by Barry the bird boggler » 12 Feb 2010 16:49
by facaldaqui » 12 Feb 2010 16:58
Barry the bird boggler Anyone got some general stats on penalties, e.g what is the average score rate and what is our success rate in comparison. Personally I'd guess that the average is something like 75-80% success and we are a bit below that, say 60-65%.....
by Franchise FC » 12 Feb 2010 17:10
by RoyalBlue » 12 Feb 2010 17:37
Maguire I've taken a few in my time and not missed. Never worried about what the keeper was doing, just decided where to put it, NEVER CHANGED MY MIND, and tried to give away as little as possible in the run up.
Not changing your mind is really important IMHO, just take a few steps and bury it. If the keeper goes the right way and goes early then, well, there's not a lot you can do about that.
Big Foothandbags_harris Hit them hard and high. That is the only way to take a penalty. We haven't had a ruthless penalty taker since the days of Trevor Morley who was excellent at taking them.
Dave Kitson
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 17:20
by Ian Royal » 11 Mar 2010 17:25
facaldaqui Last night's penalty was another horror show. I think that's three penalties we've missed out of the last four. The normal miss rate should be about one in four. Long not only talks a bad penalty but he takes a bad one. He claims he practises but there was no sign of it. With a non-goalkeeper in front of you, you might at least hit the target.
Anyway, is Long our penalty taker? I thought Sigurdsson was. Or are we still using the "whoever grabs it" approach? I wish Brian would sort this out. OK, last night's miss wasn't vital, but a scored penalty could be the difference between going down and staying up. We are supposed to be so hot on set pieces, but a penalty is a set piece too.
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 17:32
by Forbury Lion » 11 Mar 2010 17:33
Maybe this only works on our goalkeeper.... which could be a problem if opposition strikers happened to read that!facaldaqui "I've practised a lot in training with [Royals keeper] Adam Federici. He tells me which way he thinks I'm going to go.
"The straight run-up puts the keeper off and I sent him the wrong way as you saw. Practice makes perfect."[/i]
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 17:35
by Ian Royal » 11 Mar 2010 17:39
facaldaqui So now Sigurdsson, Howard, and Long (after one success) have missed, who next? Or do we go back round again?
by Millsy » 11 Mar 2010 17:58
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 18:00
2 world wars, 1 world cup Part of the problem is our squad has chopped and changed so much over the last couple of seasons it's difficult to be sure of anyone doing anything.
The other thing you have to bear in mind is penalties are being saved more nowdays as keepers are bigger and better trained.
I don't see the argument you make fac, because on the one hand you say the opposition will know how certain players take penalties but on the other you're suggesting that we don't chop and change as much and just let a couple do it. A big plus of changing it around (other than people feeling up to the job) is that it makes it very hard for the opposition to have any player-specific preparation so it's a good idea.
Really I think it just boils down to us having so many problems all over the pitch in the past couple of seasons that penalty practice (for everyone) is not a priority and we need to practise more.
I do agree it's irritating to see penalties saved/failed.
by Ian Royal » 11 Mar 2010 18:03
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 18:06
Ian Royal Penalties are all about confidence, composure and to a lesser extent technique.
How many players have we had over the last three years who you could say were confident and composed about their ability to score and had good shooting technique?
That doesn't really describe any of them. Doyle had such up and down form you couldn't say him. SHunt lacked a little in composure and technique. Same for Long.
by Ian Royal » 11 Mar 2010 18:09
by facaldaqui » 11 Mar 2010 18:15
Ian Royal How do you train confidence and composure at the penalty spot? It's a mental thing more than anything and relies on the right player IMO.
by peterroyal76 » 11 Mar 2010 18:27
by URZZZZZZZZ » 11 Mar 2010 20:14
Ian Royal Penalties are all about confidence, composure and to a lesser extent technique.
How many players have we had over the last three years who you could say were confident and composed about their ability to score and had good shooting technique?
That doesn't really describe any of them. Doyle had such up and down form you couldn't say him. SHunt lacked a little in composure and technique. Same for Long.
by RoyalBlue » 11 Mar 2010 20:25
facaldaqui So now Sigurdsson, Howard, and Long (after one success) have missed, who next? Or do we go back round again?
by RoyalBlue » 11 Mar 2010 20:27
URZZZZZZZZIan Royal Penalties are all about confidence, composure and to a lesser extent technique.
How many players have we had over the last three years who you could say were confident and composed about their ability to score and had good shooting technique?
That doesn't really describe any of them. Doyle had such up and down form you couldn't say him. SHunt lacked a little in composure and technique. Same for Long.
Only player I was ever truly confident taking them was Kitson. I can only remember him missing one at Sheff Utd.
facaldaquiIan Royal How do you train confidence and composure at the penalty spot? It's a mental thing more than anything and relies on the right player IMO.
Hire someone like Francis Lee to coach them for a couple of sessions and teach them to aim hard into the top corners. It's an acquired skill, and some regular pen takers do that every time. If you can do that, it doesn't matter if the goalie goes the right way.
That might be idealistic, but at least train Long to stick to one way of taking a penalty; train Gylfi not to slow his momentum so much with his jink; and train Howard not to telegraph the direction of his shot with his body language. Yes, it's a mental thing; but it's also a highly technical skill.
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