The Snowball stat thread

[Extended-Phenotype]

How can you scientifically render anything statistical which is subject to opinion?

I may as well sit here and give Hunt 10 points for having what I considered the neatest haircut.

The best way to rate players is to watch them play and appreciate their contribution. You can't render football with figures, especially messy and over elaborate screen-filler like this (I can't even read it) and I'm not really sure what you are trying to show here.

[melonhead]

theres no way hunts hair cut is tehneatest.

that has to be fed, or church.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Church looks like his mum did it.

4 points.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

I was actually talking about both Kitson and Halford - both of whom weren't brought into the team until they had got fitness up to required levels )admittedly Kitson was injured initially, but even then his ambient fitness levels were below standard).

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1 current and two ex-nobbers were told in no uncertain terms that Kitson was not injured when he joined, but that to play him immediately would not be good management, as it might make him feel more important . So a spell waiting was deemed a good idea, as it would make him more hungry.

Still what does JM know about football, and why would Coppell not agree to the Chairmans view about management in general.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I was actually talking about both Kitson and Halford - both of whom weren't brought into the team until they had got fitness up to required levels )admittedly Kitson was injured initially, but even then his ambient fitness levels were below standard).

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1 current and two ex-nobbers were told in no uncertain terms that Kitson was not injured when he joined, but that to play him immediately would not be good management, as it might make him feel more important . So a spell waiting was deemed a good idea, as it would make him more hungry.

Still what does JM know about football, and why would Coppell not agree to the Chairmans view about management in general.

Really? I remember his signing well, and he was certainly reported as being injured - and even he said he was when he was interviewed on BBCRB in that first week here. We signed him the week before Xmas 2003 (I think it was on Friday 19th Dec 2003 - it was definitely a Friday), and looking back at Soccerbase he'd not played for Cambridge since 22nd Nov (i.e 4 weeks earlier). FTR, he didn't play for us until 10th Jan 2004.

You may be right - but if so someone somewhere has been telling porkies!

[Snowball]

So let me see...


Evidence for players being "got fit" before they play

Dave Kitson, EIGHT YEARS AGO, who arrived either :

(a) injured, hadn't played for 4 weeks, and would obviously have lost match-fitness, but started for us just 21 days later. Hardly an extended fitness regime, is it?
or
(b) was kept out of the team for "political" (man-management) reasons

In neither case is there any evidence for him needing to be got super-dooper fit a la RFC.


Countering that "evidence", we have, of course, all the players I mentioned who came in and played almost immediately.

Gorks, Mills 1, Mills 2, Griffin, Harte, Leigertwood, le Fondre, all started almost immediately after signing

Noel Hunt played in a friendly 6 days after joining RFC, and his first competitive game 2 weeks later. Again, no evidence of being kept out while being got fit.

Cummings first start came just 18 days after joining RFC

Kebe, signed January 2008. "He made an instant debut as a sub at Everton "

So, basically guys, the vast majority of RFC signings do NOT linger for months in the reserves getting fit.

In fact most start VERY soon after signing.

[Hoop Blah]

Obviously snowballs obsession with meaningless stats just goes to highlight how little insight they often give to such a varied and fluid game as football but I do think the fitness thing is a bit of a red herring these days.

In Pardews time, and then carried on by Coppell, we certainly were one of the fittest teams around. At least in our division. That was mentioned by others at times and I put 90% of that down to the excellent work of Nial Clark who's preparation of the team appeared to be faultless. Our injury record and the pace and intensity of our play was extraordinary and a big part of our success. Clark followed Pardew of course but his methods and disciplines seemed to stay for sometime after but I wouldn't say we're a particularly fit side these days.

As for why we have assists tables etc, well that's because there's a whole industry that's sprung up since the mid-90s around the provision of stats and 'fantasy football' games and information. Such crude measures of success aren't for any more than, as Dirk said, a bit of harmless fun.

[Snowball]

Obviously snowballs obsession with meaningless stats just goes to highlight how little insight they often give to such a varied and fluid game as football but I do think the fitness thing is a bit of a red herring these days.

In Pardews time, and then carried on by Coppell, we certainly were one of the fittest teams around. At least in our division. That was mentioned by others at times and I put 90% of that down to the excellent work of Nial Clark who's preparation of the team appeared to be faultless. Our injury record and the pace and intensity of our play was extraordinary and a big part of our success. Clark followed Pardew of course but his methods and disciplines seemed to stay for sometime after but I wouldn't say we're a particularly fit side these days.

As for why we have assists tables etc, well that's because there's a whole industry that's sprung up since the mid-90s around the provision of stats and 'fantasy football' games and information. Such crude measures of success aren't for any more than, as Dirk said, a bit of harmless fun.

And they never mention Dixie Dean's goals as they were irrelevant

[Hoop Blah]

An excellent argument, well done.

Who got the most assists and key passes I that Everton side by the way?

[Snowball]

The wingers of course

Bang it in hard, laces goal-side

[Snowball]

First-half v Second Half


AFTER WEST HAM GAME

We have not led at half-time once in twentytwo games

We are losing 2-7 in the first half
We are losing 4-15 in the first hour of games

We are winning 23-9 in the last 30 minutes
we are winning 14-2 in the last 15 minutes




P22 W0 - D18 - L4 02-07 18 Points First Half Form

P22 W8 - D09 - L4 25-18 33 Points Second Half Form


Only 2 goals in the first 51 Minutes, 1,122 Minutes, a goal every 561 Minutes
Only 4 goals in the first 60 Minutes, 1,320 Minutes, a goal every 330 Minutes
Only 7 goals in the first 70 minutes, 1,540 minutes, a goal every 220 Minutes


20 Goals in the last 20 Minutes plus injury time = 20 goals in 520 Minutes, a goal every 26 Minutes




1st. 2nd
0-0 2-2 Millwall Home
0-0 2-0 Leicester Away
0-0 0-1 Portsmouth Away
0-1 1-1 Barnsley Home
0-1 1-1 Charlton Away (League Cup)
0-0 0-1 Hull Away
0-1 0-2 Watford Home
0-0 2-0 Doncaster Home
1-1 0-0 Coventry Away
0-1 3-1 Bristol Away
0-0 0-0 Boro Home
0-0 1-0 Burnley Away
0-0 2-2 Derby Home
0-0 1-1 Saints Home
0-0 0-0 Palace Away
0-0 0-1 Forest Away
0-0 1-0 Birmingham Home
0-1 1-1 Cardiff Home
0-0 3-2 Ipswich Away
1-1 2-1 Peterboro Home
0-0 0-1 Blackpool Away
0-0 3-0 West Ham Home<<<<<<<<<<<<<

2-7 25-18 TOTAL





Goal Times

2, 2, 12, 15, 25, 27,29, 48, 50, 51, 55, 56, 59, 59, 61, 64, 67, 67, > >> > 73, 75, 75, 77>>>>>>>>>>>> 80 >>>>>>>>>>90 Goals Conceded
>>10>>>>>26>>>>>>>> 52, 59, > > > > > 64,65,66>>>>> 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 75, 75, 77, 77, 79 >>>>82,85,86,87, 90, 93, 93, 94, 99 Goals Scored



Histogram


Goals Conceded

00-15 XXXX
16-30 XXX
31-45

46-60 XXXXXXXX
61-75 XXXXXXX
76-90 XX



Goals Scored

00-15 X
16-30 X
31-45

46-60 XX
61-75 XXXXXXXXX
76-90 XXXXXXXXXXX
....90+ XXXXX

[Snowball]

Update after West Ham Game





Bold Figure is Minutes per Major Contribution (Goal or Assist)


1,617 Minutes 16 Major Contributions 101 9 Goals 7 Assists ALF (All Games) <<<<<<<<<<<<<

1,167 Minutes 10 Major Contributions 117 5 Goals 5 Assists ALF (RFC Games) <<<<<<<<<<<<<

0,515 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 129 3 Goals 1 Assists MANSET

0,776 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 155 0 Goals 5 Assists HARTE <<<<<<<<<<<<<

0,910 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 182 3 Goals 2 Assists HRK

1,001 Minutes 02 Major Contributions 200 5 Goals 0 Assists CHURCH <<<<<<<<<<<<<

1,042 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 208 1 Goals 4 Assists Kebe

1,106 Minutes 05 Major Contributions 222 3 Goals 2 Assists HUNT


1,218 Minutes 03 Major Contributions 406 1 Goals 2 Assists KARACAN

1,752 Minutes 04 Major Contributions 438 1 Goals 3 Assists McAnuff <<<<<<<<<<<<<

0,522 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 522 0 Goals 1 Assists TABB

1,890 Minutes 01 Major Contributions 945 2 Goals 0 Assists PEARCE <<<<<<<<<<<<<




1,118 Minutes 1.0 Major Contributions 1,118 0 Goals 1 Assists MILLS

1,800 Minutes 1.5 Major Contributions 1,200 1 Goals .5 Assists ELWOOD

[Extended-Phenotype]

Stats are even more annoying and dismissible when they are being SCREAMED at you like a hot tramp in a BrewPeak.

[manny96]

You must be pretty dumb to come onto a thread called 'Attacking Stats' and then get annoyed that stats are being used.

Stats have a place. They're one way, and not necessarily the most important way, of knowing about the world. But a legitimate way none the less. Any half-informed opinion should be able to appreciate their worth.

[Extended-Phenotype]

You must be pretty dumb to come onto a thread called 'Attacking Stats' and then get annoyed that stats are being used.

Stats have a place. They're one way, and not necessarily the most important way, of knowing about the world. But a legitimate way none the less. Any half-informed opinion should be able to appreciate their worth.

If you took time out from rocking in a chair and sobbing, you may have noticed my criticism was more about them being yelled at me through the font equivalent of Brian Blessed being raped.

Of course stats have a place. But without opinion, they are about as significant as another sh/t on your mattress topper.

[Snowball]

Stats are even more annoying and dismissible when they are being SCREAMED at you like a hot tramp in a BrewPeak.

There again they are some people who think THIS means shouting. It doesn't. It's a few capital letters.

I post how I choose


and you are free to post as YOU choose.




Tell you what, I'll change my posts to small if you promise to post in large fonts which I like

[Extended-Phenotype]

Sounds fair.

[Snowball]

Sounds fair.

deal

[Ian Royal]

I think snowball will find acceptable communication conventions are set by the community as a whole, not by any one individual, and it is the individual who breaks them that is wrong.

Increased font size or Caps lock is quite obviously the written equivalent of shouting and is a widely accepted internet convention.

But given he's into being a patronising twat, shouting his stats when very few really care, and ignoring social conventions (which he probably is incapable of understanding) is apparently quite the norm for him.


*no autistico.

[Snowball]

Shove it, you tw@t