by Ian Royal » 30 Nov 2010 22:54
by Snowball » 30 Nov 2010 23:18
Ian Royal I couldn't give a rats arse what Sig's accuracy or goals to shot ratio was. He scored a lorry load full of goals for us. Something Long has never done in his time for us, despite being a striker, not a midfielder and having multiple Premier League & Championship seasons experience.
FFS Sig scored 2/3rds the goals in half the starts Long has made, completely discounting the fact Long had SEVENTY TWO more sub appearances as well, in his first season at any decent level.
His one open play goal this season is something he'll repeat maybe another dozen times in his career, it just came off. It's not something to suggest he'll score many more in open play.
by cmonurz » 30 Nov 2010 23:21
Snowball Up to the end of last season Long was 29 goals (2 pens) so 27 in 6,885 minutes, 1 goal every 255 minutes.
by Snowball » 30 Nov 2010 23:31
by Snowball » 30 Nov 2010 23:37
cmonurzSnowball Up to the end of last season Long was 29 goals (2 pens) so 27 in 6,885 minutes, 1 goal every 255 minutes.
What about up to now? Why stop last May?
by Snowball » 30 Nov 2010 23:48
Victor Meldrew Snowball, In 100 pages or so you have given us your version of Shane's life story ever since he came to our club and occasionally bits about his achievements in the old country. However I don't think I have read anywhere whether you actually think he is any good. Most of us on here see him as yet another Irish labourer-one who gets on with the job,works very hard at something he is not very good at and somehow gets paid more in a fortnight than most Irish labourers get paid in a whole year but unlike the others he goes crying to his boss when a few people moan at him.I would seriously like to read your critique on him (no so called facts) because as a professional writer (and one who has spent such a ridiculous amount of time on the subject matter you must now be an expert) you could easily put your feelings into words. I am sure I speak for others in that we just don't get what you,Father McDermott and the ancient Italian see in him and quite seriously would appreciate your views but please no stats.
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 00:49
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 00:53
handbags_harris
You don't expect Sigurdsson, our set piece taker and player who scored a good number of long range free kicks, .
to score with the same ratio as Shane Long when his shots were, on the whole, taken a lot further out? A 28% conversion rate for shots on target, the majority of which were mainly outside the area, or in other words a slightly more than a 1 in 4 conversion rate, I would class as pretty damn superb. Probably part of the reason why Sigurdsson was sold for £7 million. Shane Long, if ever sold by Reading, won't be sold for anything near seven figures
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 01:06
Wycombe RoyalSnowballhandbags_harris
You don't expect Sigurdsson, our set piece taker and player who scored a good number of long range free kicks, to score with the same ratio as Shane Long when his shots were, on the whole, taken a lot further out? A 28% conversion rate for shots on target, the majority of which were mainly outside the area, or in other words a slightly more than a 1 in 4 conversion rate, I would class as pretty damn superb. Probably part of the reason why Sigurdsson was sold for £7 million. Shane Long, if ever sold by Reading, won't be sold for anything near seven figures.
No, Gylfi was a wasteful player.
LOL.
I can't really add anything more than that.
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 01:07
cmonurz If Gylfi is a wasteful player, what is the definition of a player who scores 1 in 34 attempts on goal?
by Wycombe Royal » 01 Dec 2010 09:03
by Wycombe Royal » 01 Dec 2010 09:11
Snowball Last season Gylfi played 2,609 minutes and scored 13 goals that were not penalties.
In Shane's first three season combined he played 2,686 minutes and scored 11 goals, no penalties
Gylfi's penalties completely distort his profile. He also took the free-kicks (scoring three)
If you look only at open-play goals Gylfi got 10 in 2609 minutes, 1 every 261 minutes.
Long got his first 11 goals in 2686 minutes, 1 every 244 minutes
Long reached 20 goals (1 pen) in 4,549 minutes, Removing the pen that's 1 goal every 239 minutes
Up to the end of last season Long was 29 goals (2 pens) so 27 in 6,885 minutes, 1 goal every 255 minutes.
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 09:43
Wycombe Royal Congratulations Snowball. I think 7 posts in a row is a new record.
by Man Friday » 01 Dec 2010 09:59
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 10:35
Wycombe RoyalSnowball Last season Gylfi played 2,609 minutes and scored 13 goals that were not penalties.
In Shane's first three season combined he played 2,686 minutes and scored 11 goals, no penalties
Gylfi's penalties completely distort his profile. He also took the free-kicks (scoring three)
If you look only at open-play goals Gylfi got 10 in 2609 minutes, 1 every 261 minutes.
Long got his first 11 goals in 2686 minutes, 1 every 244 minutes
Long reached 20 goals (1 pen) in 4,549 minutes, Removing the pen that's 1 goal every 239 minutes
Up to the end of last season Long was 29 goals (2 pens) so 27 in 6,885 minutes, 1 goal every 255 minutes.
Gylfi is a MIDFIELDER. Long is a STRIKER. I think Gylfi only being 17 minutes worse per goal than Long shows again that Shane is not doing as well as he should be.
Also I think if you looked at it more closely a striker who makes a lot of short sub appearances as Shane did early in his career will have a better minutes per goal ratio (and yes there will be exceptions to this) because these appearances often come when one of the teams is chasing the match and therefore the game is more open. I haven't checked but I would hazard a guess that one of the most common periods of time in which goals are scored is the last 10 minutes of a match....
by Snowball » 01 Dec 2010 10:36
Wycombe Royal Congratulations Snowball. I think 7 posts in a row is a new record.
by Svlad Cjelli » 01 Dec 2010 10:38
SnowballWycombe Royal Congratulations Snowball. I think 7 posts in a row is a new record.
I can't win. If I DON'T answer, someone like cmonurz says I'm ducking.
If I DO answer, then...
by Wycombe Royal » 01 Dec 2010 10:44
SnowballWycombe Royal Congratulations Snowball. I think 7 posts in a row is a new record.
I can't win. If I DON'T answer, someone like cmonurz says I'm ducking.
If I DO answer, then...
by Wycombe Royal » 01 Dec 2010 10:46
SnowballWycombe RoyalSnowball Last season Gylfi played 2,609 minutes and scored 13 goals that were not penalties.
In Shane's first three season combined he played 2,686 minutes and scored 11 goals, no penalties
Gylfi's penalties completely distort his profile. He also took the free-kicks (scoring three)
If you look only at open-play goals Gylfi got 10 in 2609 minutes, 1 every 261 minutes.
Long got his first 11 goals in 2686 minutes, 1 every 244 minutes
Long reached 20 goals (1 pen) in 4,549 minutes, Removing the pen that's 1 goal every 239 minutes
Up to the end of last season Long was 29 goals (2 pens) so 27 in 6,885 minutes, 1 goal every 255 minutes.
Gylfi is a MIDFIELDER. Long is a STRIKER. I think Gylfi only being 17 minutes worse per goal than Long shows again that Shane is not doing as well as he should be.
We played Gylfi as a deep striker, in the hole, and you know that. He was played primarily for his GOALS. As far as I'm concerned his role was mainly "goal-scorer", that was his job. To call him a mid-fielder as say Howard or Tabb or Karacan or Leighterwood are midfielders is a deliberate, conscious distortion of the truth.
by Wycombe Royal » 01 Dec 2010 10:48
Snowball Of the 10 late goals for RFC, 5 have been scored by subs, but that is hardly surprising since usually they are on REPLACING other strikers.
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