by Schards#2 » 08 Nov 2010 09:44
by Wimb » 08 Nov 2010 09:46
Schards#2 Over the past two seasons, Federici has scored 100% of our home goals against Cardiff with a strike rate of 0.5 goals per game. Over the course of a season this would equate to 23 goals.
If he doesn't start up front on Wednesday, it will be an outrage, the stats don't lie.
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 09:50
Hoop Blah The comparison with Doyle's awful run of not scoring doesn't really help things does it? Does one players poor form justify anothers?
Doyle was, in my opinion, being flogged by Coppell at the time because we didn't have adequate cover for him. He looked so jaded and off form and was crying out for a rest it wasn't a surprise he wasn't scoring. I think he may have been struggling with an injury at the time too but we needed to play him because nothing else was working (should've given Cox a game!).
More to the point the whole team was struggling to create or score chances at that time weren't they? That's what cost us promotion, so it wasn't just Doyle being a bit crap that caused that barren spell.
by Harpers So Solid Crew » 08 Nov 2010 09:55
Schards#2 Odd that other managers are happy to pay £5m+ for the likes of Kitson and Doyle yet no one is keen to offer a brass farthing for Long.
Don't these managers with a lifetime of expirience in the professional game understand stats?
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 09:57
by cmonurz » 08 Nov 2010 10:02
by Wycombe Royal » 08 Nov 2010 10:15
Snowball My point is that you do NOT judge a player on any single run of form, whether a purple patch or a drought.
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 10:20
Harpers So Solid CrewSchards#2 Odd that other managers are happy to pay £5m+ for the likes of Kitson and Doyle yet no one is keen to offer a brass farthing for Long.
Don't these managers with a lifetime of expirience in the professional game understand stats?
To be fair neither Kitson or Doyle have been scoring much where they are now.
by Hoop Blah » 08 Nov 2010 10:21
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by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 10:22
Wycombe RoyalSnowball My point is that you do NOT judge a player on any single run of form, whether a purple patch or a drought.
No you don't and both Doyle and Long's English careers have been the same length. I'll leave you to show the stats as to who has the better record............
I'll give you a clue - he is playing in the Premiership.
by cmonurz » 08 Nov 2010 10:24
by Wycombe Royal » 08 Nov 2010 10:25
SnowballWycombe RoyalSnowball My point is that you do NOT judge a player on any single run of form, whether a purple patch or a drought.
No you don't and both Doyle and Long's English careers have been the same length. I'll leave you to show the stats as to who has the better record............
I'll give you a clue - he is playing in the Premiership.
It's hardly "when they joined". Gyfli was at the club, HOW long exactly?
It's GAMES played and the comparison is straightforward.
093.83 Games 32 Goals Long
147.83 Games 55 Goals Doyle
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 14:42
cmonurz
You gabble on about looking at 'complete seasons', I post some stats up that run from the beginning of last season, and you have issue with that too. The fact is that no, over the last season and a bit Long hasn't shown himself to be a consistent goalscorer. It's relevant to say 'excluding that purple patch...' because a striker is next to useless if he scores all his goals in a 4 game window around Xmas. And that's what Long's stats show.
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 14:55
Wycombe Royal
I don't care how many he has scored against Premiership opposition we aren't in the Premiership. The simple fact is he is struggling this season, and this season is all that matters. One great goal against QPR does not change that, he needs to score regularly over the next FEW matches.
by Wycombe Royal » 08 Nov 2010 14:58
SnowballWycombe Royal
I don't care how many he has scored against Premiership opposition we aren't in the Premiership. The simple fact is he is struggling this season, and this season is all that matters. One great goal against QPR does not change that, he needs to score regularly over the next FEW matches.
No. He needs to score a certain amount of goals in the season, and win a certain amount of points in that season, commensurate with the manager's requirements.
Contrary to popular opinion, the player's job is to do what THE MANAGER asks, not the fans.
I do not think he is struggling this season. The manager does not think he is struggling this season
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 15:00
cmonurz Well no, the comparison isn't straight-forward is it. Because that's not how many games they've played, for a start, it's your arbitrary measure of minutes for a sub appearance.
by cmonurz » 08 Nov 2010 15:16
Snowballcmonurz
You gabble on about looking at 'complete seasons', I post some stats up that run from the beginning of last season, and you have issue with that too. The fact is that no, over the last season and a bit Long hasn't shown himself to be a consistent goalscorer. It's relevant to say 'excluding that purple patch...' because a striker is next to useless if he scores all his goals in a 4 game window around Xmas. And that's what Long's stats show.
Rubbish
by Wax Jacket » 08 Nov 2010 15:19
cmonurz but if he can do what he did against QPR, maybe once every 2 games, or twice every 5, then I'll be more than happy to have him in the side proving me wrong.
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 15:21
Wycombe Royal Seeing as you want to continue with your endless stats - show us the percentage of matches played in the Premiership....
by Snowball » 08 Nov 2010 15:38
cmonurz
The point you seem to consistently miss is that I don't have to be selective to 'make Long look bad' - the reason you run down so many blind alleys on our Shane is because you are trying to statistically show that a poor goalscorer is in fact a regular goalscorer. It would make 100 times more sense if you were just making post after post emphasising Long's other credentials like his work-rate, pace etc, but for some reason you want to try to prove the one thing you can't.
He doesn't regularly score goals from open play, and he never has.
I don't 'want' to make Long look bad at all - I don't rate him as a goalscorer, but if he can do what he did against QPR, maybe once every 2 games, or twice every 5, then I'll be more than happy to have him in the side proving me wrong.
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