The Snowball stat thread

[leon]

Unless RFC really, really are far fitter than other teams (which I seriously doubt)

This was certainly the aim in training a few years back.

The successful aim, I'd add. Our fitness is largely superb.

well we score quite a few late goals......

[Snowball]

Lest we forget

When Jay Tabb came to the club he remarked on how RFC flew out of the traps
and kept coming at you, and at you and at you, never letting you rest. It was
all about high-tempo from the off and sustained.


Now we play much more conservatively, trying not to get beat for 70 minutes
or thereabouts. Then we make a few changes and go for it. hence the late goals.

if fitness is such a "winner" and RFC are so fit, why wouldn't other clubs do the same?

[Ian Royal]

Lest we forget

When Jay Tabb came to the club he remarked on how RFC flew out of the traps
and kept coming at you, and at you and at you, never letting you rest. It was
all about high-tempo from the off and sustained.


Now we play much more conservatively, trying not to get beat for 70 minutes
or thereabouts. Then we make a few changes and go for it. hence the late goals.

if fitness is such a "winner" and RFC are so fit, why wouldn't other clubs do the same?

Because there are only so many really good fitness coaches, or whatever other experts it takes to make this work? Because you have to select the right players with the right physical and mental attributes? Because there are many other areas to focus on in training which may get you an edge over the opposition?

Why don't you try thinking about it seeing as you're supposedly so clever.

The second we got a manager who said he wanted to put more emphasis on technique and fun int training and that fitness wasn't that important. We repeatedly got beaten late on and had one of our worst runs of form.

Tell you anything?

[Snowball]

Lest we forget

When Jay Tabb came to the club he remarked on how RFC flew out of the traps
and kept coming at you, and at you and at you, never letting you rest. It was
all about high-tempo from the off and sustained.


Now we play much more conservatively, trying not to get beat for 70 minutes
or thereabouts. Then we make a few changes and go for it. hence the late goals.

if fitness is such a "winner" and RFC are so fit, why wouldn't other clubs do the same?

Because there are only so many really good fitness coaches, or whatever other experts it takes to make this work?

NO. Utter nonsense.

What evidence do you have for the number of good fitness coaches?

I believe there are at least 5,000 in the country. Prove me wrong.

You can't make a statement, or a suggestion, or pose a rhetorical question
and just show that "that's that"

I cannot think of any pundit, any non-RFC player or manager commenting on our unusual fitness.

I see ZERO evidence of extra fitness. The fact that we score more goals and/or concede less does not HAVE TO mean "extra fitness.



(a) It could mean we change tactics and go for wins late on. BRIAN HAS SAID SPECIFICALLY THAT WE DO THIS.

(b) It could mean other sides settle for a 1-0 win or a draw, somewhere after 60 minutes, and we then change tactics
because the coaches see a much-reduced chance of us conceding or conceding again, and can thus go forward more. See (a)

(c) It could mean we happen to have the types of subs who are excellent "super-subs" good for 15-25 minutes but not 90. (eg. Manset, alleged fitness and Hunt (alleged fragility).

You are using a goals-fact as evidence for fitness, but the same fitness as proof of why we score goals.

The only concrete evidence we have is (a) Brian's Statement.

Because you have to select the right players with the right physical and mental attributes?

Evidence? None.

Because there are many other areas to focus on in training which may get you an edge over the opposition?

Meaningless Statement.

Every club thinks it has these.


As for "super energy", think of our players.

HARTE, errrr.
Griffin (only out because of loss of form)
Gorks...
Pearce?

Kebe tends to fade in games

Elwood?

None of these are exactly renowned for fitness or energy or hard-running.

Karacan buzzes all 90, Kebe is fits and starts, Church runs for the first ten minutes.

So which players, other than subs (fresh whoever they play for) suddenly look better in the last 25 minutes?

Er, would NONE be the answer?

Check the reports and fans' comments and consistently it is said that the subs coming on
"CHANGED THE WAY WE PLAYED", "MADE A DIFFERENCE" etc etc etc

Why don't you try thinking about it seeing as you're supposedly so clever.

(a) I am clever
(b) I DO think about it
(c) I have been taught to think beyond the knee-jerk level

I have concluded it's TACTICS (because McDermot has said he goes for wins, because it appears that many clubs "settle for what they've got)

The second we got a manager who said he wanted to put more emphasis on technique and fun int training and that fitness wasn't that important. We repeatedly got beaten late on and had one of our worst runs of form.

Tell you anything?

Because a side (MAY HAVE) got noticeably UNFIT proves nothing (try studying argument)

Rodgers was changing THE WAY WE PLAY, and almost any fan, player, coach knows that takes a long time to be successful.

Is there even the SLIGHTEST evidence that Swansea concede or fail to score because of fitness issues?

[leicsRoyal]

Although I'm sure there are some useful stats somewhere in here.

I'm afraid this thread lost me at half assists and virtual goals.

Hopefully amongst all this lot, it points to the 2 facts that we need a creative midfielder and some decent delivery into the box.

[Maguire]

I think he's mixed up statistics with one of his creative writing classes. How many times will we see just a desperate mistreatment of data before people stop replying?

And when i say "data", in some cases that means "things he just made up" - half assists being a great example.

[leicsRoyal]

if we are crediting half assists to the player that touched the ball before the player, before the player that scored the goal.

Get Hahnemann back and stick him on the right wing.

[Badger Finger]

[leicsRoyal]

Ouch!!

[Badger Finger]

It's what I imagine it would be like if any of us had the pleasure of meeting Snowballers...

[Bandini]

Prem. when goals are scored

00-15 50 in 15 minutes 13.1%
16-30 52 in 15 minutes 13.6%
31-45 69 in 15 minutes 18.1% <<<< Most Goals per minute
46-60 61 in 15 minutes 16.0%
61-75 66 in 15 minutes 17.3% <<<<< second most goals per minute
76-94 83 in 19 minutes 21.8%

50 15 3.33 Goals per minute
52 15 3.47 Goals per minute
69 15 4.60 Goals per minute HIGHEST <<<<<

61 15 4.07 Goals per minute Fourth
66 15 4.40 Goals per minute SECOND HIGHEST
83 19 4.37 Goals per minute THIRD HIGHEST

So the most goal-full sixth is NOT the last fifteen minutes.

It's the last part of the first half. Strange that.

And the time period from 60-75 is the next highest.

So NOT tired legs, then? Maybe it's to do with strategy?

Shouldn't you also make an adjustment for injury time at the end of the first half?

[RobRoyal]

Why don't you try thinking about it seeing as you're supposedly so clever.

(a) I am clever
(b) I DO think about it
(c) I have been taught to think beyond the knee-jerk level

Evidence? None.

[Maguire]

if we are crediting half assists to the player that touched the ball before the player, before the player that scored the goal.

Get Hahnemann back and stick him on the right wing.

Quite.

I'm claiming an 1/8 assist from the other season when I chucked the ball back in from the crowd, we took a throw-in, crossed and scored.

Statisitically that gives me pretty good stats actually:

Minutes on pitch = 0

Assists = 0.125

Better than Messi

[leicsRoyal]

if we are crediting half assists to the player that touched the ball before the player, before the player that scored the goal.

Get Hahnemann back and stick him on the right wing.

Quite.

I'm claiming an 1/8 assist from the other season when I chucked the ball back in from the crowd, we took a throw-in, crossed and scored.

Statisitically that gives me pretty good stats actually:

Minutes on pitch = 0

Assists = 0.125

Better than Messi

Probably only classed as half a virtual goal, still good stats all the same.

[marcusopp]

if we are crediting half assists to the player that touched the ball before the player, before the player that scored the goal.

Get Hahnemann back and stick him on the right wing.

Quite.

I'm claiming an 1/8 assist from the other season when I chucked the ball back in from the crowd, we took a throw-in, crossed and scored.

Statisitically that gives me pretty good stats actually:

Minutes on pitch = 0

Assists = 0.125

Better than Messi

Probably only classed as half a virtual goal, still good stats all the same.

What the f uck are you lot going on about?
The team who scores more than the other one wins the game.
Lesson 2, 'what if they both score the same?' will be next week.

[marcusopp]

Although I'm sure there are some useful stats somewhere in here.

I'm afraid this thread lost me at half assists and virtual goals.

Hopefully amongst all this lot, it points to the 2 facts that we need a creative midfielder and some decent delivery into the box.

Virtual goals! I've never laughed so much in my life!
We all like a bit of football, but thinking about that kind of stuff is a bit over the top

[Hoop Blah]

Prem. when goals are scored

00-15 50 in 15 minutes 13.1%
16-30 52 in 15 minutes 13.6%
31-45 69 in 15 minutes 18.1% <<<< Most Goals per minute
46-60 61 in 15 minutes 16.0%
61-75 66 in 15 minutes 17.3% <<<<< second most goals per minute
76-94 83 in 19 minutes 21.8%

That just proves that more goals are scored in the latter stages of a game than at other stages. Which, funnily enough was my whole point.

[Ian Royal]

I think he's mixed up statistics with one of his creative writing classes. How many times will we see just a desperate mistreatment of data before people stop replying?

And when i say "data", in some cases that means "things he just made up" - half assists being a great example.

Until he stops it people won't stop replying, because those of us who spot the gaping flaws in his methods have a responsibility to warn off those who don't and might otherwise just lap it up as gospel.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Unless RFC really, really are far fitter than other teams (which I seriously doubt)

This was certainly the aim in training a few years back.

The successful aim, I'd add. Our fitness is largely superb.

And I thought it was pretty common knowledge throughout the game that we're one of the very fittest sides there is.

[Ian Royal]

Can't measure it in half-assists or virtual goals so it's not real.