted bit is, quite frankly, bollocks.

The only contentious bit is the last bit. It's unreasonable to expect us to be doing well, but it certainly isn't unreasonable to have expected us to perform better and have more points. Especially seeing as we should really have an additional 4 based solely on the poor management of the last two games.

I disagree. But then again that's what a discussion board is all about. However for you to just sit there and say 'it's bollocks' and offer no reason for your disagreement is odd. So IR, why is what I say bollocks?

[Deathy]

I'm looking forward to some 'proper' away days next season in League 1.

Rusty tin > Shiny metal

[Alivey]

I'm VERY sad. I can barely sleep some nights because all I think about is football!!! I don't think my heart is it in it anymore because there is so much stuff happening that I really don't care about! All this drama it is so frustrating and sometimes I think I would be better off visiting Scours Lane and enjoying a nice local relaxing game of football!!

[Deathy]

I'm VERY sad. I can barely sleep some nights because all I think about is football!!! I don't think my heart is it in it anymore because there is so much stuff happening that I really don't care about! All this drama it is so frustrating and sometimes I think I would be better off visiting Scours Lane and enjoying a nice local relaxing game of football!!

Nice? Local? Game of football?

[Ian Royal]

Rather unspecific question there.

Am I happy with the results? No
Am I happy with the performances? No
Am I happy with the management? No
Am I happy with the players we have? Mostly yes.
Am I happy with the general principles the club is run under? Yes
Am I happy with the DoF & Chairman? Yes
I'm I happy with Rodgers being given a little more time? Yes

Are Hammond & Madejski not part of "the management" then ?

Not of the team no. That would be the manager and his coaches.

[Ian Royal]

No-one likes being near the bottom of the table, but at least Rodgers has created a platform which we can build from in the future.
We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

TBH after all the change this summer, which was financially necessairy, it would have been unreasonable to expect more from the first couple of months.

The highlighted bit is, quite frankly, bollocks.

The only contentious bit is the last bit. It's unreasonable to expect us to be doing well, but it certainly isn't unreasonable to have expected us to perform better and have more points. Especially seeing as we should really have an additional 4 based solely on the poor management of the last two games.

I disagree. But then again that's what a discussion board is all about. However for you to just sit there and say 'it's bollocks' and offer no reason for your disagreement is odd. So IR, why is what I say bollocks?

How can you be building a platform when you are the reason the team is under performing? He's made some good signings, but the ones in the area we most need them have been poor so far and not enough.

His approach to the season has not been good enough, treating it as part of preseason. Getting a good start is absolutely crucial and Forest was treated like a training session. Consistency of starting XI and tactics is also crucial, especially with so many new signings and such a new look squad, tactics and overall style.

He's fairly quickly abandoned his passing football and never delivered on the attacking bit in the first place.

His substitutions have been poor and he shows a total inability to address the major weaknesses or and settle on a formation and line up. Even 11 competitive games into the season.

Being too good on paper to go down doesn't stop you going down. As many teams have found out. Performing the way we are we certainly aren't too good to go down. Even on paper.

It most certainly can get worse, and at least stay this bad. For every step forward we take at least one step back.

We may not have been scoring so much earlier on, but at least we weren't surrendering the initiative in games so badly.

Nothing I haven't said elsewhere.

[Ian Royal]

I'm looking forward to some 'proper' away days next season in League 1.

Rusty tin > Shiny metal

Should have gone to P'boro then shouldn't you. Loser.

[brendywendy]

ive seen steady improvements, but huge inconsistancies

ive seen some of the best football ive seen for a couple of years, some of it bordering on th ebest ive seen at Reading, but some criminally naive football, and a criminal ammount of heads dropping.

ive seen some very good players signed, and some average ones, but crucially seen too much of the experience and quality we already had sold off, and IMO cheaply in the case of doyler, and too soon in the case of doobs and marcus

i reckon we'll turn it round, and start to look very good post xmas, which is more than enough time to get us out of this mess
im not sure if its the players , or the coach, or a combination
but theyre inexpreienced together so am willing to give them till then




in terms of ownership, and financial management i couldnt be happier

[Big Foot]

Rather unspecific question there.

Am I happy with the results? No
Am I happy with the performances? No
Am I happy with the management? No
Am I happy with the players we have? Mostly yes.
Am I happy with the general principles the club is run under? Yes
Am I happy with the DoF & Chairman? Yes
I'm I happy with Rodgers being given a little more time? Yes

Are Hammond & Madejski not part of "the management" then ?

Not of the team no. That would be the manager and his coaches.

But this is a thread about the state of RFC, not the team.

Therefore Madejski and Hammond are the management team. How can you be happy at being raped by SJM?

[Ian Royal]

Because I think they're running the club pretty darn well. It's the on the pitch running of the club that is shit. That's the manager and coaches role. The team is part of RFC and the question is extremely vague.

Are you dense? It's quite an easy concept, even if you don't agree with it.

[Alivey]

We are 24 million in debt and have sold all our best players, once Madejski goes, we can easily be the next Darlington..

[Big Foot]

Madejski and Hammond surely have to take a greater responsibility however?

Madejski made his first cardinal sin by keeping Coppell when we got relegated. He had CLEARLY reached the end of his shelf life and needed replacing then.

Secondly he didn't make enough funds available last season or push Coppell to strengthen in the correct areas. To say we "broke the bank" going for promotion, he sounds like a father telling his child a cock & ball story to get the child to believe him. Very weak.

Thirdly I would say Rodgers wasn't the right man to appoint. We needed to get a manager with a stronger presence and greater man management experience, especially as Madejski knew this was going to be a "transitional period" and with such a young squad, heads would drop very easily. I'm not saying Barry Fry was the man for the job! But Rodgers has shown his poor man management skills in his handling of Harper & Matejovsky (to a lesser extent) as well as not being able to pick a consistent side.

Hammond also comes into this as he has shown with Coppell & Rodgers poor nouse in the transfer market. Fae & Halford are two immediate instances from the Coppell regime of poor identification of the right personnel. Then there's Jay Tabb from last season, signed him without knowing what his best position is and saturating a squad further across midfield when we needed someone to stick the ball in the back of the bloody net. Finally, this transfer window just gone - the Tommy Smith debacle is well documented enough. Why did we sign Mills? We knew he hadn't had a pre-season and already had cover in those positions so; particularly when "funds are tight" and the "cloth is being cut" why was the money not spent on (AGAIN) buying someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net?

End of prosecution.



Madejski OUT.

[weybridgewanderer]

No-one likes being near the bottom of the table, but at least Rodgers has created a platform which we can build from in the future.

We are only going to get better, on paper we have a team that is too good to go down, and there are a number of talented youngsters coming through, learning through experience.

TBH after all the change this summer, which was financially necessairy, it would have been unreasonable to expect more from the first couple of months.

what platform has he created exactly? A squad of young players that aren't sure what they are doing because he changes style eveyr 30 minutes and are losing confidence week by week?

as confidence gets bettered every week I do not expect us to get better, we could get worse

too good to go down? lol! newcastle had a team that, on paper, was too good to go down, as did leeds, twice.

[Ian Royal]

Madejski and Hammond surely have to take a greater responsibility however?

Disagree

Madejski made his first cardinal sin by keeping Coppell when we got relegated. He had CLEARLY reached the end of his shelf life and needed replacing then.

Disagree

Secondly he didn't make enough funds available last season or push Coppell to strengthen in the correct areas.

Disagree. Funds available, Coppell's decision where and how to strengthern. I'm rather glad our Chairman doesn't try to stick his oar in given how well that's gone elsewhere.

Thirdly I would say Rodgers wasn't the right man to appoint. We needed to get a manager with a stronger presence and greater man management experience, especially as Madejski knew this was going to be a "transitional period" and with such a young squad, heads would drop very easily. I'm not saying Barry Fry was the man for the job! But Rodgers has shown his poor man management skills in his handling of Harper & Matejovsky (to a lesser extent) as well as not being able to pick a consistent side.

Easy to say with hindsight. Most our fans were extremely positive about Rodgers joining.

Hammond also comes into this as he has shown with Coppell & Rodgers poor nouse in the transfer market. Fae & Halford are two immediate instances from the Coppell regime of poor identification of the right personnel. Then there's Jay Tabb from last season, signed him without knowing what his best position is and saturating a squad further across midfield when we needed someone to stick the ball in the back of the bloody net. Finally, this transfer window just gone - the Tommy Smith debacle is well documented enough. Why did we sign Mills? We knew he hadn't had a pre-season and already had cover in those positions so; particularly when "funds are tight" and the "cloth is being cut" why was the money not spent on (AGAIN) buying someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net?

For every example of a poor signing you come up with I can come up with a good or great signing. Very few clubs get a high proportion of truely successful signings.

Fae & Halford have shown they were good players since. Just not right for us. It happens. Coppell takes the blame for not signing the right players in the right position. His responsibility, not the man who negotiates the deal. We've not missed out on many signings we had a right to expect to get. That suggests Hammond is pretty good at his job IMO.

I think you should probably wait more than 9 games before writing off the Mills signing.

End of prosecution.

The defence rests comfortable in the knowledge it has blown the prosecution's case out of the water, for anyone actually willing to consider the case objectively and not just pick the side they thought was right in the first place anyway.

[Alivey]

Madejski and Hammond surely have to take a greater responsibility however?

Madejski made his first cardinal sin by keeping Coppell when we got relegated. He had CLEARLY reached the end of his shelf life and needed replacing then.

Secondly he didn't make enough funds available last season or push Coppell to strengthen in the correct areas. To say we "broke the bank" going for promotion, he sounds like a father telling his child a cock & ball story to get the child to believe him. Very weak.

Thirdly I would say Rodgers wasn't the right man to appoint. We needed to get a manager with a stronger presence and greater man management experience, especially as Madejski knew this was going to be a "transitional period" and with such a young squad, heads would drop very easily. I'm not saying Barry Fry was the man for the job! But Rodgers has shown his poor man management skills in his handling of Harper & Matejovsky (to a lesser extent) as well as not being able to pick a consistent side.

Hammond also comes into this as he has shown with Coppell & Rodgers poor nouse in the transfer market. Fae & Halford are two immediate instances from the Coppell regime of poor identification of the right personnel. Then there's Jay Tabb from last season, signed him without knowing what his best position is and saturating a squad further across midfield when we needed someone to stick the ball in the back of the bloody net. Finally, this transfer window just gone - the Tommy Smith debacle is well documented enough. Why did we sign Mills? We knew he hadn't had a pre-season and already had cover in those positions so; particularly when "funds are tight" and the "cloth is being cut" why was the money not spent on (AGAIN) buying someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net?

End of prosecution.



Madejski OUT.

Agreed 100%. Well said.

[Alivey]

Madejski and Hammond surely have to take a greater responsibility however?

Disagree

Madejski made his first cardinal sin by keeping Coppell when we got relegated. He had CLEARLY reached the end of his shelf life and needed replacing then.

Disagree

Secondly he didn't make enough funds available last season or push Coppell to strengthen in the correct areas.

Disagree. Funds available, Coppell's decision where and how to strengthern. I'm rather glad our Chairman doesn't try to stick his oar in given how well that's gone elsewhere.

Thirdly I would say Rodgers wasn't the right man to appoint. We needed to get a manager with a stronger presence and greater man management experience, especially as Madejski knew this was going to be a "transitional period" and with such a young squad, heads would drop very easily. I'm not saying Barry Fry was the man for the job! But Rodgers has shown his poor man management skills in his handling of Harper & Matejovsky (to a lesser extent) as well as not being able to pick a consistent side.

Easy to say with hindsight. Most our fans were extremely positive about Rodgers joining.

Hammond also comes into this as he has shown with Coppell & Rodgers poor nouse in the transfer market. Fae & Halford are two immediate instances from the Coppell regime of poor identification of the right personnel. Then there's Jay Tabb from last season, signed him without knowing what his best position is and saturating a squad further across midfield when we needed someone to stick the ball in the back of the bloody net. Finally, this transfer window just gone - the Tommy Smith debacle is well documented enough. Why did we sign Mills? We knew he hadn't had a pre-season and already had cover in those positions so; particularly when "funds are tight" and the "cloth is being cut" why was the money not spent on (AGAIN) buying someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net?

For every example of a poor signing you come up with I can come up with a good or great signing. Very few clubs get a high proportion of truely successful signings.

Fae & Halford have shown they were good players since. Just not right for us. It happens. Coppell takes the blame for not signing the right players in the right position. His responsibility, not the man who negotiates the deal. We've not missed out on many signings we had a right to expect to get. That suggests Hammond is pretty good at his job IMO.

I think you should probably wait more than 9 games before writing off the Mills signing.

End of prosecution.

The defence rests comfortable in the knowledge it has blown the prosecution's case out of the water, for anyone actually willing to consider the case objectively and not just pick the side they thought was right in the first place anyway.

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