Jason Roberts idiot

[ZacNaloen]

It's just complete and utter bollocks that you don't take the mick in the game here.

Savage, Bellamy et al have made a oxf*rd career out of getting a rise out of the opposition.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Kebe's behaviour explains why Colison was irritated/angry. It doesn't explain why he kicked Kebe and shoved him to the ground.

Really? Surely once a player has lost his temper and the "red mist" has come down, they're liable to do virtually anything, no matter how stupid?

Some may be liable to do anything, and whether or not that's the case depends on the extent of their self-control, which is why Kebe's display of sock skillz only explains the initial stage of the process, Collison getting angry. Everything after that point is explained by Collison himself, not Kebe.

After all, it's not as if Collison's response was an instinctive reaction, he had plenty of time to think about it and exercise self-control.

Yes, no argument with that. The point in question is why Collinson's temper was pushed over the edge, which was Kebe's behaviour.

Has anyone ever tried to defend Collinson's actons? All they've tried to do is explain them.

[melonhead]

The media are all dicks when it come to incidents like this they put the judges gown and wig on and make stupid comments that are biased one way this time Kebe has taken the brunt of it.

Collison's challenge on Kebe was premeditated and could well have caused significant injury.

Same Allardyce's post match interview sums it up for me, very fair comments all round, maybe the media should take a leaf out of Big Sams book.

Agree with all that except the significant injury bit.

kicking someone hard in the kneee can do that cant it?

[Far Canal]

^ nice work

What I've not seen mentioned in all the hoo-ha (not your best day Dirk) is just how premeditated Collison's challenge was. While consumed with LOLz last night I went to bed convinced that St Jimmy's actions had prompted an immediate shove but catching up on th FLS this morning he really had time to think about what he was going to do. Inexcusable

Agreed and agree that Dirk is having a bit of a mare here.

Really? I don't see what you're finding so difficult here (although I appreciate from the number of times I've proved PTR wrong why he might be trying to score a point). Let me lay it out in simple statements, please let me know which one(s) you don't understand or agree with....

1. I've never condoned or excused Collinson's challenge - I've just explained why he lost his temper so much. (I've even said that I expect him to receive a lengthy ban for what was clearly deliberate and malicious).

2. I've never said that Kebe tried to deliberately wind anyone up - just that his behaviour took the piss out of fellow professionals and that this "isn't the done thing" in the English game. People might disagree with that, but the key point is that Collinson felt aggrieved enough about it to react the way he did.

3. Following on from point 3, I've said that typically if anyone does take the piss in the game that someone will dish out retribution (have you never sung "Parky's Gonna Get You"?) The only surprise here was that Collinson was quite so quick and unsubtle to take that retribution - but thats what red mist does to you.

4. I also defended Claridge (something I've never done before) from those calling him "racist." An understanding of the culture within the game is something that non-English layers are less likely to have than English players (q.v "The Secret Footballer" in yesterday's Guardian for more on this...)

And, on the final point, I really think that those seriously complaining to the BBC when someone on TV says something about their football team they don't agree with really ought to grow a pair and get themselves a sense of proportion. is this really the society we live in today?

I think I've got it now.

Paultheroyal is really Jimmy Kebe and Dirk / Svlad Cjelli is actually Jack Collison.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I think I've got it now.

Paultheroyal is really Jimmy Kebe and Dirk / Svlad Cjeli is actually Jack Collison.

In the context of all the points made, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[melonhead]

^ nice work

What I've not seen mentioned in all the hoo-ha (not your best day Dirk) is just how premeditated Collison's challenge was. While consumed with LOLz last night I went to bed convinced that St Jimmy's actions had prompted an immediate shove but catching up on th FLS this morning he really had time to think about what he was going to do. Inexcusable

thoight for about 5 seconds, then ran ten yards to do it


lol

well done jimmy, mission accomplished

[Far Canal]

I think I've got it now.

Paultheroyal is really Jimmy Kebe and Dirk / Svlad Cjeli is actually Jack Collison.

In the context of all the points made, that makes no sense whatsoever.

You really are wound up, aren't you.

[ZacNaloen]

Yes, no argument with that. The point in question is why Collinson's temper was pushed over the edge, which was Kebe's behaviour.

Has anyone ever tried to defend Collinson's actons? All they've tried to do is explain them

Err no.

The point is question is whether Collison has an excuse for his actions.

[melonhead]

Hardly! Just reflecting the fact that someone from abroad is less likely to understand the culture and "unwritten rules" that exist within English football than someone brought up within it.

if a rule is worth sheeit, they tend to write it down.

imo

[melonhead]

Yes, no argument with that. The point in question is why Collinson's temper was pushed over the edge, which was Kebe's behaviour.

Has anyone ever tried to defend Collinson's actons? All they've tried to do is explain them

Err no.

The point is question is whether Collison has an excuse for his actions.

as much as i think dirkers is utterly wrong

he has not said its excusable, he just said he can understand why he lost it.
thats not the same thing.

that you, nor i , nor most of the other people on this thread/board cant understand it, or why dirk can, is irrelevant


all the rest of it about british players, and unwritten rules is utter tosh

[Svlad Cjelli]

Yes, no argument with that. The point in question is why Collinson's temper was pushed over the edge, which was Kebe's behaviour.

Has anyone ever tried to defend Collinson's actons? All they've tried to do is explain them

Err no.

The point is question is whether Collison has an excuse for his actions.

Really? Who has ever said he has an excuse? I know I haven't, and neither did Claridge.

All that people have done is explain the circumstances that led to him being so wound up.

[melonhead]

still dont see how that set of circumstances led to that tackle though

the blokes a twat. how is him stopping any different to the west ham players all stopping.
he then touched his sock.......


raaaaahhhhhhhh! im outraged, i must kick someone

[ZacNaloen]

"Oh it's totally unjustifiable BUUUUTTTTT totally understandable cue loads of complete and utter bollocks about fair play in the english game"


Yeh. Whatever Dirk. You're fooling no one.

[Svlad Cjelli]

"Oh it's totally unjustifiable BUUUUTTTTT totally understandable cue loads of complete and utter bollocks about fair play in the english game"


Yeh. Whatever Dirk. You're fooling no one.

Whatever you say .... but to me this just underlines why professonal footballers tend to hold supporters in such contempt and laugh at them at every conveivable opportunity.

[ZacNaloen]

Oh you don't undestand how HAAARD it is being a footballer!

[Rex]

Perhaps because Kebe only adjusted his left sock the rasp down the leg was to adjust the right sock. Shoddy work from Kebe.

[Svlad Cjelli]

:lol:


Oh you don't undestand how HAAARD it is being a footballer!

Hardly. But when they see fans complaining to the BBC because someone on TV said something nasty about their football club (something that is just their job and nothing more in most cases) no wonder they sneer.

[Franchise FC]

:lol:


Oh you don't undestand how HAAARD it is being a footballer!

Hardly. But when they see fans complaining to the BBC because someone on TV said something nasty about their football club (something that is just their job and nothing more in most cases) no wonder they sneer.

To be accurate, Claridge's comments were aimed at non-English players - not RFC players.
He's obviously not big mates with Rodney Marsh

[ZacNaloen]

I don't think i'll find it particularly difficult to sneer back either.

The difference between me and Collison?

Sneer is all I'd do.

[Franchise FC]

Why is 'touching your sock' a criminal offence punishable with stud-scraping when clapping an opponent who's just scored an own goal is OK and not considered taking the pi$$ ?