Ferris Can't believe he's being knocked.
MmmMonsterMunchFiNeRaInNo Fixed Abode 6 points from a possible 18 at home.Is that right?
Yeah it really is abysmal, can't understand the optimism honestly. Whats even more worrying is that nearly all the teams bar boro have been really poor.
Southampton last season were a division below us, on paper we should be stronger. That won't stop people logging on here on saturday if we hang on for a 0-0 and claiming its a good point. Sign of the times im afraid.
Oh FFS go & top yourself and end it now. Jesus. We are averaging 2 pts per game, playing ball to feet, front 2 look lively & are scoring. What exactly do you want?
Why do you watch Reading if you nit pick at everything? They are playing arguably the best footy we've seen for a long time & we are starting to get results with young hungry players. I just don't understand the negativity on here at all. We were great tonight & the wins at home will come sooner rather than later.
FiNeRaIn Southampton are top because they have momentum, just like norwich did. Their squad isn't spectacular other than lallana and lambert, we should be looking to beat them at home. Its 12 games gone and they are far from runaway champions. 6 points out of a possible 18 at home is abysmal, how does that rank in the home form table anyone know?
CayeneMattFerris Can't believe he's being knocked.
Neither can I. He had a good game. Can only assume "Big Mike" had his face in some pies for most of the night.
For the first, he chased it to the bye line, and whipped in an outswinging cross to the back post who Jem (I think) knocked back for Alf to lob it in.
ayjaydee A few more random observations.
Kebe was THAT close to getting a touch on Alf's first that I thought is was going to be disallowed.
Church, whilst not to the standard of his immediate predecessors is certainly not "shit".
I believe Jem played himself back into the starting XI last night. A bundle of energy and no misplaced passes.
Woodcote has not lost the art of bringing his old prejudices into current topics.
MmmMonsterMunch Come on then smart ass. When have we played like that under BM before this season? We are trying to get ball to feet & I am enjoying it rather than watching us lumping it up the channels all the time. Derby in fact were the team doing that yesterday.
bigmikeCayeneMattAllyh84 Church looks 100x the player he was before with Alf. He's done a lot better this season, but imo he'll never score more than 15 in a Championship season.
Things are ticking along nicely though and our heads never dropped.
Chased everything and put in a quality cross for the first goal.
There's 2.
Quality cross for the first goal???? Is that the goal that was scored By Le Fondre from OUTSIDE the box.. Church did not set this up.. Also if you can only pick out 2 good things about a player from last night theres obvioulsly something up. Mansett did more in the time he was on last night than Church did. How many shots did Church have in his time on the pitch??? I cant remember 1 of note
bigmikeCayeneMattFerris Can't believe he's being knocked.
Neither can I. He had a good game. Can only assume "Big Mike" had his face in some pies for most of the night.
For the first, he chased it to the bye line, and whipped in an outswinging cross to the back post who Jem (I think) knocked back for Alf to lob it in.
Ok your right Church is outstanding how dare other people question the ability of Church to score.. After all he has a world class record of 2 goals Last season which he has matched this season but to be fair has come nowhere near getting a 3rd this season so far..
All Hail Simon Church
paddy20 I agree with that poster that says Church did nothing all night. He overhit the cross for Al;fie who did brilliantly to retrieve it. All he does is run around like a headless chicken chasing no hoper situations. Then when there are good crosses into the box he is nowhwere to be seen .Unfortunately I cant se him getting 15 goals. Dont like saying this as I believe he is a model professional and a good bloke to boot. But to become a decent team and challenge we need a forward and a left back.
bigmikeBasingstoke RoyalAllyh84 Church looks 100x the player he was before with Alf. He's done a lot better this season, but imo he'll never score more than 15 in a Championship season.
Things are ticking along nicely though and our heads never dropped.
Give me one positive thing church did tonight?
he was subbed..
I kinda wish that they left the Chair on the pitch instead of Church oxf*rd usless
as for the people saying Mills was poor and hes worse than Ian Harte.. What the hell??
Mills wasnt fantastic however he certainly wasnt as bad as your making out.. He was blatently being pulled back for Derbys 2nd goal however you probably see that as him being at fault for the goal. How dare he be fouled. All in all Mills is getting better every game. I am starting to remember what its like to have a left back who has a bit of pace.. Remember Harte was being skinned at will by all the oposition who have been against him this season and I dont think he got forward once in any of the games he played this season. Not including the piss poor penalty he missed.
Vision Mixed feelings really.
There is a massive improvement in the general play from earlier in the season so long term that bodes well and to twice come from behind to get a draw against a high flying side isn't something to necessarily be sniffed at. However Derby were poor,we utterly dominated so to drop two points is very disappointing.
Mills is ok. Not great but nowhere near as bad as some are making out. His passing is actually pretty good,he always makes himself available and although you could put the 2nd goal down to him on another day it could have been given as a foul. Like Cummings he is still learning about how to judge positional play at full-back. Generally the back four looked very solid but we gave away two of the softest goals you'll ever see. First was a very soft free-kick and the second from their throw where we made it far too easy to get a cross in.You could point the finger solely at Mills if you want but the blame would lie equally with making litle or no attempt to stop the cross coming over from the right hand side.
I like Cummings. He's decent on the ball, has pace and defends well. My criticism is that not once did he overlap to anywhere near the byline. Sure he made himself available and put a couple of crosses in from deep but seems to freeze once he gets to certain point in the opposition half. Griffin for all his lack of pace would actually overlap and get beyond the winger to the byline 2 or 3 times a game. Cummings didn't do it once. Again like Mills he's still learning how to judge this and understandably probably erring on the side of caution but at home I think he needs to take that risk from time to time especially if we effectively play with two holding midfielders to cover.
Church and Le Fondre are looking like a promising partnership.They are linking up well together and seem to complement each other. Church did help to create the first goal as he made a terrific run behind the full back and put over the (slightly overhit admittedly) cross that Karacan headed back for ALF. However they are polar opposites in the penalty area. You never get the impression Le Fondre will miss while you never get the impression Church will score. Hopefully Le Fondre scoring will ease the pressure on Church somewhat which will help him contribute more goals rather than the other way around.
FWIW LOL@ anyone saying they can prove a player had a bad game by looking at 90 mins of football and picking out half a dozen bad things they did. Most would concede Le Fondre and Gorkks were excellent last night but there were easily half a dozen times they lost possession,misplaced passes,sliced clearances etc.
Evidence so far we're a solid mid-table team but as this is the championship it might only take someone having a breakthrough season or an influential loan signing and we could be knocking on the play-offs again. Likewise a couple of injuries and we might be looking over our shoulders.
One final positive note its still earlyish but its starting to look as though with Le Fondre and Gorkks we've replaced Long and Mills about as well as could possibly be expected given our budget.
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