Back from the Game - Hull (H)

[winchester_royal]

That game was just crying out for Brian Howard to be brought on after 55 minutes. Karacan was having his usual 6/10 game and we needed someone on the pitch with the ability to pick a pass.

Pretty shit game, but not much we can do when Hull turn up to play their horrific brand of anti-football.

[Shortbread]

In Harte's defence, and from the one time I saw this on the tele, it looks to me as though, more or less with his back to the play, he's cushioned the ball but then realised that, to clear it properly, he's got to make touch, and to the right hand side, too (i.e. with his right foot). I think in those circumstances, he's entitled to expect a keeper who's in charge of his area to complete the clearance by putting his boot right through it.

Clearly Feds wasn't expecting that and perhaps he was caught back on his heels. This allowed the Hull player with momentum to nip in. A clear communications breakdown, IMO, but a bit unfair to pin the blame completely on Harte.

[Ian Royal]

In Harte's defence, and from the one time I saw this on the tele, it looks to me as though, more or less with his back to the play, he's cushioned the ball but then realised that, to clear it properly, he's got to make touch, and to the right hand side, too (i.e. with his right foot). I think in those circumstances, he's entitled to expect a keeper who's in charge of his area to complete the clearance by putting his boot right through it.

Clearly Feds wasn't expecting that and perhaps he was caught back on his heels. This allowed the Hull player with momentum to nip in. A clear communications breakdown, IMO, but a bit unfair to pin the blame completely on Harte.

Looked to me like Harte thought he had pleny of time and cushioned it for Feds, without really moving the ball towards him enough. Federici expected Harte to deal with it and was left standing flatfooted as Harte left it for him and I think even backed away from it slightly.

A dreadful mistake to make in the six yard box.

[weybridgewanderer]

Just watched the footballleague show. How was the kebe incident not a penalty, looks like the defender just kicked kebe.

Was the linesman(assistant ref) running the southern end of the the west stand? if the ref didn't see it surely the lino did?

[The Surgeon of Crowthorne]

Really quite poor game. We dominated the first half without creating any decent chances or putting their keeper under pressure. Hull were really crap and showed no attacking intent until they got their goal, after which we went to pieces and didn't look like getting anything out of the game - the penalty came after a period where we were doing nothing.
Legs broke up play and tackled really well, but his passing was really quite poor.
Long won nothing in the air against their central defenders and generally didn't play as well as he has been recently. Kebe also didn't have a great game. Our central defenders and Griffin were all solid; the less said about Harte the better.
Reading fans obviously should have tried more of the motivational booing for Rosenior when he played for us as he's played better in both games I've seen him play back here since he left than in any of the matches he played for us.
Oh, and the officials were all absolute toilet.

[Platypuss]

In Harte's defence, and from the one time I saw this on the tele, it looks to me as though, more or less with his back to the play, he's cushioned the ball but then realised that, to clear it properly, he's got to make touch, and to the right hand side, too (i.e. with his right foot). I think in those circumstances, he's entitled to expect a keeper who's in charge of his area to complete the clearance by putting his boot right through it.

Er how - Harte would have been standing in the way!

[Shortbread]

From memory, Harte is slightly to the side of AFed, so the clearance was on. I agree that the ball should have been directed more firmly, but I think he's entitled to expect AFed to take charge of the situation regardless. Instead, there's a slow-mo train wreck of indecision which the Hull player exploits.

If AFed did back off slightly, that's my point - it's asking a lot of a left-sided player to clear authoritatively to the right given the positions of the players. A series of mistakes, really.

[Platypuss]

And if I was Feds I'd be expecting an ex-International to be able to use his right foot, left foot or even his head to play it out to the left of the goal as he faced it.

In this picture, Harte has already played the ball from the cross. He either has to:

kick it ANYWHERE
pass to a defender
knock it to Feds.

What you DON'T do is what he ended up doing - nothing.

harte.jpg

[weybridgewanderer]

defender should never expect thekeeper to clear that. the defender needs to put his foot through it.

[Ian Royal]

Just watched the footballleague show. How was the kebe incident not a penalty, looks like the defender just kicked kebe.

Was the linesman(assistant ref) running the southern end of the the west stand? if the ref didn't see it surely the lino did?

The only thing I can think is the ref thought Kebe played the ball past him then deliberately ran into him and fell over. I saw it as one of those shouts that can easily go either way.

completely agree platy. Harte takes it down and looks to be controlling it, but expects Federici to step forward and clear it for him. Howler, partially made up for by the penalty strike. I say only partially as he didn't win the penalty and had they not scored( which they didn't sound like doing), I think we'd have had a fair chance of nicking one in towards the end given our recent form. Two was too much to ask for though.

[Seal]

Harte 6- at fault for the goal, doesnt look like a championship player at all, made up with the penalty though

Sorry, but let's forget these 'made up for it' arguments. He did not. The score should have been 0-0 at that point. Long would still have won the penalty and there would have been a good chance that he would have scored to give us three points. Harte's stupidity cost us two points. Scoring the penalty saved us one.

I'm sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement. If Harte hadn't given away the goal, then none of the subsequent actions in the game would have taken place in the same way, therefore that specific penalty incident would never have occurred. So yes it was a stupid error but you cannot prove it cost us anything. What Harte DID do was have the balls to step up and atone for his error when given the opportunity.

[Snowball]

Harte 6- at fault for the goal, doesnt look like a championship player at all, made up with the penalty though

Sorry, but let's forget these 'made up for it' arguments. He did not. The score should have been 0-0 at that point. Long would still have won the penalty and there would have been a good chance that he would have scored to give us three points. Harte's stupidity cost us two points. Scoring the penalty saved us one.

I'm sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement. If Harte hadn't given away the goal, then none of the subsequent actions in the game would have taken place in the same way, therefore that specific penalty incident would never have occurred. So yes it was a stupid error but you cannot prove it cost us anything. What Harte DID do was have the balls to step up and atone for his error when given the opportunity.

Amen

[Big Foot]

Can't remember a more infuriating display from the officials than yesterday

Rosenior had a great game for them which only added to my irritable mood. Elwood was MoTM for me, knew we would get punished for missing so many chances 1st half

[Stranded]

Harte 6- at fault for the goal, doesnt look like a championship player at all, made up with the penalty though

Sorry, but let's forget these 'made up for it' arguments. He did not. The score should have been 0-0 at that point. Long would still have won the penalty and there would have been a good chance that he would have scored to give us three points. Harte's stupidity cost us two points. Scoring the penalty saved us one.

I'm sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement. If Harte hadn't given away the goal, then none of the subsequent actions in the game would have taken place in the same way, therefore that specific penalty incident would never have occurred. So yes it was a stupid error but you cannot prove it cost us anything. What Harte DID do was have the balls to step up and atone for his error when given the opportunity.

You could argue his scoring made it worse for him - we'd only lost a point whilst one down, the equaliser made the mistake cost us 2

[RoyalBlue]

In Harte's defence, and from the one time I saw this on the tele, it looks to me as though, more or less with his back to the play, he's cushioned the ball but then realised that, to clear it properly, he's got to make touch, and to the right hand side, too (i.e. with his right foot). I think in those circumstances, he's entitled to expect a keeper who's in charge of his area to complete the clearance by putting his boot right through it.

Er how - Harte would have been standing in the way!

Maybe that's what you get for £50K - a player who can't think and can't hit a clearance with either foot!

Harte 6- at fault for the goal, doesnt look like a championship player at all, made up with the penalty though

Sorry, but let's forget these 'made up for it' arguments. He did not. The score should have been 0-0 at that point. Long would still have won the penalty and there would have been a good chance that he would have scored to give us three points. Harte's stupidity cost us two points. Scoring the penalty saved us one.

I'm sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement. If Harte hadn't given away the goal, then none of the subsequent actions in the game would have taken place in the same way, therefore that specific penalty incident would never have occurred. So yes it was a stupid error but you cannot prove it cost us anything. What Harte DID do was have the balls to step up and atone for his error when given the opportunity.

Yes, on reflection you are quite right, I was far too generous to Harte and the game wouldn't have developed in that way at all!

Had he not been so stupid, we wouldn't have gone a goal down, completely against the run of play and been left chasing for an equaliser. Long would probably have scored far earlier (possibly having won a penalty) and we would have gone on to the comfortable win that we deserved.

The guy is a defensive liability and yesterday's cock up reaffirmed that.

I'd rather sacrifice the odd goal he contributes through free kicks and penalties (Manset can take penalties) and got a decent, athletic/pacey left back in.

[PieEater]

Interesting that McDermott was bemoaning the condition of the pitch in his post match interviews yesterday. Once again our tenants appear to be causing us some problems.

There were definitely occasions yesterday when bobbles caused us problems.

And before people state the wear isn't down to the rugby, look at the tv pictures and note, for example, the wear on the left side of the six yard box (looking at the goal,) which very definitely would not be a typical high wear area for football.


Fact: The more you use something, the greater the level of wear on it. What's more, if your carpet already has tatty patches on it, the quicker it will deteriorate with further use!

If that's the case then we''ll have no chance at Cardiff, their pitch looks diabolical.

[Hoop Blah]

Surprised at the lack of praise for McAnuff, and conversely the comments on Rosenoir marking him out of the game. 80% of our attacking threat in the first half, when we looked much better than we did in the second half, came from McAnuff running through the Hull defence.

Rosenoir was far from dealing with him well. McAnuff was moved inside for much of the second half so not sure where these comments come from.

[PEARCEY]

Surprised at the lack of praise for McAnuff, and conversely the comments on Rosenoir marking him out of the game. 80% of our attacking threat in the first half, when we looked much better than we did in the second half, came from McAnuff running through the Hull defence.

Rosenoir was far from dealing with him well. McAnuff was moved inside for much of the second half so not sure where these comments come from.

Agreed. Jobi had an excellent first half and was comfortably our main attacking threat.

[LoyalRoyal22]

my ratings


fed- 7
griffin- 7
harte- 6
mills- 7
pearce- 7
Jobi- 7
Kebe- 6
Mikele- 7
Karacan- 7
Church- 5
Long- 7

[AthleticoSpizz]

RoyalBlee...has Ian Harte been caught in a clinch with your partner or something?