by The Echo » 30 Dec 2009 13:22
by rhroyal » 30 Dec 2009 13:51
The Echo Spot on Quiet Man
by Ian Royal » 30 Dec 2009 14:58
MaguireIan RoyalMaguire Not really "clearly", is it? He didn't sell off or loan out every player of any value in the squad, did he?
All this could've been avoided if we'd gone up again last season. And there's not a single good excuse why that didn't happen. We were utter shit for all of 2009 and the likes of Coppell and players like Stephen Hunt need to have a long hard look at themselves.
I'm answering who is resposible for our current problems involving relegation this season.
Rodgers started with a squad capable of mid-table without too much difficulty and ended with a squad that should have been capable of mid-table.
He made many many mistakes, ergo our current plight is his responsibility. Last season has very little to do with this season in that respect.
If you want it more in depth than that, then I need multiple options, which isn't clearly isn't what this thread is about. It's about picking one person you think has most responsibility for NOW.
He DID sell off or loan out close to half the players who are no longer with us this season. Not all I grant you, but he was in charge for plenty of the outgoings.
You're so short-sighted. Why do you think the reason we're facing relegation this season has to be solely down to other things that happened *this* season? How can you think the current plight has "very little to do with last season"? It's got everything to do with last season. It's why we don't have any money. It's why we've lost all our best players.
And do you really think Rodgers was the one who chose to get rid of Doyle and Hunt and Bikey etc? Not a fooking chance mate.
by Hoop Blah » 30 Dec 2009 15:25
by Ian Royal » 30 Dec 2009 15:49
Hoop Blah Relegation this season isn't just about what happens this season though Ian, not when you looking into WHY we're in the situation we are.
This squad, this situation, this season, can't be taken in isolation because it's the culmination of 2 and a half years, possible 3 years of neglect and lack of forward planning.
Rodgers was a bit of a patsy if you ask me. He was given a tough job, and was making an ok go of it (with a few mistakes along the way of course) before they pulled the rug from under him.
by Forbury Lion » 30 Dec 2009 15:54
by Baines » 30 Dec 2009 15:55
by Hoop Blah » 30 Dec 2009 16:00
Ian RoyalHoop Blah Relegation this season isn't just about what happens this season though Ian, not when you looking into WHY we're in the situation we are.
This squad, this situation, this season, can't be taken in isolation because it's the culmination of 2 and a half years, possible 3 years of neglect and lack of forward planning.
Rodgers was a bit of a patsy if you ask me. He was given a tough job, and was making an ok go of it (with a few mistakes along the way of course) before they pulled the rug from under him.
Do you accept that I am only following the intent of the thread and picking the person I hold most to blame for our failures this season? If so, there's nothing else to talk about, if not, it might be a good idea to try it.
Or take it to another thread where it's not just about picking one person or factor.
by Ian Royal » 30 Dec 2009 16:04
by The whole year inn » 30 Dec 2009 16:24
by Dorset-Knob » 30 Dec 2009 16:30
The whole year inn I am going to go with Ian here - it's not as if BR was given no money. He was given the best part of 4 million quid minus the Smith saga
Any half decent manager would have supplemented the squad (departures included) with that money and have us around mid-table
by Hoop Blah » 30 Dec 2009 16:43
The whole year inn I am going to go with Ian here - it's not as if BR was given no money. He was given the best part of 4 million quid minus the Smith saga
Any half decent manager would have supplemented the squad (departures included) with that money and have us around mid-table
by The whole year inn » 30 Dec 2009 16:49
Hoop BlahThe whole year inn I am going to go with Ian here - it's not as if BR was given no money. He was given the best part of 4 million quid minus the Smith saga
Any half decent manager would have supplemented the squad (departures included) with that money and have us around mid-table
I don't agree.
The losses to the squad were massive and that was from a squad that failed to win at home for 4 months, amassing a massive 20 points from the last 17 games. To take out a large chunk of that first team squad, including some of it's best players, and ask for much more than what was delivered is a bit unrealistic.
As for £4m to spend, he was backed reasonably by the board, and I don't blame them for not giving him more (taking into account the money that was also available for Smith) but I do blame them for sacking him just as things were starting to piece together (unless there are things we don't know about).
I'm not saying Rodgers was blameless by any means, but I think he was in a very difficult position and he was making an OK job of re-building a squad decimated by the events of the previous 2 seasons.
by AthleticoSpizz » 30 Dec 2009 16:57
by The whole year inn » 30 Dec 2009 17:00
AthleticoSpizz we were "raped" by some p1ss poor goalkeeping and a kid with an eye for goal who is a class above this level of football.
All in all that night, we weren't that bad (by our recently acquired standards).
by Hoop Blah » 30 Dec 2009 17:02
by AthleticoSpizz » 30 Dec 2009 17:03
perleese, we all know who calls the tune at the momentThe whole year innAthleticoSpizz we were "raped" by some p1ss poor goalkeeping and a kid with an eye for goal who is a class above this level of football.
All in all that night, we weren't that bad (by our recently acquired standards).
Madejski picked the goalkeeper did he? - rodgers decision
Much like the mysterious idea to send Davies/HARPER/ROSENIOR out on loan
by The whole year inn » 30 Dec 2009 17:05
Hoop Blah Totally agree those were very poor performances.
This division is like that though, look at some of the results other teams get, do you think Newcastle should get turned over by Scunthorpe or fail to beat Bristol City at St James'? Should Forest get trounced at home to a poor Watford side or beaten by Blackpool? Should West Brom get stuffed by Barnsley 3-1, or lose to Swansea and Cardiff at home? Should throw away a 4 goal lead against Peteborough, or get beaten by Ipswhich at home?
Our squad is nothing special and we started appallingly (one of the things Rodgers took for granted was that he had more time and could use those early games to asses the squad he'd been left with after so many left) so why should we be immune to the kind of results that even the top teams suffer in this league.
It would've been better if those results you mentioned were in isolation of course, but even with the players Rodgers brought to the club (three of them being 3 of our top 4 performers this season remember) we still have a poor set of players to work with.
It amazes me the lack of perspective and grasp on reality around here sometimes.
by Hoop Blah » 30 Dec 2009 17:06
The whole year innAthleticoSpizz we were "raped" by some p1ss poor goalkeeping and a kid with an eye for goal who is a class above this level of football.
All in all that night, we weren't that bad (by our recently acquired standards).
Madejski picked the goalkeeper did he? - rodgers decision
Much like the mysterious idea to send Davies out on loan
by Harpers So Solid Crew » 30 Dec 2009 17:07
Royal Lady Well, I'm still wondering why we put £17 million into a hotel extension when we could have spent it on players or the wages of players we currently had - it just doesn't sit easy with me. .
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