Mills to Leicester 5 Million

[Avon Royal]

Does anyone else think that Leicester have spent a lot of money (inc. wages) on an awful lot of good/average championship players?

Danns was good for Palace but hardly stood out in their bottom of the table side, Nugent was extremely average as first choice Champ strikers go, Schmeichel was good but still conceding more goals than nearly any other keeper in the league, Peltier I rate highly but isn't anything better than a lot of Champ teams have, St Ledger was a great player but has gone off the rails a bit since he was loaned to Boro.

I think they'll be up there, but I don't think they've put themselves in a position of favourites by any means, they've spent a lot of money without adding much to their team that scares me. Especially when you consider the talent that they've lost from the last two seasons in the same space... fryatt, hobbs, naughton, van aanholt, some of their best players

How many of the 106 squad were anything other than "good/average championship players" at the start of that season?

[leicsRoyal]

Only d1ckhead Rofleading fans don't rate Mills because he rightly told the poor loves to Fuck off as Long and Howard should have done when they were booed and Hughes and Jones should have when they were getting abuse while playing for us.

Mills is one of the best CB's in the league as Jobi said on the radio earlier and McD is really pissed off about losing him but as usual Rofleading fans show their ability to make things up about players they have a personal dislike for.

Everybody has an opinion, you clearly thought a lot of Mills.

I wasn't a huge fan but would not have wanted him to go for next to nothing. I just don't think he was good for our style of football, although a good defender no doubt. A good captain?? I wasn't convinced with that either.
Premier clubs were not prepared to meet the £4 million for him so for a Championship club to offer £5 million is somewhat laughable.

From what I understand, we offered him a decent new contract 3 months ago, which he rejected. If we had been promoted who knows what may have happened, personally I think he would still have left.

I can't fault him for going to anybody who say sign here and we'll give you 500k now and another 25k a week for the next 3 years. If there is one person laughing all the way to the bank more than SJM then it is Mills himself.

Just my opinions.

[Big Ern]

What annoys me is we sold to a rival championship club. I would have not been too bothered had he gone to a Prem side, who would deny him tht, but another Championship club just goes to show we are still trying to do things on the cheap, and Madejski doesn't give a toss about the clb anymore.

I am getting tired of this 'well run' club bolloxs as some have already pointed out, if we are so well run, why do we sell of our best players every year, and hardly anything is then reinvested into the team.

[fester_royal]

loving fester fans at the moment.. calling us fickle and plastic for slagging mills off and thinking theyve won the league already. how they came to the conclusion hes a premier league CB ill have no idea, hammond is a marketing genius!!!

theyll soon forgive bamba when they see how slow mills is

.. and another brain-dead idiot joins the fray.

Oxford off and do one!

Brain dead idiot for what exactly? For disliking Leicester fans? Having lived there for five years I assure you I'm perfectly within my rights to think little of them.

But then as an an individual insulting strangers on an Internet forum you've never made sweeping baseless statements have you

[brendywendy]

couldnt hòld on to him.obviously wanted to go if hes gone there. Oh well.not massively upset hes gone.error prone,and liable to lose his head.not really skipper material imo.but he was a decent cb at this level,and vital in terms of numbers,and the idea of not getting any of it to reinvest is pretty shit imo. If its not just bmcd trying to keep the price down on players we are trying to buy, and we are seriously saying he has to go with what weve got again,i think we are asking alot of him,and he may well be really hacked off about this.

[Pete10]

A good young player why let him go . The club is selling all the best players what a surprise. I think we need Frank Waller back .

[Woodcote Royal]

And what happens if, as many sane people seem to think, Sven doesn't actually know what it takes to get out of the Championship, the gamble doesn't come off and they fail to go up - what happens then?

What always happens next...............Sven the parasite moves on to the next bunch of willing mugs.

[sandman]

Only d1ckhead Rofleading fans don't rate Mills because he rightly told the poor loves to Fuck off as Long and Howard should have done when they were booed and Hughes and Jones should have when they were getting abuse while playing for us.

Mills is one of the best CB's in the league as Jobi said on the radio earlier and McD is really pissed off about losing him but as usual Rofleading fans show their ability to make things up about players they have a personal dislike for.

Everybody has an opinion, you clearly thought a lot of Mills.

I wasn't a huge fan but would not have wanted him to go for next to nothing. I just don't think he was good for our style of football, although a good defender no doubt. A good captain?? I wasn't convinced with that either.
Premier clubs were not prepared to meet the £4 million for him so for a Championship club to offer £5 million is somewhat laughable.

From what I understand, we offered him a decent new contract 3 months ago, which he rejected. If we had been promoted who knows what may have happened, personally I think he would still have left.

I can't fault him for going to anybody who say sign here and we'll give you 500k now and another 25k a week for the next 3 years. If there is one person laughing all the way to the bank more than SJM then it is Mills himself.

Just my opinions.

Actually I thought he was average for a lot of last season (as were most of the team) but he was colossal in the last few months and proved what a good player he is and will continue to grow into. I'm not claiming that he is new Vidic but he is far better than the blinded by hate fools on here say he is. It's pretty obvious Brian is fed up about selling him and I'd take his opinion over the lynch mob.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

...would love to have seen Jez Moxeys face when the deal went through.....so bloody arrogant that they were certain they'd get him and also dictate the transfer fee ..........wonder if Moxey knows Sonkos available

[DavidM62]

This just confirms my view that Sven is a complete nob head who achived nothing with England or any or club/country that he has managed subsequently.

Sacked by Xmas.

[Royal Rother]

Fans might like a declaration of intent for a few weeks but it damned soon fades into irrelevance when results don't go their way....

It seems reasonable to assume that Leicester will be spending £20m and an additional £100k per week on wages. (Maybe it'll end up being more than that.)

They need to get a lot of fans in to cover that every week - even including merchandise income from those in attendance it could be as many as 15,000 extra fans for every home game.

With a capacity of 32,000 they can only get another 8,000 in on top of last season's gates.

And as the cutbacks bite harder are they likely to even fill the ground every week for Championship football? I doubt it personally.

And what happens if, as many sane people seem to think, Sven doesn't actually know what it takes to get out of the Championship, the gamble doesn't come off and they fail to go up - what happens then?

Pah! Their wonderful declaration of intent won't be worth a jizz.

And another thing - if RFC was not run in a sensible and prudent way, would we have held out as long as we did and got such a brilliant deal on Mills? No way. Clubs who need the money are far less likely to get top fees. It is no coincidence that we generally get top dollar for our players when they leave. Yes, I'm sure it's good work from Hammond but it's also because we are never desperate to sell, never desperate for the money.

That good financial management of the last few years pays dividends in these situations and it will be self-perpetuating as little by little all the deficits are wiped out and we give ourselves a stronger and stronger negotiating hand, just as, at the same time, other clubs take themselves deeper into dodgy waters and weaker positions. Okay those other clubs might not receive adequate punishment when it all goes tits up, but I'd rather be in our position.

Better to try and fail than never try at all.

If RFC is run in such "a sensible and prudent way", how come their business model relies on selling their best assets every year just to balance the books?

AND

I am getting tired of this 'well run' club bolloxs as some have already pointed out, if we are so well run, why do we sell of our best players every year, and hardly anything is then reinvested into the team.

Because, quite clearly it works.

Ok, I'm a patient man, so I'll explain...

If the average operating loss without selling players is £4m then if we budgeted for no operating loss it stands to reason we'd have £4m less to spend on players' wages, management and essential infrastructure.

And I'm hopeful you'd agree that if we took that course of action the chances of challenging for promotion would be much reduced.

The reason we don't go down that route, and why we are able to budget for an operating loss, is because we are pretty secure in the knowledge that, due to the excellence of the adademy and scouting network / recruitment policy (and the vision and long-term investment in those areas), we will always have good players who can be sold at an excellent profit to make up for the shortfall.

That my friend, whether you get it or not, is GOOD BUSINESS!!

[sandman]

So we're the new Crewe then. GGGRRREEEAAATTT

[Ian Royal]

Does anyone else think that Leicester have spent a lot of money (inc. wages) on an awful lot of good/average championship players?

Danns was good for Palace but hardly stood out in their bottom of the table side, Nugent was extremely average as first choice Champ strikers go, Schmeichel was good but still conceding more goals than nearly any other keeper in the league, Peltier I rate highly but isn't anything better than a lot of Champ teams have, St Ledger was a great player but has gone off the rails a bit since he was loaned to Boro.

I think they'll be up there, but I don't think they've put themselves in a position of favourites by any means, they've spent a lot of money without adding much to their team that scares me. Especially when you consider the talent that they've lost from the last two seasons in the same space... fryatt, hobbs, naughton, van aanholt, some of their best players

How many of the 106 squad were anything other than "good/average championship players" at the start of that season?

Hahnemann, Shorey, Sidwell, Ingimarsson and Kitson for starters.

What annoys me is we sold to a rival championship club. I would have not been too bothered had he gone to a Prem side, who would deny him tht, but another Championship club just goes to show we are still trying to do things on the cheap, and Madejski doesn't give a toss about the clb anymore.

I am getting tired of this 'well run' club bolloxs as some have already pointed out, if we are so well run, why do we sell of our best players every year, and hardly anything is then reinvested into the team.

Because whilst we're well run, we are still far from a big club and a club our size can't hold on to top quality, very ambitious or greedy players, certainly not whilst being well run. We've kept hold of some pretty important players beyond when we really had a right to.

Please note Mills didn't come in the top three in POTS. TBH he wouldn't have come in my top 5! -> Long, Kebe, Karacan, Leigertwood, McAnuff & Harte all ahead of him for me.

We've spent something between £500k and £1m before we even sold Mills this summer.

[Woodcote Royal]

Fans might like a declaration of intent for a few weeks but it damned soon fades into irrelevance when results don't go their way....

It seems reasonable to assume that Leicester will be spending £20m and an additional £100k per week on wages. (Maybe it'll end up being more than that.)

They need to get a lot of fans in to cover that every week - even including merchandise income from those in attendance it could be as many as 15,000 extra fans for every home game.

With a capacity of 32,000 they can only get another 8,000 in on top of last season's gates.

And as the cutbacks bite harder are they likely to even fill the ground every week for Championship football? I doubt it personally.

And what happens if, as many sane people seem to think, Sven doesn't actually know what it takes to get out of the Championship, the gamble doesn't come off and they fail to go up - what happens then?

Pah! Their wonderful declaration of intent won't be worth a jizz.

And another thing - if RFC was not run in a sensible and prudent way, would we have held out as long as we did and got such a brilliant deal on Mills? No way. Clubs who need the money are far less likely to get top fees. It is no coincidence that we generally get top dollar for our players when they leave. Yes, I'm sure it's good work from Hammond but it's also because we are never desperate to sell, never desperate for the money.

That good financial management of the last few years pays dividends in these situations and it will be self-perpetuating as little by little all the deficits are wiped out and we give ourselves a stronger and stronger negotiating hand, just as, at the same time, other clubs take themselves deeper into dodgy waters and weaker positions. Okay those other clubs might not receive adequate punishment when it all goes tits up, but I'd rather be in our position.

Better to try and fail than never try at all.

If RFC is run in such "a sensible and prudent way", how come their business model relies on selling their best assets every year just to balance the books?

Because, quite clearly it works.

Ok, I'm a patient man, so I'll explain...

If the average operating loss without selling players is £4m then if we budgeted for no operating loss it stands to reason we'd have £4m less to spend on players' wages, management and essential infrastructure.

And I'm hopeful you'd agree that if we took that course of action the chances of challenging for promotion would be much reduced.

The reason we don't go down that route, and why we are able to budget for an operating loss, is because we are pretty secure in the knowledge that, due to the excellence of the adademy and scouting network / recruitment policy (and the vision and long-term investment in those areas), we will always have good players who can be sold at an excellent profit to make up for the shortfall.

That my friend, whether you get it or not, is GOOD BUSINESS!!

And this is why I have an accountant

Some of you should print off RR's observations here, take them to bed and don't turn out the light before you really understand them.

[Avon Royal]

Fans might like a declaration of intent for a few weeks but it damned soon fades into irrelevance when results don't go their way....

It seems reasonable to assume that Leicester will be spending £20m and an additional £100k per week on wages. (Maybe it'll end up being more than that.)

They need to get a lot of fans in to cover that every week - even including merchandise income from those in attendance it could be as many as 15,000 extra fans for every home game.

With a capacity of 32,000 they can only get another 8,000 in on top of last season's gates.

And as the cutbacks bite harder are they likely to even fill the ground every week for Championship football? I doubt it personally.

And what happens if, as many sane people seem to think, Sven doesn't actually know what it takes to get out of the Championship, the gamble doesn't come off and they fail to go up - what happens then?

Pah! Their wonderful declaration of intent won't be worth a jizz.

And another thing - if RFC was not run in a sensible and prudent way, would we have held out as long as we did and got such a brilliant deal on Mills? No way. Clubs who need the money are far less likely to get top fees. It is no coincidence that we generally get top dollar for our players when they leave. Yes, I'm sure it's good work from Hammond but it's also because we are never desperate to sell, never desperate for the money.

That good financial management of the last few years pays dividends in these situations and it will be self-perpetuating as little by little all the deficits are wiped out and we give ourselves a stronger and stronger negotiating hand, just as, at the same time, other clubs take themselves deeper into dodgy waters and weaker positions. Okay those other clubs might not receive adequate punishment when it all goes tits up, but I'd rather be in our position.

Better to try and fail than never try at all.

If RFC is run in such "a sensible and prudent way", how come their business model relies on selling their best assets every year just to balance the books?

Because, quite clearly it works.

Ok, I'm a patient man, so I'll explain...

If the average operating loss without selling players is £4m then if we budgeted for no operating loss it stands to reason we'd have £4m less to spend on players wages, management and infrastructure.

And I'm hopeful you'd agree that if we took that course of action the chances of challenging for promotion would be much reduced.

The reason we don't go down that route, and why we are able to budget for an operating loss, is because we are pretty secure in the knowledge that, due to the excellence of the adademy and scouting network / recruitment policy (and the vision and long-term investment in those areas), we will always have good players who can be sold at an excellent profit to make up for the shortfall.

That my friend, whether you get it or not, is GOOD BUSINESS!!

You may well be right, however football is about so much more than just "GOOD BUSINESS". It is about passion, excitement, the pain of failure and the joy of victory. We don't turn up every week just to check that the club are still solvent.

[howser]

[quote="brendywendy"]couldnt hòld on to him.obviously wanted to go if hes gone there. Oh well.not massively upset hes gone.error prone,and liable to lose his head.not really skipper material imo.but he was a decent cb at this level,and vital in terms of numbers,and the idea of not getting any of it to reinvest is pretty shit imo. If its not just bmcd trying to keep the price down on players we are trying to buy, and we are seriously saying he has to go with what weve got again,i think we are asking alot of him,and he may well be really hacked off about this.[/quote]


Go with all of that, didnt know this had happened, have been away at the Scottish Open Golf today, but I read on here that McD said ?? that none of the Mills £5m will be spent on players, is that so and if so as I have asked here earlier on this thread, have we got anymore shortfalls that need to be filled, that you down there know about ?? McD worked miracles last season with very little financial input from the club, in relative terms with the other top half dozen or so teams in the Championship, but he can't keep on doing this, he is great at what he does but hell don't take all his good tools away ?

[Half Man Half Biscuit]

Yeah! I recall that as well.

[Woodcote Royal]

You may well be right, however football is about so much more than just "GOOD BUSINESS". It is about passion, excitement, the pain of failure and the joy of victory. We don't turn up every week just to check that the club are still solvent.

What have Leicester fans been privileged to witness over the last, say, decade that has been so superior to that seen by his Reading counterpart

[Avon Royal]

You may well be right, however football is about so much more than just "GOOD BUSINESS". It is about passion, excitement, the pain of failure and the joy of victory. We don't turn up every week just to check that the club are still solvent.

What have Leicester fans been privileged to witness over the last, say, decade that has been so superior to that seen by his Reading counterpart

What about the last, say, 30 years.............

[Ian Royal]

We haven't had this business model for 30 years.