QPR points deduction?

[brendywendy]

this has teh potential to be my funniest ever moment in football.
better even than eric cantonas kung fu kick

[Wimb]

this has teh potential to be my funniest ever moment in football.
better even than eric cantonas kung fu kick

[Royal Rother]

For some reason a QPR supporting mate (he's a bit of a depressive character!) has been telling me all season QPR were not as good as people think and wouldn't go up.

Last Friday he told me he had been quoted 7/1 by William Hill against QPR failing to gain promotion but didn't have a bet as he thought he could get better odds elsewhere. Just texted him and he didn't follow up on it and hasn't made the bet!

A few weeks ago, during a row, his wife booted him on the shin - this morning he's got a self-inflicted bruise on his other leg!

(I was VERY tempted to offer him 10/1 myself but didn't. TFFT!)

[Top Flight]

I don't want to see QPR docked any points at all.

Considering West Ham didn't have any points deducted it would be unfair for QPR to be dealt that punishment. It would just show the favouritism that big clubs enjoy from the authorities in this nation.

It is the same favouritism that big companies seem to enjoy from the government when it comes to issues of being allowed to get away with only paying 1% corporation tax or when banks are bailed out and small firms are not bailed out.

That's like saying don't get Gadaffi for War Crimes
because Atilla the Hun didn't get done.

It's precisely BECAUSE West Ham squeaked through (and in the process set Sheffield United back probably 20 years) that the rules were tightened.

QPR clearly broke rules AFTER knowing all about these issues

then they were given a chance to clean up the mess but CONTINUED LYING

Much as I fee for the fans (my brother-in-law and nephews are QPR fans)
IMO they should be nothing less than relegated with a 10 Million fine

Well, I don't think Gadaffi should be done for war crimes if Bush and Blair won't get done for it.

You can't have one rule for Bush and Blair and another rule for everyone else. Just like you can't have one rule for West Ham and another for QPR.

[Top Flight]

It is the same favouritism that big companies seem to enjoy from the government when it comes to issues of being allowed to get away with only paying 1% corporation tax....

Complete nonsense this bit.

Oi, I get all my information from the newspaper headlines. I haven't got time to read the article in details. So if that is what the Mail is saying then I have to believe it.

[Wimb]

I don't want to see QPR docked any points at all.

Considering West Ham didn't have any points deducted it would be unfair for QPR to be dealt that punishment. It would just show the favouritism that big clubs enjoy from the authorities in this nation.

It is the same favouritism that big companies seem to enjoy from the government when it comes to issues of being allowed to get away with only paying 1% corporation tax or when banks are bailed out and small firms are not bailed out.

That's like saying don't get Gadaffi for War Crimes
because Atilla the Hun didn't get done.

It's precisely BECAUSE West Ham squeaked through (and in the process set Sheffield United back probably 20 years) that the rules were tightened.

QPR clearly broke rules AFTER knowing all about these issues

then they were given a chance to clean up the mess but CONTINUED LYING

Much as I fee for the fans (my brother-in-law and nephews are QPR fans)
IMO they should be nothing less than relegated with a 10 Million fine

Well, I don't think Gadaffi should be done for war crimes if Bush and Blair won't get done for it.

You can't have one rule for Bush and Blair and another rule for everyone else. Just like you can't have one rule for West Ham and another for QPR.

I agree with Snowball, it's the same as what happened with Leicester after they went into administration and cheated their way up in 2003. They got away with it but it meant the FA could be stricter with other clubs.

West Ham would argue they didn't know the full consequences/ramifications blah blah but QPR have utterly no excuse.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

I don't want to see QPR docked any points at all.

Considering West Ham didn't have any points deducted it would be unfair for QPR to be dealt that punishment. It would just show the favouritism that big clubs enjoy from the authorities in this nation.

It is the same favouritism that big companies seem to enjoy from the government when it comes to issues of being allowed to get away with only paying 1% corporation tax or when banks are bailed out and small firms are not bailed out.

That's like saying don't get Gadaffi for War Crimes
because Atilla the Hun didn't get done.

It's precisely BECAUSE West Ham squeaked through (and in the process set Sheffield United back probably 20 years) that the rules were tightened.

QPR clearly broke rules AFTER knowing all about these issues

then they were given a chance to clean up the mess but CONTINUED LYING

Much as I fee for the fans (my brother-in-law and nephews are QPR fans)
IMO they should be nothing less than relegated with a 10 Million fine

Well, I don't think Gadaffi should be done for war crimes if Bush and Blair won't get done for it.

You can't have one rule for Bush and Blair and another rule for everyone else. Just like you can't have one rule for West Ham and another for QPR.

I think the main point here is that there was no rule for West Ham, when there clearly was one for QPR

[Svlad Cjelli]

.... especially if it can be proven that they knowingly submitted false documents in order to avoid this, which is one of the FA charges.

That the "smoking gun" here - knowledge of wrongdoing and attempts to avoid it.

[Negative_Jeff]

Quite a bit to read here but stick with it, it's an excellent summary on a QPR blog

This Week – Hello darkness my old friend

Excellent summary indeed. Put's Paladini's lunacy into perspective. What an absolute tool bag.

Agreed. Just as an aside I have been watching football for over fifty years and a lot of it of it has been shite. However that QPR team from 1976 and the Tottenham Double team from 1961 are the best I have ever seen.

[PistolPete]

As someone posted on a QPR forum, the only happy party could be Cardiff who still have considerable financial problems:

QPR survive points deduction and go up as champions, Cardiff sue QPR in a similar way that Sheffield Utd sued West Ham, QPR settle for £30-50m out of court!

[gazzer, loyal royal]

The Tevez affair only directly effected one club which was Sheff United, as they were the ones who would have stayed up.

This could impact positions 2-7, so could be a bigger mess than the West Ham affair

[bobby m's syrup]

I have tried to keep up with this thread, but at the risk of a) sounding naive and b) rehashing a point made somewhere I hadn't seen..
Wasn't the Tevez case outcome decided under Premiership rules? In addition, I have read elsewhere that the FA are determined to settle this one quickly, so as not have the same potential balls up when compiling next season's fixture list

[Mr Angry]

The point is this; if this had been a mid table League 2 or a non-League side, there would be no question as to the punishment - points deducted equating to the points achieved whenever the guy was in the playing squad, and a massive fine with further suspended sanctions in case they transgress again.

BUT - because its QPR, with massively wealthy backers who will employ an army of hugely expensive lawyers threatening to sue the FL if they so much as cast a negative glance their way, my prediction is that the worst they will get is a insignificant fine (less than £1M) a portion of which will be suspended, and no points deducted.

Sadly, as the rewards for achieving PL status grow ever larger, chancers such as QPR's owners will bend the rules to achieve the pot off gold. Unless the FL clamp down hard, you will see this happen again and again as those clubs with corrupt owners will do whatever they can to get the loot.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

I have tried to keep up with this thread, but at the risk of a) sounding naive and b) rehashing a point made somewhere I hadn't seen..
Wasn't the Tevez case outcome decided under Premiership rules? In addition, I have read elsewhere that the FA are determined to settle this one quickly, so as not have the same potential balls up when compiling next season's fixture list

There was no rule as such for the Tevez case, just that they didn't disclose all the information to the FA. Apparently QPR have been under investigation for over a year, so I can imagine enough evidence has been gathered and collated to make it a quick decision from the authorities. However, whichever way the FA decide to go, whether it be a point deduction or just a fine, there will be appeals from QPR if there is a point deduction, and from other clubs in the race if there isn't

I think the main arguement is, that if QPR do just get a fine, the money made from premiership revenue will be greater than any fine imposed to a championship club.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

The point is this; if this had been a mid table League 2 or a non-League side, there would be no question as to the punishment - points deducted equating to the points achieved whenever the guy was in the playing squad, and a massive fine with further suspended sanctions in case they transgress again.

BUT - because its QPR, with massively wealthy backers who will employ an army of hugely expensive lawyers threatening to sue the FL if they so much as cast a negative glance their way, my prediction is that the worst they will get is a insignificant fine (less than £1M) a portion of which will be suspended, and no points deducted.

Sadly, as the rewards for achieving PL status grow ever larger, chancers such as QPR's owners will bend the rules to achieve the pot off gold. Unless the FL clamp down hard, you will see this happen again and again as those clubs with corrupt owners will do whatever they can to get the loot.

AFC Wimbledon got an 18 point deduction, Later reduced to 3 on appeal, after fielding an ineligible player for 1 game. Faurlin has been ineligible since he signed until sometime in 2011 when this was all sorted out. The fact that QPR's rule breaks are more serious than this, i can only see a largish points deduction

[ZacNaloen]

FTR he was ineligible for the entirety of the 2009/2010 season and up until january this season.

[southbank1871]

I'd love to wrong here, but I'd be astonished if there is a points deduction here. I can see a hefty fine and a suspended points deduction.

[Mr Angry]

FTR he was ineligible for the entirety of the 2009/2010 season and up until january this season.

So in effect, QPR should have had points deducted LAST season.......so they should have got relegated rather than (ironically seeing as its Colin) Shef Weds!!



Blimey, this is a proper can o' worms and no mistake mister!!!!!

[brendywendy]

oh pleeeeeeaaaaassssseeee throw the book at them, pleeeeeeaaaaaasssseeee

id happily give my own appendix out with some pliers if the FA take points off colin

and make QPR pay every team that went down last year, and every team that didnt go up due to points lost against QPR- would that include us?

[Stuka]

QPR are scum. Yet another shameful chapter in the history of this spiv club.