QPR points deduction?

[Barry the bird boggler]

Precedent in other leagues is that clubs lose the points gained while fielding said player. Believe this happened last season in one of the non league's but can't remember which one.

Clubs also regularly get thrown out of cups for fielding ineligible players even if they're the one who actually point it out so applying just a fine would be extremely questionable.

My guess though, that there is about as much chance of them getting a serious points deduction as there is of Pompey being punished for cheating.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Well a club could sue QPR, same a s Sheff U did West Ham, and claim damages.

Luton will start next season on an unprecedented minus 30 points after a ruling by the Football League.

The Hatters had already been deducted 10 points by the Football Association after being found guilty of misconduct for paying agents via a third party.

[bigmike]

If the Hearing is delayed untill after the end of the season and QPR win the league. Would they strip them of the title and give it to 2nd place?

[Wycombe Royal]

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/london-qpr/2011/03/10/qpr-agent-in-faurlin-transfer-tangle-revealed-82029-28313915/

THE SO-CALLED ‘unauthorised’ agent at the centre of the QPR Alejandro Faurlin furore is believed to be Italian Peppino Tirri.

But far from lacking credentials, the 54-year-old Italian is a registered FIFA agent whose offices are just off Piccadilly Circus and numbers the likes of Luis Figo among his clients.

Chronicle sport has learned Tirri’s name is at the bottom of the FA documents for the Argentine’s registration when he joined Rangers in 2009.

Yesterday, the club and chairman Gianni Paladini were charged with seven counts of breaching FA rules relating to transfer rules and regulations that include third party involvement and payments to an unauthorised agent.

If found guilty the Championship table-toppers could lose points and/or suffer a hefty fine.

But Rs are confident that not only is everything above aboard, their legal team will have the case thrown out before it reaches the hearing stage.

Nothing has been hidden or any document altered, as was the allegation made against West Ham in 2007 during the Carlos Tevez affair it’s understood – and Hoops are mystified that two years after they signed the 24-year-old midfielder, the sport’s domestic authority want to take action now.

"Barristers working for the club have looked at it from top to bottom – and there is no case to answer," said an insider.



Read More http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london ... z1GCyer1D3

[brendywendy]

well they would say that wouldnt they

would the FA reallly investigate secretly for a year and go public with a pile of rubbish?
i guess its the FA so anythings possible

[Ark Royal]

Any hearing and verdict surely would have to happen as quickly as possible because the season's end is so close. If the False Hoops are found guilty AFTER the season proper has finished and the play-offs concluded then that would be a recipe for disaster. In that case, what would happen to the team that finished seventh?

Just to avoid this scenario, I reckon the FA will land them with a HUGE fine - probably the largest-ever - and nothing more.

[TFF]

Just to avoid this scenario, I reckon the FA will land them with a HUGE fine - probably the largest-ever - and nothing more.

I hope even the FA aren't that short-sighted. How large is large enough? £5M, £10M?

If they only apply a financial penalty other clubs might see bending the rules as a legitimate tactic. If they get caught, that's the price of success. There's £50M available for getting into the Prem - plenty would gamble.

[Ian Royal]

I don't want to see QPR docked any points at all.

Considering West Ham didn't have any points deducted it would be unfair for QPR to be dealt that punishment. It would just show the favouritism that big clubs enjoy from the authorities in this nation.

It is the same favouritism that big companies seem to enjoy from the government when it comes to issues of being allowed to get away with only paying 1% corporation tax or when banks are bailed out and small firms are not bailed out.

That's like saying don't get Gadaffi for War Crimes
because Atilla the Hun didn't get done.

It's precisely BECAUSE West Ham squeaked through (and in the process set Sheffield United back probably 20 years) that the rules were tightened.

QPR clearly broke rules AFTER knowing all about these issues

then they were given a chance to clean up the mess but CONTINUED LYING

Much as I fee for the fans (my brother-in-law and nephews are QPR fans)
IMO they should be nothing less than relegated with a 10 Million fine

Well, I don't think Gadaffi should be done for war crimes if Bush and Blair won't get done for it.

You can't have one rule for Bush and Blair and another rule for everyone else. Just like you can't have one rule for West Ham and another for QPR.

That makes perfect sense... the first time someone gets off on a technicality for a crime they clearly committed, lets just stop bothering to charge anyone else ever with that crime.

Can't see any potential problems with that.

[Arch]

[Royal Rother]

Forthcoming events:

Relegation and £10m fine.
Money-men pull out.
Colin leaves.
Mass exodus of players.
Terrible start to the season.
Administration and points deduction.
Relegation.

Yep, give it 16 months and they'll be preparing for the start of the 2012/13 season in League 2.

[Snowball]

Any hearing and verdict surely would have to happen as quickly as possible because the season's end is so close. If the False Hoops are found guilty AFTER the season proper has finished and the play-offs concluded then that would be a recipe for disaster. In that case, what would happen to the team that finished seventh?

Just to avoid this scenario, I reckon the FA will land them with a HUGE fine - probably the largest-ever - and nothing more.

All the other clubs could then sue. Could be FUN.

[Snowball]

Forthcoming events:

Relegation and £10m fine.
Money-men pull out.
Colin leaves.
Mass exodus of players.
Terrible start to the season.
Administration and points deduction.
Relegation.

Yep, give it 14 months and they'll be training for the start of the 2012/13 season in League 2.

AND IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THE SPORT.

It's a Mickey-Mouse set-up, lost 13.7 M last year, iffy loans, dodgy practices. Until a club goes to the wall, they will all keep doing stuff like this, racking up massive debts, bungs, whatever

[Ark Royal]

Just to avoid this scenario, I reckon the FA will land them with a HUGE fine - probably the largest-ever - and nothing more.

I hope even the FA aren't that short-sighted. How large is large enough? £5M, £10M?

If they only apply a financial penalty other clubs might see bending the rules as a legitimate tactic. If they get caught, that's the price of success. There's £50M available for getting into the Prem - plenty would gamble.

I think that if QPR were mid-table or lower reaches then a points deduction and (maybe) inevitable relegation would be a no-brainer. The FA would have been all over that like a bad suit. I think that it is precisely where they are in the table and the chaos that could ensue, is why the FA could land them with just a monster fine - maybe even their cut of the Prem money. Wishful thinking, maybe.

"Here you go Mr Wan ker - you want Premier League footy in Shepherds Bush, but your club cheated to get it. You can go up, but no pie for you. See you back in the Championship VERY soon. Bye."

[Forty]

The main difference between this and the colin vs west ham job, is that it was too late, iirc to fix it last time. Transfers and fixtures had already been done, new season imminently (if not already) started- so it would have been a massive job to move the teams. This time, there's plenty of time left to get it done, and please please please remove points.

[Barry the bird boggler]

So when will it be decided if there's a case to answer? From reading the last press release QPR are still highly hopeful that this is just much ado about nothing and it won't even get to court.

[Ian Royal]

So when will it be decided if there's a case to answer? From reading the last press release QPR are still highly hopeful that this is just much ado about nothing and it won't even get to court.

court schmort... It's only going to end up in Court after the FA make their decision and decide whether they will listen to any appeals as it's a football and not legal matter.

Court will be when QPR panic and try to get the decision overturned as unfair / when half a dozen clubs sue QPR for loss of earnings.

[Sarah Star]

FA pushing for an early hearing, apparently. They've been investigating since September.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 421321.stm

[Royal Rother]

QPR will NOT be playing football in the Premier League next season. FACT.

Well, it's not actually, but I'm very very confident.

Even more confident than I was that Portsmouth would be closed down...

[RoyalBlue]

Things now looking more promising for Colin's self-combustion. One of the charges relates to the use of an unlicensed agent and Luton were docked 10 points when they were fould guilty of that!

[Ferris]

Even more confident than I was that Portsmouth would be closed down...

This is exactly why I can't get my hopes up, after previously convincing myself Pompey were gonna go bust only to see them get away with it. I don't think I could go through that kind of pain again