Season Tick Renewal - What's Going On!

[Negative_Jeff]

I doubt very much there is a cash flow problem. Maybe the idea behind this is to target the balance sheet with a view to selling the club in the summer.

[STAR Liaison]

And she said "cash flow problems" did she not?

Plus, she said on here that she was going to speak to other STAR members and supporters at the Watford game, long after many of us had bothered to email the club to ask more questions and long after I'd given the "non-refundable deposit for a seat" idea by way of email to customer services and also in a letter to The Board of Directors. So, to make out STAR have been doing all sorts behind the scenes "for the fans" is rather misleading, wouldn't you say?

I know you seldom cut STAR any slack but to say it is misleading to make out that STAR is doing all sorts behind the scenes just assumes you know just what I have been doing - and you don't or else you would not think that an email to customer services and a letter to the Board of Directors trumps it. But you carry on thinking that you are contributing your way and I will continue my way and we may well never agree.

And I apologise if I had the same idea as you - I am afraid I do not spend much time on here so managed to miss that one.

[STAR Liaison]

If you want to pick out those 3 words, yes.

Have a listen again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 2_02_2011/

at about 15 minutes in.

Thank you Sarah for pointing out that that was not the essence of all I said let alone all I wanted to say but given the time I had I did the best I could to get the points across.

[Royal Lady]

People have been asking on here what STARs thoughts on this were - and eventually you came on and said you hadn't heard anything about it and would be speaking to other members and RFC supporters at the game last Saturday to gauge their views.

In the meantime, I and others, have taken it upon ourselves to contact the club and ask some questions and put forward some proposals. I clearly made the comment about non-refundable amount to secure a ST seat early on - I'm pretty sure your first post was after this time.

If you were already doing stuff behind the scenes, I presume on behalf of your members and interested RFC supporters, I'm surprised you did not mention it when you first posted on here.

If the club change their minds and revert to a non-refundable deposit, I don't care whose bloody idea it was, as long as something is done.

[Royal Lady]

17 Feb 2011 - Sorry for the silence from STAR but as Dirk implied I am the only one on here who has a STAR moniker now and my work does not mean I am constantly on the internet so it is a bit hit and miss.

This was not mentioned at the part of the last management meeting we attended - I suspect it was on the agenda after we left - so it was as much a surprise to me as it was to everyone else.

I took time to respond as I consulted the rest of the STAR Board to see if anyone else had been 'in the know' and so far have not heard from everyone so will be doing some talking at the game on Saturday. That is to supporters, Board members and I hope to RFC people to understand why they see the necessity to release the seats so early.

So, basically, and I'm not blaming you for being busy elsewhere, you had contacted some STAR board members but was waiting until the Watford game to talk to others and contact the club. Which was my point.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

I think that I can now mention that JM is aware of the situation, and has been handed a copy of this thread, if it makes any difference who knows. Then again I recall that Coppell would not stay despite what happened in the Car park, mistakes are made, and they can be ammended. Should there be a change of heart from the club then all comments and pressure from all quarters will have helped.

I know that HNA? is not representative of the fans, but neither is STAR, however add everything together and it is the best views the club get about how fans feel.

JM is a sensible man, he did not get RFC to where it is today without considering the fans feelings, he may not be as generous as to offer free travel like some clubs, however I do know that he does listen to what people say about what is going on at RFC.

[Royal Lady]

Any chance you can find out if he ever got my letter?

[STAR Liaison]

People have been asking on here what STARs thoughts on this were - and eventually you came on and said you hadn't heard anything about it and would be speaking to other members and RFC supporters at the game last Saturday to gauge their views.

In the meantime, I and others, have taken it upon ourselves to contact the club and ask some questions and put forward some proposals. I clearly made the comment about non-refundable amount to secure a ST seat early on - I'm pretty sure your first post was after this time.

If you were already doing stuff behind the scenes, I presume on behalf of your members and interested RFC supporters, I'm surprised you did not mention it when you first posted on here.

If the club change their minds and revert to a non-refundable deposit, I don't care whose bloody idea it was, as long as something is done.

I'm sorry but my work does not mean I am constantly on the internet so I am not in a potition to keep reading such threads let alone posting on them.

In addition my way of working is not to react first but to consult first when I post as starliaison. I do sometimes post on here (and I know some posters know who I am) but that is my personal opinion. STAR is representative and so I have an obligation to ask both the Board and as many members as I and the Board can speak to before making any policy announcements. It is frustrating but it has to be part and parcel of being representative, and can sometimes mean arguing a case you don't personally agree with but that is one of the things that comes with the role.

I also have never felt it productive to argue in public until you have exhausted the arguements in private as often a public rant just makes people more reisistant to ideas and much less likely to change. I may be wrong and I know it is seen as apparently doing nothing but it is what I believe and the only way I can work.

I agree about the change being important rather than who achieves it - I have emphasised in all my conversations with management within RFC I have no desire to say I told you so come the summer as that can only hurt the club I support. I want to stop them making a mistake and alienating possibly permanently an important element of what makes a football club.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

I will get his waste bin checked

TBF as I said all comments will help in getting this decision changed back to the status quo. It could take a week or so tho.

[Royal Lady]

STAR liaison - far be it for me to tell you your job with regards to STAR, but if you see a thread has been started about ST renewals - entitled "What's Going On!" I would have thought it would be the first thing you read, to gauge the feeling of the fans on here, BEFORE setting into motion any dialogue with the club. You would have looked a little daft if only one person had been against it and everyone else in the thread was backing it.

If you were already planning to speak to the Club before this thread was started (and I didn't start this thread for the record) would it not have been prudent to have made a thread on the STAR board asking for fans' opinions?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

SL has tried to explain, HNA? is not representative of STAR membership, in fact most are not members of STAR, and many here are very critical.

Perhaps STAR might use their own site to pass information, however I think then they may get criticised for not putting info on here. It is a difficult situation for them to juggle.

[Royal Lady]

Then if STAR are not representing fans on here who are not members - I and others who have already contacted the club are!

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

I dunno, I am all confused now, suffice to say lets hope the renewal day is put back to June, then we can all be happy again.

[Wycombe Royal]

I dunno, I am all confused now, suffice to say lets hope the renewal day is put back to June, then we can all move onto the next thing to moan about.

Corrected.

[Tom Foolery]

So STAR can't tell us what they've been up to - and don't like arguing in public, unless it's an argument about them not actually doing anything in which case they will happily tell us they are, but won't tell us what it is.

I'm sorry but I think this attitude stinks. It shouldn't be some kind of secret society - the members have a right to know what's going on!

If this portal isn't the right medium - then fine, but tell us what is. If you're too busy to inform the fans what you're doing then maybe STAR should try and find someone with a bit more time - as I see this as of paramount importance.

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

V12 Wrote:

Even money i'd say that when/if the club does back down it'll be Star shoving their way to the front to claim credit.

Surely not.... credit must go to the muppet Paul Collins RFC's - Stadium & Customer Service Supervisor who has been a great ambassador for the club.

He's probably kacking it and wondering when he will start the lonely walk down the corridor to see Sir John to pick up his P45 if he has not already done this.

[Hoop Blah]

V12 Wrote:

Even money i'd say that when/if the club does back down it'll be Star shoving their way to the front to claim credit.

Surely not.... credit must go to the muppet Paul Collins RFC's - Stadium & Customer Service Supervisor who has been a great ambassador for the club.

He's probably kacking it and wondering when he will start the lonely walk down the corridor to see Sir John to pick up his P45 if he has not already done this.

That's right, lets knock the poor guy who's just trying to do his job!

I'm pretty sure he's not the one responsible for the change in policy, it's just his job to handle complaints about it. What more do you really expect than a pretty general standard response that the guy probably doesn't even believe in anyway.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

In which case he should have consulted with the people above him before sending out the response, perhaps he did just that and covered his back. In which case well done him.

[Sarah Star]

Who cares who "takes credit" so long as the club sees sense. The club will take the credit if they decide to change anyway. I suspect they might end up "extending the renewal period" at the end of April.

[Hoop Blah]

In which case he should have consulted with the people above him before sending out the response, perhaps he did just that and covered his back. In which case well done him.

I'd put money on a standard response like that being one that has had input from a number of people and been signed off by the department manager or Craig Mortimer. It's very unlikely that the one guy has come up with it as his own personal response to such a touchy matter.

It pretty much covers off what Mortimer said on the radio, ie the clubs corporate response.