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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by bcubed » 20 Mar 2011 05:37

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From friends at the game he looked uncomfortable on the ball, gave it away time and time again and was generally ineffective and lost.


If this is about Church I agree

If about Howard i thought it was his best game for a while and he appreciated the freedom he had in this role, looked comfortable on the ball throughout and made several telling passes. Well played Brian

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Archie's penalty » 20 Mar 2011 05:55

Great play by Long for the goal. Reminds me more and more of Doyle every day.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Elmer Park » 20 Mar 2011 13:42

Not a classic performance in my view but good enough to win and that is all that counts.

McCarthy has done all that has been asked of him so far and again made a couple of good stops. Got away with what may have been one Almunia moment although it was hard to apportion blame from 100 yards away. Against Barnsley the experience and composure of that back four was good enough. In midfield Jem and Tabby did what they do, Howard found a lot of space and had a decent game. Out wide Jimmy threatened without end product. On the other wing if Church wasn't out of favour with our fans I think we would be saying he did a job for the team without standing out. He did however disappointingly miss the one on one - maybe playing against England will boost his confidence. Up front Shane as always worked his socks off although he looked much more threatening once he had the second striker supporting him. Manset looked a threat - he is a good sub to bring on but seems to me to be looking fitter now.

Despite the win it will be interesting to see which players come back in against Pompey if they are fit again. Not sure who will be fit but I think McD might bring in a specialist right back if one is fit and if past record is anything to go by, Mills will return. Presumably Ledge, Jobi and Hunty too. I wouldn't rule out McD bringing Feds straight back in when available too. Anyway, I suspect Feds and a few of the other injured guys will be out for a few matches yet.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Barry the bird boggler » 20 Mar 2011 14:33

susieroyal Church was poor IMO, but he's not a winger so it was no great surprise. We had very little width for much of the game.


Funny really as his best performance for Reading is still the 45 minutes he had v Burnley in the play offs when he was out on the right wing....

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by susieroyal » 20 Mar 2011 16:37

Wish he had played that well yesterday.

Kebe was more frustrating yesterday though, he didnt look interested at all at times.


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by Mr Angry » 20 Mar 2011 16:41

susieroyal Wish he had played that well yesterday.

Kebe was more frustrating yesterday though, he didnt look interested at all at times.


Thats Kebe though, isn't it?

He got sent off at Barnsley last season (iirc) so maybe he has negative thoughts about the place.............

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by susieroyal » 20 Mar 2011 16:53

Yeah he did, although from my clear view 100 yeards away, it was never a sending off :wink:

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by Mike Hunt » 20 Mar 2011 17:31

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susieroyal Wish he had played that well yesterday.

Kebe was more frustrating yesterday though, he didnt look interested at all at times.


Thats Kebe though, isn't it?

He got sent off at Barnsley last season (iirc) so maybe he has negative thoughts about the place.............



Wasnt that in 2008?

Or has he been sent off more than once at Barnsley?

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by RobRoyal » 20 Mar 2011 17:34

Ian Royal Nice to see some consistent reports. Neutrals have Church as impressive, whilst all Hobnobers have him as poor. Two have Howard as good, one has him as shite. :roll:


Well if by "neutrals" you mean the national media, you know better than to trust reports that are written for the PA, which are based on little more than "4 mins, Chruch shoots at keeper.... 15 mins, Church shoots wide..." Then they add the colour and he's "impressive"

As for Howard, if I'm the one poster who had him as shite then let me clarify. He was alright in my book, it was just that he had the chance to be influential yesterday given the wide spaces Barnsley left in midfield. At least twice he ran (ok, waddled) clear with Long making a run ahead of him, and failed to produce a shooting chance for Long or himself. Once he was fouled, in fairness, but I felt that he'd hung on to the ball too long at that point anyway and the chance had gone.


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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by susieroyal » 20 Mar 2011 17:34

Not sure, all these South Yorkshire away games seem to merge into one after a while.

The one I'm thinking about was in the 1st half up the other end and we all gave the ref loads of shit when he went off at half time.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Kitsondinho » 20 Mar 2011 17:52

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susieroyal Wish he had played that well yesterday.

Kebe was more frustrating yesterday though, he didnt look interested at all at times.


Thats Kebe though, isn't it?

He got sent off at Barnsley last season (iirc) so maybe he has negative thoughts about the place.............



Wasnt that in 2008?

Or has he been sent off more than once at Barnsley?

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by Svlad Cjelli » 20 Mar 2011 18:05

Very drab first half - Barnsley had absolutely no ideas or creativity whatsoever and we allowed ourselves to be dragged down to their level. Their only tactic was to put a boot through the ball and hope is went to Harewood - who looks as ineffective as he has with all his other clubs. The game was there for the taking but no-one seemed up for grabbing it by the scrap of the neck - everyone was reacting rather than attacking the ball much (Kebe especially, who had a very lacklustre afternoon).

Church, as mentioned, had a great one-on-one early on - after missing that he looked to be even lower on confidence than before, and was hardly in the game - at one stage Kebe came and played on the same wing as him but Church stayed where he was also so we had two wingers on one side of the pitch. I really do feel for the poor lad and think a loan spell somewhere is the only way he'll regain the confidence he's so short of.

Howard had a really good game - just about all our creativity in the first hour came from him, whilst Tabb was efficient in midfield. McCarthy was rarely called on but produced a couple of really good saves when called on - and his distribution was good too - he's happy to throw it to a player in a good position rather than always, always, kick it.

BMc is either a very lucky manager or a genius - as shortly after Manset came on he scored. But th goal was really down to Long's chasing of lost causes - the defender was shepherding the ball out, away from Manset, when Long nipped in from the other side, kept the ball on and passed it to the Beast. It was a poor pass, too far behind him, tbh, but Manset controlled it and scored.

Manset also showed some other great touches and shots - he's not just a big target man there's much more to his game than that, and I think BMc may have another gem on his hands there.

All in all another highly successful day in South Yorkshire - good, cheap beer and 3 points, as usual.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by RoyalBlue » 20 Mar 2011 18:55

Kitsondinho A good away day overall, I love going to Barnsley! 3 points and home by 18:00!! We were pretty awful first half, looking slow and resorting to too many aimless punts unfield. Church had a total mare and clearly isn't a winger. However I think his day would been very different if he had scored in the first few mins. Bryn played well in the first half. However in the 2nd he seemed to tire and had a shocker, he kept giving the ball away and made several poor decisions. Despite the fact I think very little of him, Howard played well. He made some telling passes and made life difficult for the Barnsley back 4. Something I did notice was that the speed of his passing is a lot slower than Legs. Howard likes to take his time and pick his pass, whereas Legs has less passing ability and looks to use the ball quickly. There were several times when Howard got fouled because he retained the ball, rather than releasing it early.


Fair enough to criticise a player if he dwells on the ball and gets dispossessed but is it really a crime when he ends up getting fouled/drawing a foul? We ought to be able to work some opportunities from the resulting free kicks and, if it keeps happening, the ref has to take action against the offender(s).


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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by The Prisoner » 20 Mar 2011 20:49

For all the Howard knockers...http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums ... 3#M1281333

Give the guy a break.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by handbags_harris » 20 Mar 2011 21:41

Hardly a classic, thep itch was never conducive to playing free flowing football but we did what we needed to do. First half, very very turgid stuff however there's no doubting that we should have scored in the first five minutes. Otherwise two teams cancelling each other out. Second half, as is so very often the case under McDermott, much much better and much much more potent. Fact is we are a better footballing side than Barnsley and the only way they were ever going to score was through a cock-up on our parts, and God did we nearly gift it to them!! Otherwise, seriously, we were so in control it was like watching us play a team from the Zamaretto League with Harewood up front. The composure Zurab and Harte showed on the ball put Barnsley's defenders to shame, when the ball went anywhere near them they had clearly been to the Martin Hicks school of defending. Can't really fault any of our players today, all performed what was required of them without being spectacular. Poor game, win ground out, 7th, and making a charge for the playoffs just at the right time...

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by Kitson12 » 20 Mar 2011 22:17

handbags_harris Hardly a classic, thep itch was never conducive to playing free flowing football but we did what we needed to do. First half, very very turgid stuff however there's no doubting that we should have scored in the first five minutes. Otherwise two teams cancelling each other out. Second half, as is so very often the case under McDermott, much much better and much much more potent. Fact is we are a better footballing side than Barnsley and the only way they were ever going to score was through a cock-up on our parts, and God did we nearly gift it to them!! Otherwise, seriously, we were so in control it was like watching us play a team from the Zamaretto League with Harewood up front. The composure Zurab and Harte showed on the ball put Barnsley's defenders to shame, when the ball went anywhere near them they had clearly been to the Martin Hicks school of defending. Can't really fault any of our players today, all performed what was required of them without being spectacular. Poor game, win ground out, 7th, and making a charge for the playoffs just at the right time...

Don't disagree with any of that.

I was surprised, considering the way refs seem to treat Long that he wasn't penalised for using his strength on Nathan Doyle. But that was a moment of magic from him just chasing down a lost cause. Looking more like Doyle every game (as another poster said earlier).

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by RoyalBlue » 20 Mar 2011 22:33

The Prisoner For all the Howard knockers...http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums ... 3#M1281333

Give the guy a break.


A couple of views from there:

Brian Howard
Exactly what we are missing in midfield. Somebody who can drive forward with the ball, pick out passes and shoots. Still a better player than our lot.


I thought the same
that old trick of drawing fouls around the edge of the box still works well for him. Wanted the ball all the time, unlike our midfield two.

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Snowball » 21 Mar 2011 00:56

Just got back. Had lunch on Sunday with some Wednesday fans who believe United and Wednesday will eventually end up in the 4th tier.


McArthy will be a top-top keeper. It's not just his shot-stopping which I think is already as good or better than Feds,
but he also dominates the area more, comes for catches or punches clear. If he bulks up, as seems likely, by 25 he
will be an awesome keeper. Made a very good save first half and stood up well to two in the second half. The second
he rushed the player and did very well indeed. I'm going to see what odds I can get for him playing for the England
senior side. If he's this good now...

First half was the most mistake-filled half I've ever seen. Church was robbed twice on the touchline when
there was no way he could be... and he didn't chase back to try and rectify the situation. From a way away his
chance looked gilt-edged and he should have scored. Still off the boil. I feel sorry for him.

Gunnar was OK but kept winning ball and then giving it away. As a team it looked like they'd all bet good money
that Barnsley would win and they were trying to make it happen. If we play like that first have v Pompey we'll
be0-4 down at HT. Second half started similarly but we got better and better. Long was ripping their FBs to pieces
and looked a league and a half above them.

Hir chase down for the goal was quite brilliant. He ran 40-50-60 diagonal yards to get there, the defender had an easy job
but Long got a foot round the guy and hooked the ball, nutmegging the defender. As he surged across the box Manset
did really well to make space and he just had to be fed. Brilliant goal and another superb assist for Shane.

Manset looks like he's very special. Very nice work to take the goal, one great move and shoot from about 25 yards
and he was dangerous throughout. He chased down a FB (a la Long) and won the ball. Don't be surprised if he turns
into a top player.

Antonio was much better.

Zurab and Harte had good games, I thought. We missed the calm efficiency of Elwood and need a big man in midfield.

Kebe looks like his mind is elsewhere.

I think that was Howard's last game and he knew it. He seemed desperate to score a goal and make a goal
and for some reason was given loads of space... still failed to make the good pass when it was being screamed for.

He applauded the fans all the way as he walked off. I expect him to go to Saints on Monday


Fantastic set of results for us. We will never have such a chance as now. Reading v Swansea at Wembley, and we'll win!!

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Re: Back from the the game - Barnsley (A)

by Compo's Hat » 21 Mar 2011 01:08

Handbags and Dirk have pretty much covered everything i would of said but a couple of other notes.

Thought the game needed a Manset type figure at half time to win headers which we weren't in the first half although i have now witnessed a Kebe diving header. If it's any consolation for Church, i thought his corners were pretty decent.

Oh and i hope the dead heads shut up now with there terrible chants towards the end of the game having been put in their place by a few of us!

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by T.R.O.L.I. » 21 Mar 2011 01:25

Compo's Hat Oh and i hope the dead heads shut up now with there terrible chants towards the end of the game having been put in their place by a few of us!


Care to elaborate, Compo? Similar scenario to Ipswich?

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