"Vile chanting"

[prostak]

Yawn, over PC society that we live in. A group of people complain about a word, it grows... then becomes outlawed.

Paki is short for pakstani, how is that offensive? Brit is short for British. Shall we all kick off about this and get this outlawed as well, just to be difficult?

What a shock, the Rangers fan takes a deliberately contrary view over racial slurs. Right now you're on a par with Bruce Forsyth for cultural sensitivity, congratulations.
It's morons like you, refusing to acknowledge semantic weight in such terms by parroting faux-naive trite like 'it's only half of the proper word', that help to maintain divisive attitudes far better than the BNP ever could. In many ways I've more respect for proper, violent racists than worms like that - at least the thugs have the balls to admit they just plain don't like brown people.

[FiNeRaIn]

I hear a lot of noise, but not many words coming out buddy. Its people like you who have taken away free speech from a once proud country.

I don't hate anyone, skin colour means nothing to me. There are various religions I don't like, but thats MY RIGHT. I think most religious people are idiots, Christians included.

You just make yourself look like an idiot after your first line so I stopped reading it properly. As for respecting violent racists, you've completely destroyed your whole argument...you weirdo.

Just realised you are a st.pauli fan LOL. For a real club, have a look at Hamburg - top support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KAjHAH6-VQ

[prostak]

So if you stopped reading properly after the first line, how can you pass comment on my 'whole argument' - even to the extent of paraphrasing part of it?

[FiNeRaIn]

So if you stopped reading properly after the first line, how can you pass comment on my 'whole argument' - even to the extent of paraphrasing part of it?

Skimming through.

[Ian Royal]

Yawn, over PC society that we live in. A group of people complain about a word, it grows... then becomes outlawed.

Paki is short for pakstani, how is that offensive? Brit is short for British. Shall we all kick off about this and get this outlawed as well, just to be difficult?

"Paki" is not used to describe solely Pakistanis, but those of almost any asian descent. It also has a hell of a lot of oppressive baggage attached to it.

The British have not been conquered, oppressed, exploited and treated as second class citizens for decades by those of another race.

Brit is not used to refer to anyone of White Northern European descent, it is a term which refers to someone of a specific nation, not a racial judgement and does not have extensive negative connotations.

Context is key. You are a prick.

[FiNeRaIn]

Ian royal thinks im a prick, should I be offended?

The reading man who comments on games he never goes too, do you even live in england or are you once again commenting from the outside?

You make a good post, then spoil it with a juvenile insult at the end, seems to be the common trend on HNA at the moment - guess you are trying to be part of the It crowd.

Paki is offensive, I don't dispute that. I personally don't use it. Due to the ignorance of a section of society using it in an offensive manner its spoilt the term for everyone. However, you mention context - du beke did not use it in an agressive or offensive context and this is EVERYTHING to do with the incident. Yet the over PC society is rising off one comment between friends and a s**t storm is erupted, it makes me sick. The girl wasnt even offended, the masses don't have a right to poke their noses in and start playing judge and jury, it was a conversation between friends. Why is everyone getting involved?

[Ian Royal]

Ian royal thinks im a prick, should I be offended?

The reading man who comments on games he never goes too, do you even live in england or are you once again commenting from the outside?

You make a good post, then spoil it with a juvenile insult at the end, seems to be the common trend on HNA at the moment - guess you are trying to be part of the It crowd.

Paki is offensive, I don't dispute that. I personally don't use it. Due to the ignorance of a section of society using it in an offensive manner its spoilt the term for everyone. However, you mention context - du beke did not use it in an agressive or offensive context and this is EVERYTHING to do with the incident. Yet the over PC society is rising off one comment between friends and a s**t storm is erupted, it makes me sick. The girl wasnt even offended, the masses don't have a right to poke their noses in and start playing judge and jury, it was a conversation between friends. Why is everyone getting involved?

The word is now inherantly racist and any therefore the context he was using it in, ie not discussing the term, but essentially saying someone looked like one, was racist. Inadvertantly so, but totally inappropriate.

Not that it is the Public's business, because as far as I'm aware it was not broadcast.

[Royal With Cheese]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Anyone who uses Paki as a vague racist term to encompass most of Asia is too stupid for us to pay any sort of attention to.

[Archie's penalty]

Still think my post about the different words for Jew in Poland and Russia is the best on here...

[FiNeRaIn]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Tell them if they don't like it - they can always get out of britain and go to the republic.

[Royal With Cheese]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Tell them if they don't like it - they can always get out of britain and go to the republic.

And there's the ironic thing. Ireland as an Island, the Republic and Northern Ireland have never been part of Britain per se. Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. They were/are part of the UK though. That's why your UK passport is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. Before partition it was the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”.

[Ian Royal]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Anyone who uses Paki as a vague racist term to encompass most of Asia is too stupid for us to pay any sort of attention to.

Can't be racist, Britain and the British are a nation, not a race. You don't see anyone using Brit as a derogatory term for someone who's French, Irish, Swedish, American or German do you...

Of course anyone who uses it like that is stupid. Doesn't mean you should ignore it and hope it'll go away.

[Thaumagurist*]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Tell them if they don't like it - they can always get out of britain and go to the republic.

And there's the ironic thing. Ireland as an Island, the Republic and Northern Ireland have never been part of Britain per se. Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. They were/are part of the UK though. That's why your UK passport is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. Before partition it was the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”.

You're, of course, right. However, Ireland is still part of the British Isles.

[FiNeRaIn]

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Can't be racist, Britain and the British are a nation, not a race. You don't see anyone using Brit as a derogatory term for someone who's French, Irish, Swedish, American or German do you...

" fvcking brit" is racist - simple. If they were a "fvcking nob" thats just an insult, but, they are bringing his heritage into it. Xenohpobic, racism, call it what you want - its a whole different level to calling someone a prat.

[Royal With Cheese]

You're, of course, right. However, Ireland is still part of the British Isles.

Not if the Free Staters get their way. They've been campaigning to have that reference removed from the international map!

[Royal With Cheese]

I get the odd Brit comment over here. It's definately said in a racist manner.

Anyone who uses Paki as a vague racist term to encompass most of Asia is too stupid for us to pay any sort of attention to.

Can't be racist, Britain and the British are a nation, not a race. You don't see anyone using Brit as a derogatory term for someone who's French, Irish, Swedish, American or German do you...

Of course anyone who uses it like that is stupid. Doesn't mean you should ignore it and hope it'll go away.

Sorry Ian, It can and it is.

[Ian Royal]

It isn't. It can be xenophobia or whatever nation equivalent of racism is. But it can't be racism, because the British aren't a race.

Nigger is a derived from Niger iirc so doesn't apply to all black people, but is used as such.
Paki is derived from Pakistani, a nation, but is generally used for anyone descended from that part of asia.

Two clear instances of racism.

As I've said, there is no history of Brits being oppressed by the race using the term in a derogatory way. Mainly because we haven't been oppressed and those using it aren't a different race.

Nationalistic rivalry and dislike =/= racism.

Frogs is not racist when used in association with the French. It may be derogatory and offensive though.

[Royal With Cheese]

It isn't. It can be xenophobia or whatever nation equivalent of racism is. But it can't be racism, because the British aren't a race.

Nigger is a derived from Niger iirc so doesn't apply to all black people, but is used as such.
Paki is derived from Pakistani, a nation, but is generally used for anyone descended from that part of asia.

Two clear instances of racism.

As I've said, there is no history of Brits being oppressed by the race using the term in a derogatory way. Mainly because we haven't been oppressed and those using it aren't a different race.

Nationalistic rivalry and dislike =/= racism.

Frogs is not racist when used in association with the French. It may be derogatory and offensive though.

Ian the Irish have always viewed the Brisith as a race, despite your persistance with semantics that's just the case.

Your two examples illustrate how wrong you are. They are sloppy words, used incorrectly to group people together for convenient bigotry - just as Brit is in Ireland.

I should know, I've lived in Belfast long enough to understand what poeple mean when they say it.

Anyway, in the great tradition of HNA we'll just agree to disagree.

[ZacNaloen]

Christ, it's just Bigotism.


Racism refers specifically to what Race you are. It's a very specific phrase, referring to a very specific type of Bigotism. That being based on race.

Paki is racist because anyone from South Asia was getting called it, the racists weren't discriminating based on country of origin but by the colour of skin of the people they were scared of and paki was the word chosen.


"oxf*rd Brit" is not racist. It's just Bigoted.

The ignorance of the Irish who think British is a race and how much venom they put into such comments is irrelevent.

It's not like Xenophobia is in any way more acceptable than Racism.

[Thaumagurist*]

Nigger is a derived from Niger iirc so doesn't apply to all black people, but is used as such.

Wrong. Nigger is the latin word for black.

Or nearly: http://www.aaregistry.com/african_ameri ... ef_history