RTGs v STGs

[Royalee]

then i shall invalidate it by agreeing with you!

coppell was the worst manager ever, and brendan rodgers was some sort of management genius.

lol

The truth is somewhere in between - nice to show you take it from one extreme to the other as per usual.

[Terminal Boardom]

I fall into neither camp. My gripe has been the bollocks spewing forth from SJM about ambition and determination. Just look at the crap he came out with after the play off final defeat. If only he would STFU and concentrate on keeping the club on an even keel instead of falsely raising the expectation levels of supporters.

He only raises the expectations of people like you, who by now should know how the club is run. We are determined to make it back to the Premier League. We are ambitious about how the club can grow on and off the pitch. But we'll do it our way and take our time over it.

When Rodgers took over Madj said he wanted a three year plan to get promotion. We're only just entering year three and we had an awful first half of year one with a managerial switch. McDermott is essentially entering year two considering his first half season was an exercise in damage limitation and forcing the club into a U-turn up the table away from relegation. And in (effective) year one we made the play off final and were competitive in it.

Always wondered where I was going wrong You really don't get my point do you. Let me spell it out. I do not lap up every word that spews from that man's mouth like some. Somewhat convenient that you choose to ignore the crap SJM came out with after the Wembley defeat.

The 3 year plan was BR's plan and not BMcD's plan. Has BMcD said anything about following the plan from the Man with the Bumper Book of Football? Thought not.

When it comes to self sustainability, I fully endorse what SJM is doing. It is the only, practical, sensible way forward. It will ensure that the finances are kept under control and to ensure that there is a club to support. What happens to that model after he leaves is anyone's guess.

[Ian Royal]

I'd rather assumed McDermott'd be given the same targets.

[brendywendy]

then i shall invalidate it by agreeing with you!

coppell was the worst manager ever, and brendan rodgers was some sort of management genius.

lol

The truth is somewhere in between - nice to show you take it from one extreme to the other as per usual.

lol.oh oxf*rd off you po faced, sanctimonious nob.

[brendywendy]

then i shall invalidate it by agreeing with you!

coppell was the worst manager ever, and brendan rodgers was some sort of management genius.

lol

The truth is somewhere in between - nice to show you take it from one extreme to the other as per usual.

and are you honestly saying you dont believe coppel was awful and rodgers great anymore? When did that happen then?

[Royalee]

then i shall invalidate it by agreeing with you!

coppell was the worst manager ever, and brendan rodgers was some sort of management genius.

lol

The truth is somewhere in between - nice to show you take it from one extreme to the other as per usual.

and are you honestly saying you dont believe coppel was awful and rodgers great anymore? When did that happen then?

I never said he was awful - there are worse managers, but he certainly wasn't the messiah some on here would have you believe. By the same token, Rodgers wasn't the new Mourinho, but he set up teams to play the right way with more attractive football and has been proven to be a very good manager with what he achieved last season. He is certainly more of a forward thinker than both McDermott and Coppell.

[handbags_harris]

I never said he was awful - there are worse managers, but he certainly wasn't the messiah some on here would have you believe. By the same token, Rodgers wasn't the new Mourinho, but he set up teams to play the right way with more attractive football and has been proven to be a very good manager with what he achieved last season. He is certainly more of a forward thinker than both McDermott and Coppell.

Remains to be seen how Rodgers'll do when he takes over a club that requires a radical overhaul to implement his style of play. Part of me hopes he's learnt from his time here where he just naively assumed it would all fall into place quickly. It's undeniable that he hasn't had to do foundation-building at Swansea, merely tweak bits here and there, but the success they had this season was deserved. They did, after all, finish third, kind of a divine right to go up if you finish third and there's three promotion places. Part of me, though, doesn't want him to learn after he made me sit through West Brom, QPR, Crystal Palace, Scunthorpe, Peterborough (second half) etc etc

[Terminal Boardom]

Fact is, Coppell will be revered because he was the first manager to take us into the top flight - just as the players will be. BR's downfall for me was that he tried to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear coupled with huge amounts of drivel. BR has done well at Swansea and I wish him well. He was the wrong manager at the time and results and performances back that up.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

BR's downfall for me was that he tried to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear coupled with huge amounts of drivel.

I don't think he handled the media well at all. His attempts at putting a positive spin on things just made him look like he was oblivious to the team's, and his own, failings.

And despite his claims that up until September was still "pre-season", we were actually getting worse as the season progressed.

[Svlad Cjelli]

And I firmly believe that one of the reasons BR was successful at Swansea was that he'd learnt from mistakes he made here - perhaps if he'd gone straight there he'd have not been as successful.

[brendywendy]

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The truth is somewhere in between - nice to show you take it from one extreme to the other as per usual.

and are you honestly saying you dont believe coppel was awful and rodgers great anymore? When did that happen then?

I never said he was awful - there are worse managers, but he certainly wasn't the messiah some on here would have you believe. By the same token, Rodgers wasn't the new Mourinho, but he set up teams to play the right way with more attractive football and has been proven to be a very good manager with what he achieved last season. He is certainly more of a forward thinker than both McDermott and Coppell.

then maybe both you and i should both resist the temptation to post our views at their most polorised/polorising, because, typed like that, when your going out of your way to be reasonable, your views seem absolutely fine.
(although i dont know how you can judge McDs forward thinking, as he seems so constantly consumed with simply trying to keep this club edging forward within the financial constraints that he could have footballing ideas akin to wenger, but wed never see them cos hes always spending his energy firefighting.)

carry on!


but he was defo the messiah. for us, for two years, at least.

[Ian Royal]

I never said he was awful - there are worse managers, but he certainly wasn't the messiah some on here would have you believe. By the same token, Rodgers wasn't the new Mourinho, but he set up teams to play the right way with more attractive football and has been proven to be a very good manager with what he achieved last season. He is certainly more of a forward thinker than both McDermott and Coppell.

Remains to be seen how Rodgers'll do when he takes over a club that requires a radical overhaul to implement his style of play. Part of me hopes he's learnt from his time here where he just naively assumed it would all fall into place quickly. It's undeniable that he hasn't had to do foundation-building at Swansea, merely tweak bits here and there, but the success they had this season was deserved. They did, after all, finish third, kind of a divine right to go up if you finish third and there's three promotion places. Part of me, though, doesn't want him to learn after he made me sit through West Brom, QPR, Crystal Palace, Scunthorpe, Peterborough (second half) etc etc

Didn't they finish 4th the season before Rodgers took over? Or was that the one before. So not only did they play the right way and have most of the right players already... they were also already very effective in getting results that way.

[floyd__streete]

Didn't they finish 4th the season before Rodgers took over?

Nope. They missed out on the play-offs 2 years in a row, due mainly to a shortage of goals. Why Rodgers didn't use his contacts to bring Sinclair to Reading I don't know

[Extended-Phenotype]

Personally, I think people on here are pushed to the extremes to maintain their argument.

Some people question JM’s ambition, the rival camp overcompensate by licking his balls, to which the anti-Mads overcompensate further by ridiculing his balls.

Or the other rather boring trick is to overplay a rivals argument in order to defeat it - i.e. someone being ball-viced for wanting to bankrupt the club when they’ve merely suggested a slight improvement to the kitty return on player sales.

All in all, I expect we are all probably on the same wavelength, and are just forced into wearing shit or rose tinted glasses by arguing with assholes.

Me, I think the club is doing great despite the financial restraint, think Heston is doing an amazing job, and keep my fingers crossed that the priority will one day return to being football, rather than breaking even. But then it isn’t my money. If it was, I’d have sold every fukker in the squad and rode Cilla Black to the Bahamas long before now.

[brendywendy]

nice summation of the situation with the club and the board.

[Ian Royal]

Didn't they finish 4th the season before Rodgers took over?

Nope. They missed out on the play-offs 2 years in a row, due mainly to a shortage of goals. Why Rodgers didn't use his contacts to bring Sinclair to Reading I don't know

Ah, maybe I'm getting confused with them having one of the best defences of GDs or something.

Agree with E-P, I'm well aware I've found myself falling into polarisation and rhetoric far too easily. But then in a lot of cases it's only because trying to keep it sensible seems to be seen as a sign of weakness and a lacking argument. That or you just get accused of saying nothing or sitting on the fence. Or alienating everyone and being told your inconsistent because you're arguing against both extremes.

[Wycombe Royal]

Didn't they finish 4th the season before Rodgers took over?

Nope. They missed out on the play-offs 2 years in a row, due mainly to a shortage of goals. Why Rodgers didn't use his contacts to bring Sinclair to Reading I don't know

Because he went on loan to a Premier League club?

[floyd__streete]

Because he went on loan to a Premier League club?

What I meant, why couldn't Brendan use his superior contacts to land Sinclair before Wigan did? We didn't really have the strikers to play the game Rodgers wanted. Rasiak

[SpaceCruiser]

Just seen the rant by Einstein Agogo and I thought I'd bump this back up.

I'm surprised by the voting so far, but, as somebody said earlier in this thread, it looks like the minority are more vocal when things are not going our way....

[brendywendy]

or people dont like to admit they have shit on their glasses