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Re: Back from Plymouth

by RoyalBlue » 29 Dec 2009 10:51

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You must be loving Rodgers' dismissal. It means you can spend the rest of eternity shouting that he would have saved us and gloriously led us to Champions League victory within 5 years rather than suffer the ultimate humiliation of watching your new hero lead us into League One as was actually likely to happen.

And still is likely to happen unless God is a fan or RFC.



Looking that way at the moment, but there's still 22 games left and a transfer window to play with.


You missed the Hapless Hammond interview then?

Outgoings but no incoming players is really going to help further strengthen the squad to avoid relegation!

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by kwik-silva » 29 Dec 2009 10:53

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rfcjoe My god, Ivar is horrrendously slow! And so is Pearce. Horrid.


I'm now officially in conspiracy mode after witnessing what must be the worst centre back pairing in the division finally collapse under the strain. If Mills isn't carrying a knock - and he doesn't seem to be - then the only reason I can surmise that he isn't playing ahead of poor old past it Ivar and the cumbersome Alex is that we are looking to offload him in January before appearance payments kick in. Add to that the fact that Marek, Kalifa and one or two others seem (quite rightly) to be looking longingly at the exit door that Hammond has gestured them towards, and that Jobi has lost his BR-inspired belief as quickly as he gained it, you can only conclude that we are in serious, serious trouble. I can only assume that the survival strategy is to invest the proceeds of the coming fire sale (yes, we might actually have a scenario that justifies that emotive term at last) in
third-rate scrappers who actually have something to gain by obtaining/maintaining tier two status. Is McDermott the man to effect this mid-season transition? No. I can't think of anyone who is off the top of my head. All I know is that this botched move has tested our patience to destruction. Our small protest is to give up on away matches until there is some indication at the top that they have a clue or a care where we are headed. I'm not holding my breath.


Are we allowed to offload him? With the whole Two clubs in one year thing? (I'm probably completely wrong, not entirely sure how it works :lol:)

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by RoyalBlue » 29 Dec 2009 10:56

Ian Royal Partnerships that work.

Ivar and Pearce too slow. So one of Cisse or Mills with Pearce. Or if you don't like Pearce, Cisse & Mills

Gunnarsson is not fit or fast enough to be a full back, so regardless of how shit he is Cummings is a better bet. So is Cisse. Or what about recalling Davies, if possible? He can certainly get up and down the pitch and has a little experience there.

I understand why we played Long instead of Rasiak today, but with Howard returning and Karacan available, and Plymouth confident after a win, we'd possibly have been better off in this game with one upfront and Kebe & McAnuff on the wings.

Karacan was one of our better performers early season yet has been nowhere. Why Cisse is ahead of him is anyone's guess. I'm assuming size and strength, but that really doesn't make up for the stupidity and lack of skill.

HRK isn't much of a striker, but he's produced a hell of a lot more than Long this season.

There is also the option of recalling and playing Mooney. A man who has at least scored and hasn't eaten all the pies.
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How many more times do people need to be told!! Mooney picked up a knee injury before Xmas and has been referred to a specialist!!

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by CMRoyal » 29 Dec 2009 11:00

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rfcjoe My god, Ivar is horrrendously slow! And so is Pearce. Horrid.


I'm now officially in conspiracy mode after witnessing what must be the worst centre back pairing in the division finally collapse under the strain. If Mills isn't carrying a knock - and he doesn't seem to be - then the only reason I can surmise that he isn't playing ahead of poor old past it Ivar and the cumbersome Alex is that we are looking to offload him in January before appearance payments kick in. Add to that the fact that Marek, Kalifa and one or two others seem (quite rightly) to be looking longingly at the exit door that Hammond has gestured them towards, and that Jobi has lost his BR-inspired belief as quickly as he gained it, you can only conclude that we are in serious, serious trouble. I can only assume that the survival strategy is to invest the proceeds of the coming fire sale (yes, we might actually have a scenario that justifies that emotive term at last) in
third-rate scrappers who actually have something to gain by obtaining/maintaining tier two status. Is McDermott the man to effect this mid-season transition? No. I can't think of anyone who is off the top of my head. All I know is that this botched move has tested our patience to destruction. Our small protest is to give up on away matches until there is some indication at the top that they have a clue or a care where we are headed. I'm not holding my breath.


Are we allowed to offload him? With the whole Two clubs in one year thing? (I'm probably completely wrong, not entirely sure how it works :lol:)


Possibly not now you mention it - so if my conspiracy theory is right, that makes it worse because it means he'll be warming the bench till the summer. I'm past caring to be honest.

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by Focher » 29 Dec 2009 11:33

RG30 Embarrasing display from start to finish, we're going down. That's the 7th league game this season we've conceaded 3 or more goals in a game. Whether the penalty was soft or not, time and time again (especially this season) we are gifting the opposition goals. Bertrand went missing today, Pearce and Ingimarsson simply not good enough. The goalkeeper doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. McAnuff now goes missing now his mentor Rodgers has dissapeared. Kebe not good enough consistently, Marek is wasted and the strikers will not score the goals to keep us up.

JM can moan all he likes about the size of our squad but quite simply the quality within is autrocious.

Credit to all the fans today who made the journey, they were a credit, even with some over the top stewarding.


yup, spot on.


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Re: Back from Plymouth

by Southbank Old Boy » 29 Dec 2009 12:17

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CMRoyal I'm now officially in conspiracy mode after witnessing what must be the worst centre back pairing in the division finally collapse under the strain. If Mills isn't carrying a knock - and he doesn't seem to be - then the only reason I can surmise that he isn't playing ahead of poor old past it Ivar and the cumbersome Alex is that we are looking to offload him in January before appearance payments kick in. Add to that the fact that Marek, Kalifa and one or two others seem (quite rightly) to be looking longingly at the exit door that Hammond has gestured them towards, and that Jobi has lost his BR-inspired belief as quickly as he gained it, you can only conclude that we are in serious, serious trouble. I can only assume that the survival strategy is to invest the proceeds of the coming fire sale (yes, we might actually have a scenario that justifies that emotive term at last) in
third-rate scrappers who actually have something to gain by obtaining/maintaining tier two status. Is McDermott the man to effect this mid-season transition? No. I can't think of anyone who is off the top of my head. All I know is that this botched move has tested our patience to destruction. Our small protest is to give up on away matches until there is some indication at the top that they have a clue or a care where we are headed. I'm not holding my breath.


Are we allowed to offload him? With the whole Two clubs in one year thing? (I'm probably completely wrong, not entirely sure how it works :lol:)


Possibly not now you mention it - so if my conspiracy theory is right, that makes it worse because it means he'll be warming the bench till the summer. I'm past caring to be honest.


Surely the rule is you cant play for more than two clubs in a season, Mills has only played for us :?

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by kwik-silva » 29 Dec 2009 12:23

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kwik-silva Are we allowed to offload him? With the whole Two clubs in one year thing? (I'm probably completely wrong, not entirely sure how it works :lol:)


Possibly not now you mention it - so if my conspiracy theory is right, that makes it worse because it means he'll be warming the bench till the summer. I'm past caring to be honest.


Surely the rule is you cant play for more than two clubs in a season, Mills has only played for us :?


I thought it was 12 months? Therefore he's already played for us and Doncaster? But as I said, I could be completely wrong

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by Southbank Old Boy » 29 Dec 2009 12:27

12 months as in a calendar year? Or a rolling 12 months/

I cant see it being a rolling 12 months, and if he goes in the Jan window then its a whole new year funnily enough :D

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by kwik-silva » 29 Dec 2009 12:33

hadn't even thought of it as a calender year :lol: We'll find out soon enough anyway


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Re: Back from Plymouth

by PEARCEY » 29 Dec 2009 13:42

RG30 The Mills situation is beyond belief. It's not the issue of the transfer sum that gets me wound up, but more the lack of opportunities he's had in recent weeks. Mills is a good player, he done well at Doncaster, is a ball playing defender and was very much a "Reading signing" ie. young, and the ability to play at a higher level similar to that like Sidwell etc. But when you hear the chairman and DOF say players have to go before we can sign, you question why we pushed the boat out on him. I appreciate he struggled with fitness after a summer operation but is he really worse than Inga/Pearce??? We need to sell before we buy, he'll be out of the club in January I'm convinced as he's one player with the ability to raise funds.



Yep I agree about Mills. We desperately lack pace at the back. Playing Pearce, Ivar and Gunnar in the back four is asking for trouble. Besides why is Gunnar playing at full-back? It shows what a mess this club is in at the moment. Total shambles.

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by weybridgewanderer » 29 Dec 2009 14:00

kwik-silva Surely the rule is you cant play for more than two clubs in a season, Mills has only played for us :?


I thought it was 12 months? Therefore he's already played for us and Doncaster? But as I said, I could be completely wrong[/quote]

You can play for 2 clubs, you can't play for a 3rd club.

So lets say we signed a player in August that had already played a competitive game for lets say Watford, we couldn't sell him in January.

If a player we bough in August from, lets say, doncastaer, had not kicked a ball for Doncaster in a competitve game, he could be sold on.

Exceptions can be sought and have been approved.

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by working class hero » 29 Dec 2009 14:29

Well I can't wait for a new manager. Mark Hughes would be good - always coped on a low budget at Rovers and can kick ass when players need it. :roll: :shock: :wink:

Yesterday was woeful. Apart from Sig nobody seemed to want to compete. Argyle were clearly up for a scrap and at the end were worth their win.

I know Mooney is injured but we should try him and Hal asap.

2 games in 3 days clearly stretched Boris and Ingi. We need to play a specialist RB as we are being exposed there far too easily. I would like to see a return for Armstrong too. We need some pace in CBs - possibly Mills and Pearce?

The middle is a problem area and I would like to see Sig and Jem in the middle woth Boris in a holding role and Jobi out wide.

As for keepers perhaps Hamer is worth a try too.

If we sell in Jan and do not buy I can certainly see relegation as a possibility and think the damage to Mr Mads asset value would far outstrip a [successful] investment in the window [but who can guarantee a big spend would keep us up?]

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by FiNeRaIn » 29 Dec 2009 14:32

working class hero Well I can't wait for a new manager. Mark Hughes would be good]


hahaha! Wouldn't mind kaka in midfield also.


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Re: Back from Plymouth

by weybridgewanderer » 29 Dec 2009 14:35

We need a proven goalscorer. Is Luca Toni available after he fell out with bayern?

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by handbags_harris » 29 Dec 2009 16:16

After internet problems AND Christmas to content with, and a careless attitude to reading the reat of the thread, I offer no apologies for possible duplicate comments here.

By far the worst performance of the season. We looked like a team who didn't want the fight, didn't want to really be there yesterday. It was, quite frankly, a bit of an embarrassment. Plymouth had scored twice in a game three times all season, they had fewer points at home than us, they hadn't scored three times in a game in all competitions all season, so to put four past us with such ease shows how inadequate the current crop of players is. This was the seventh time we have conceded more than three goals in a game, and the third time we have conceded four.

The Ingimarsson/Pearce partnership at the back is woefully inept and the same old mistakes keep cropping up. Ingimarsson has time and again shown himself to be a liability recently, and his decision and execution for the challenge for the penalty was embarrassing. Who was marking the guy for their second?! It's a set piece, it's six yards out, it's a free header! The third, nobody tracking the crosser! Bertrand at left back can happily make errors safe in the knowledge that he'll shift off back to Chelsea come season's end (letting the ball go between yourself and the post at a set piece is criminal IMO), and Bryn is, well, Bryn wherever he plays :roll:

After such a promising performance without the ball against Swansea, the midfield were just overwhelmed by bouyant Plymouth, although they hardly helped themselves by both finding themselves woefully out of position and totally failing to sufficiently track men time and again (for a great example of this, watch the third goal with Cisse keeping pace with the crosser, but actually running fully 10 yards away from him). McAnuff looked disinterested and ineffective again (see my new thread), although he did put in a decent cross for our goal. This was never going to be Marek's game and was rightfully subbed at half time. His free kick two minutes in set up his performance perfectly. Sigurdsson looked reasonable again and took his goal well, he has to start every game IMO. Cisse was back to the Cisse of old, lots of running and effort but only because he was woefully outfought and constantly found himself in the wrong position as opposition moves progressed.

The attack desperately needs new blood as Shane Long, I'm afraid, isn't particularly good and shows no sign of improving whatsoever. Simon Church was typical Simon Church, not a great first touch, not particularly strong, not particularly quick, not particularly fantastic in the air, and generally just not particularly good. Rasiak - why was he dropped? As if the big target man was not going to be neededin this of all games, where the ball was going to spend a good proportion of game time in the air!

I'm not quite sure what McDermott was thinking yesterday tbh, but more to the point I have no idea why the players weren't up for the scrap yesterday. 4-1 was not a flattering scoreline, it was perfectly justified. This was the worst performance I have seen in a long, long time, and certainly rivals that of the 5-1 defeat at Rotherham in February 2004, not forgetting the 1-0 defeat there a year later. It seems that we're steadily progressing back to where RFC's "traditional" place in the league is, the third rung of English football. Still, I have some new grounds down there that need doing. That's a bonus :roll:

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by Ian Royal » 29 Dec 2009 17:57

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Ivar and Pearce too slow. So one of Cisse or Mills with Pearce. Or if you don't like Pearce, Cisse & Mills

Gunnarsson is not fit or fast enough to be a full back, so regardless of how shit he is Cummings is a better bet. So is Cisse. Or what about recalling Davies, if possible? He can certainly get up and down the pitch and has a little experience there.

I understand why we played Long instead of Rasiak today, but with Howard returning and Karacan available, and Plymouth confident after a win, we'd possibly have been better off in this game with one upfront and Kebe & McAnuff on the wings.

Karacan was one of our better performers early season yet has been nowhere. Why Cisse is ahead of him is anyone's guess. I'm assuming size and strength, but that really doesn't make up for the stupidity and lack of skill.

HRK isn't much of a striker, but he's produced a hell of a lot more than Long this season.

There is also the option of recalling and playing Mooney. A man who has at least scored and hasn't eaten all the pies.
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How many more times do people need to be told!! Mooney picked up a knee injury before Xmas and has been referred to a specialist!!


I only need to be told once thanks.

And as for your other post we already have one player coming in in exactly the position we need someone.

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Re: Back from Plymouth

by rabidbee » 29 Dec 2009 18:24

What I really want to know about yesterday is why they were advertising New Year's coach trips leaving from Plymouth in the away toilets. Insane.

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