The Snowball stat thread

[Snowball]

Bold Figure is Minutes per Major Contribution (Goal or Assist)

1,527 Minutes 15 Major Contributions 102 9 Goals 6 Assists ALF (All Games) (EDITED)

1,077 Minutes 09 Major Contributions 120 5 Goals 4 Assists ALF (RFC Games) (EDITED)

0,515 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 129 3 Goals 1 Assists MANSET

0,686 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 172 0 Goals 4 Assists HARTE (2 Half-Assists Peterboro)

0,909 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 188 3 Goals 2 Assists HRK

0,952 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 190 1 Goals 4 Assists Kebe

1,044 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 208 3 Goals 2 Assists HUNT

0,975 Minutes 02 Major Contributions 325 3 Goals 0 Assists CHURCH

1,128 Minutes 03 Major Contributions 343 1 Goals 2 Assists KARACAN

0,522 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 522 0 Goals 1 Assists TABB

1,662 Minutes 03 Major Contributions 554 1 Goals 2 Assists McAnuff (Edited)


1,118 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 1,118 0 Goals 1 Assists MILLS

1,710 Minutes 1.5 Major Contributions 1,140 1 Goals .5 Assists ELWOOD (Half assist at Ipswich)

[Jackson Corner]

Great Stats Snowball. Have you seen the movie Moneyball yet?

[Wimb]

Just crious if you've awarded half assists etc for games earlier in the season? as I imagine they're pretty hard to quantify unless you've been keeping an accurate record....

[Hoop Blah]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

[Svlad Cjelli]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

[Snowball]

Just crious if you've awarded half assists etc for games earlier in the season? as I imagine they're pretty hard to quantify unless you've been keeping an accurate record....

No Wimb, but I think it's worthwhile.

The three I have just done were "blatant" major contributions, Harte's cross for Kebe's "goal" (Church credited) for example.
That was almost a goal (may well have gone in) and Harte's contribution was large.

I think his contribution was significant for the kebe-Alf goal also.

Third one was Elwood's brilliant crossfield ball which Alf won
and then made Hunt's winner at Ipswich



By a half-assist, I don't simply mean, "the player who made the penultimate pass" but only where
it's something really clear, really obvious.

For example, last season when Kebe sprinted the length of the field in about ten seconds, beating a few men
then crossing. The goal scorer was not the first touch but there could be no questioning what a massive part
Kebe took in the goal.

Happy to add any such obvious" half-assists, if others can remind me, but I don't
half the time to trawl through old game reports (or my leaking memory)

I'm sure there are some.

[Snowball]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

I LIKE large print

[mr_number]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

Nah, they're just easier to pick out so you know which bits you can skip over

[Wycombe Royal]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

I LIKE large print

Is it your age?

Oh and I'm sure ALF has more than two assists for us? He got a couple in his first 4 matches and then set up Noel more recently with a cross.

[Snowball]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

Kebe "virtually scored" but Church gets the credit for the goal cos he nicked it, so Kebe gets the assist instead.

But IMO, Harte "virtually" had the assist for Kebe's "virtual" goal

So Church gets the goal, Kebe the primary assist and Harte a secondary. Simples.


Harte made a big contribution to Alf's goal by picking out Kebe, who obviously gets that particular assist.

So, as I see it, Kebe gets two assists (a little unlucky, should be a goal and an assist) and Harte gets an assist (two halves)

and I think that's a reasonable reflection of their contribution

[Snowball]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

I LIKE large print

Is it your age?

Nope. I can READ the smaller print, but I simply like larger print.

Oh and I'm sure ALF has more than two assists for us? He got a couple in his first 4 matches and then set up Noel more recently with a cross.

That's my "impression" (feeling) too, but the OS has him down as two and so does transfrmkt

and I don't have time to trawl through


Last year I was keeping stats as I went, and the OS was not always accurate...

[Snowball]

Great Stats Snowball. Have you seen the movie Moneyball yet?

Nope, read the book, want to see the film.

Hard to imagine it being very watchable tho!

[melonhead]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

def kebe for both

i can only assume a half assist is for an assist to the assist

[Snowball]

It's a little known fact that statistics are actually much more accurate and objective if you put them in large print .....

I LIKE large print

Is it your age?

Oh and I'm sure ALF has more than two assists for us? He got a couple in his first 4 matches and then set up Noel more recently with a cross.

Trawled through


Yes, Alf has four


But tho' the OS gives McAnuff 4 assists I can only find 2.

Morrison's goal at Charlton came after a McAnuff corner (and the OS gives the assist)
but it seems to be a loose ball...

[Snowball]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

def kebe for both

i can only assume a half assist is for an assist to the assist

IMO if a winger (say Kebe) puts in a peach of a cross giving a CF a free header
and instead of going for goal the CF heads it down to a second striker for a goal
then the winger deserves a half-assist (giving 1.5 assist for the goal)

So Church's stolen goal is an assist for Kebe and a half for Harte.

Had Church not touched it over the line then it was a Kebe goal and a Harte assist

[Snowball]

This is the date culled from the OS

Goals/Assists/Contrib/ Game

Manset -Kebe Millwall
Manset-Solo Millwall
Hunt-Harte Leicester
HRK-Kebe Leicester
HRK (p)-Hunt Barnsley
Church-Alf Doncaster
Alf-Mills Doncaster
Church-Alf Coventry
McAnuff-Tabb Bristol
Alf-HRK Bristol
Manset-Cummings Bristol
Karacan-Hunt Burnley
Alf-Karacan Church Derby
Alf-HRK Derby
Elwood-McAnuff Saints
Hunt-McAnuff Birmingham
Kebe-Alf Cardiff
Gorks-Harte Ipswich
Pearce-Harte Ipswich
Hunt-Alf (Elwood) Ipswich
Church-Kebe (Harte) Peterboro
Alf-Kebe (Harte) Peterboro
HRK-Solo Peterboro

Goals

5 Alf
3 Manset
3 HRK
3 Hunt
3 Church
1 Kebe
1 McAnuff
1 Morrison
1 Pearce
1 Gorks
1 Karacan
1 Elwood

24

Assists
4.0 Kebe
4.0 Harte (incl two half-assists)
4.0 Alf
2.0 McAnuff
2.0 HRK
2.0 Hunt
1.0 Karacan
1.0 Cummings
1.0 Mills
1.0 Tabb
0.5 Elwood
0.5 Church

[Snowball]

Update

I can only find two McAnuff assists. Happy to be corrected.




Bold Figure is Minutes per Major Contribution (Goal or Assist)

1,527 Minutes 15 Major Contributions 102 9 Goals 6 Assists ALF (All Games) (EDITED)

1,077 Minutes 09 Major Contributions 120 5 Goals 4 Assists ALF (RFC Games) (EDITED)

0,515 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 129 3 Goals 1 Assists MANSET

0,686 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 172 0 Goals 4 Assists HARTE (2 Half-Assists Peterboro)

0,909 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 188 3 Goals 2 Assists HRK

0,952 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 190 1 Goals 4 Assists Kebe

1,044 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 208 3 Goals 2 Assists HUNT

0,975 Minutes 02 Major Contributions 325 3 Goals 0 Assists CHURCH

1,128 Minutes 03 Major Contributions 343 1 Goals 2 Assists KARACAN

0,522 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 522 0 Goals 1 Assists TABB

1,662 Minutes 03 Major Contributions 554 1 Goals 2 Assists McAnuff (Edited)


1,118 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 1,118 0 Goals 1 Assists MILLS

1,710 Minutes 1.5 Major Contributions 1,140 1 Goals .5 Assists ELWOOD (Half assist at Ipswich)

[Hoop Blah]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

Kebe "virtually scored" but Church gets the credit for the goal cos he nicked it, so Kebe gets the assist instead.

But IMO, Harte "virtually" had the assist for Kebe's "virtual" goal

So Church gets the goal, Kebe the primary assist and Harte a secondary. Simples.


Harte made a big contribution to Alf's goal by picking out Kebe, who obviously gets that particular assist.

So, as I see it, Kebe gets two assists (a little unlucky, should be a goal and an assist) and Harte gets an assist (two halves)

and I think that's a reasonable reflection of their contribution

Fair enough, I think it's a worthy attempt to reflect a players attacking worth, but how are you applying this across the rest of the season? If you're going to put these stats up as a guide to attacking contribution it really needs to be consistent across all players and all goals throughout the season.

Will you include a run off the ball that is key to a player having the space to either make or receive a pass?

I'm fully behind the fact that more than one player can 'assist' a goal, I just think it's very difficult to measure accurately and it will still come down to your much feared human process of recall and perception.

[melonhead]

And what constitutes a half assist?

Interestingly, depending on who you take as right on here, both of Harte and Kebe got 2 assists on Tuesday night.

def kebe for both

i can only assume a half assist is for an assist to the assist

IMO if a winger (say Kebe) puts in a peach of a cross giving a CF a free header
and instead of going for goal the CF heads it down to a second striker for a goal
then the winger deserves a half-assist (giving 1.5 assist for the goal)

So Church's stolen goal is an assist for Kebe and a half for Harte.

Had Church not touched it over the line then it was a Kebe goal and a Harte assist

lol at you spouting that at me as if its accepted football statistical law

[melonhead]

the OS gives McAnuff 4 assists

why has he only got two on your list?