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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by soggy biscuit » 10 Oct 2011 13:05

Anyone but Saggy Harry

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Seal » 10 Oct 2011 13:28

Disagree - think Harry is the best choice.

An international manager doesn't have to do a huge amount of coaching (there's not enough time), he just needs to get the players playing as a team, with passion and a clear understanding of the roles and responsibilities.

I think Capello just can't relate to the players, and as a result can't clearly communicate what he wants them to do. To be fair to him quite what an Italian with a Kandinsky art collection would find in common with an angry pikey from Croxteth is difficult to imagine.

Whatever Harry's limitations, I do think he "gets" English players, and they would enjoy / respect playing for him.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by No Fixed Abode » 10 Oct 2011 13:56

Are you going to Burnley?

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Seal » 10 Oct 2011 14:19

Is that question directed at me? No I'm not - why?

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Hoop Blah » 10 Oct 2011 15:14

Seal Disagree - think Harry is the best choice.

An international manager doesn't have to do a huge amount of coaching (there's not enough time), he just needs to get the players playing as a team, with passion and a clear understanding of the roles and responsibilities.
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Whatever Harry's limitations, I do think he "gets" English players, and they would enjoy / respect playing for him.


Surely that first bit is really quite a lot to do with coaching? A significant bit is also the second part there about man management, getting ideas across and getting the best out of the players you have.

I think Harry would probably be quite a decent international manager if he can stop tinkering about too much. He seems to get the best out of a good number of mid to top tier players and he's very much seems to be a players manager. Like AP though I'm not really a fan of his and I do wonder how much the powers that be will shy away from him after getting burnt by El Tel.

Hoddle is a favourite of mine and I think he did an excellent job last time round. Could he come back now? I'm not so sure but we could, and have, done a lot worse.

Anyone who paid a bit of attention to what Pearce did with the U21s over the summer will be hoping he doesn't get close to the job.

Who does that leave? I'm a big fan of O'Neil and had championed his cause when Scolari was being chased. I think he may have burnt his bridges with the FA though but I think he'd also do quite well if given the chance. Hodgson was probably the obvious choice a couple of years ago before his time at Liverpool will have raised serious questions about how he can handle the big ego's with the top English players. Having said that I wouldn't have too much of an issue if he got the chance.


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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by TBM » 10 Oct 2011 15:28

The thing with Hodgson at Liverpool wasn't the fact he couldn't handle the big ego's - it was more the board/fans/loyal players wanted Kenny in charge and it was only a matter of time before he went

Look at this managerial career - very international, so would at least allow us to understand the foreign game a tad more

1971–1972 Maidstone United Assistant Coach
1976 Carshalton Athletic
1976–1980 Halmstad
1980–1982 Bristol City
1982 Oddevold
1983–1985 Örebro
1985–1990 Malmö FF
1990–1992 Neuchâtel Xamax
1992–1995 Switzerland
1995–1997 Internazionale
1997–1998 Blackburn Rovers
1999 Internazionale
1999–2000 Grasshopper
2000–2001 FC Copenhagen
2001 Udinese
2002–2004 United Arab Emirates
2004–2005 Viking
2006–2007 Finland
2007–2010 Fulham
2010–2011 Liverpool
2011– West Bromwich Albion

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Royal Rother » 10 Oct 2011 15:34

Blimey, he doesn't stick around long does he?

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by FiNeRaIn » 10 Oct 2011 15:43

Mourinho. No contest with the other terribles that have been mentioned. Hodgson? Get out ffs.

We are hated, we play poor defensive football, he knows the english game and players. These are all the things we need for the siege mentality approach he'll take. He thrives on it.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by TheMaraudingDog » 10 Oct 2011 15:49

England job is too small for Jose.


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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Hoop Blah » 10 Oct 2011 16:08

TBM The thing with Hodgson at Liverpool wasn't the fact he couldn't handle the big ego's - it was more the board/fans/loyal players wanted Kenny in charge and it was only a matter of time before he went


True, although if could've won over the big characters in the dressing room then he'd have been alright.

He'll face a similar problem at England because the same questions about is he good enough will be going round the senior pro's. Having failed at Liverpool (not all his own fault, but you do have to question some of the players he brought in) and so he'll immediately have to prove himself to some of leading characters.

Harry will already have most of those players on side because of the character he is, his recent successes with Pompey and Spurs, his reputation as being a good lad etc etc, and not forgetting, he's the media's darling. That last point shouldn't count for much but these players, and the England pubic, do take on board a lot of what the media pump out to us.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by TBM » 10 Oct 2011 16:35

Hoop Blah
TBM The thing with Hodgson at Liverpool wasn't the fact he couldn't handle the big ego's - it was more the board/fans/loyal players wanted Kenny in charge and it was only a matter of time before he went


True, although if could've won over the big characters in the dressing room then he'd have been alright.

He'll face a similar problem at England because the same questions about is he good enough will be going round the senior pro's. Having failed at Liverpool (not all his own fault, but you do have to question some of the players he brought in) and so he'll immediately have to prove himself to some of leading characters.

Harry will already have most of those players on side because of the character he is, his recent successes with Pompey and Spurs, his reputation as being a good lad etc etc, and not forgetting, he's the media's darling. That last point shouldn't count for much but these players, and the England pubic, do take on board a lot of what the media pump out to us.


Cant disagree with that....just feel Harry is too "relaxed" to be England manager. We need someone like Fergie*, who is respected but feared





*not suggesting Fergie btw, as its obvious he wouldn't take it.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Hoop Blah » 10 Oct 2011 16:45

That'd be nice. Someone to shake them up a bit.

I really had issues with the way Sven created a closed shop of his favourites with England and they seemed to all be too cosy. I think they need someone to keep them on their toes. The flip side to that arguement is that Cappello come in with that attitude and it backfired in the tournament because he went too far and stiffled the whole squad.

Tough gig either way!

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Ian Royal » 10 Oct 2011 17:26

I'd be upset if Redknapp or Alladyce got it because I can't bloody stand them.

Moyes and O'Neill are good shouts. Hodgson needs to rebuild his reputation a bit more before he can take it. Pardew could do with more time at Newcastle. Rodgers would play a brand of football we can't cope with and needs more experience. Adkins needs top level experience.

Pearce is rubbish.


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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by bobbybottler » 10 Oct 2011 18:31

TheMaraudingDog England job is too small for Jose.

At the moment, yes, but once he's won loads more stuff (having left his current job) and gotten older, I reckon he might consider it.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by Man Friday » 10 Oct 2011 18:45

TBM Cant disagree with that....just feel Harry is too "relaxed" to be England manager. We need someone like Fergie*, who is respected but feared.

How naive can someone be? Harry's as motivated as any manager. He just keeps his emotions under wraps in front of the cameras which is very sensible.
I'd like to see him given a go.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by PEARCEY » 10 Oct 2011 19:10

Man Friday
TBM Cant disagree with that....just feel Harry is too "relaxed" to be England manager. We need someone like Fergie*, who is respected but feared.

How naive can someone be? Harry's as motivated as any manager. He just keeps his emotions under wraps in front of the cameras which is very sensible.
I'd like to see him given a go.



If Redknapp didn't have all these dodgy transfer dealings hanging around he'd be a great choice. He likes his teams to play a bit and has an excellent club record. Whoever takes over needs to change the style England play. I want to see them knocking the ball around, play with a bit of flair and not the same old turgid stuff.

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by TBM » 10 Oct 2011 20:44

Man Friday
TBM Cant disagree with that....just feel Harry is too "relaxed" to be England manager. We need someone like Fergie*, who is respected but feared.

How naive can someone be? Harry's as motivated as any manager. He just keeps his emotions under wraps in front of the cameras which is very sensible.
I'd like to see him given a go.


Not doubting you but how do you know what he is like "behind the camera"?

I just reckon cos of his dodgy past he'll just be another "el-tel" and the players will see him too much as a geezer than a national manager

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by LUX » 10 Oct 2011 21:00

agreed with TBM TBH.

I'm actually a Little Englander when it comes to sport and I agree we should have an English manager (the only foreigner I'd want is Mourinho).

But who is good enough? It would destroy someone as likeable as Hodgson.

OK, give it to Pardew (guffaws all round, but he's better than that chump in charge now).

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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by AthleticoSpizz » 10 Oct 2011 21:31

Ian Royal Adkins needs top level experience.
Explain why?


(not a sarky comment, but a question that is valid..............why not Adkins?..........he can do no worse, and knows the forthcoming potential.....a good physio too.........no more England players crying off with false injuries lol)


Our last WC winning managers managing were "on-target" similar?
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Re: next england manager - who do you want?

by TheMaraudingDog » 10 Oct 2011 21:42

Let's put the Championships top goal scorer in there aswell eh.

Seriously, what a mongdiv comment.

A manager who has no experience putting a side of quality players together. Players with different attributes to his current lot playing against styles that would embarrass his current side.

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