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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 16 Dec 2011 11:13

As a follow up to the recent discussion about Windsor FC, this makes an interesting read. (And of course it would be remiss of me not to point out that it precisely echoes everything I've been saying.) :wink:

http://www.windsorexpress.co.uk/Sport/F ... 122011.htm

Windsor FC’s founding director Kevin Stott insists the club is not living beyond its means following the recent captures of the likes of Jake Parsons, Andrew Fagan and Michael Chennells.

The trio of players were all key parts of the Windsor & Eton side when the club went bust in 2010, with debts running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

News of their return has raised eyebrows among the local football community, especially as Windsor beat the likes of Slough Town and Chesham United to the signing of Chennells last week.

But Stott insists the budget he set at the start of the season has not been raised and that the players have not returned to Stag Meadow for financial reasons.

He said: “Inevitably I can see why people are talking but I can guarantee we are not paying any of them what they were being paid last time (at Windsor & Eton).

“They have come back because they want to be part of what we are trying to achieve here, it’s not because we are throwing money around.

“I set a budget at the start of the season and I haven’t raised that budget. Keith Scott is working within it and the players who have come in are prepared to work within it as well.

“It’s the vision of the club and the ambitions we have for it that they are buying into.”

When Windsor FC was formed in the summer, Stott always said he wanted to stay away from a business model which saw one benefactor putting money in to ensure the club stayed afloat.

Self-sustainability has always been the long-term goal and the club has plans to install 3G astroturf pitches and a gym at Stag Meadow in the near future.

And Stott insists that is still very much the case. He said: “I always said I would fund the start up costs and that’s what I’m going to do.

“But I don’t have any grand designs to be the sugar daddy of a football club, that doesn’t work.

“So if we’re not given the go ahead to develop the ground and do what we want to do, I’m not going to be doing it again next season or the season after next.

“That doesn’t mean we won’t have a football club next year, we just won’t have a budget that we could sustain in a higher division.”

Windsor’s founding director added: “But I would be gutted now if we don’t manage to pull off what we’re trying to do, I think it’s a model for non-league football.

“We’re trying to do something different, not repeat the same mistakes. We’re on the road to self-sustainability.

“I don’t want to be just another football club who had a dream, drew some pretty pictures but then saw nothing happen.

“We want to take the club forward and we’re all working very hard to make sure we do it in the right way.”

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royalist » 16 Dec 2011 15:45

Reading between the lines, long term goal of self sustainability, says to me it currently isn't!

I simply do not trust Mr Stott. He was vice chairman when the club was paying big wages, before you came along Rother. I'd love to trust him but his past record tells me he cannot be!

Sorry to be on such a downer. You seem to tow the party line so it's only fair i balance it out! :D

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 16 Dec 2011 19:13

So ok, basically it's personal and a bit irrational. Fair enough.

To balance it up (again!) I've sat in on open meetings over the last 12 months where Kevin Stott has outlined his thoughts, plans, ideas, ambitions etc. and have also met him and chatted with him at reasonable length. I think he is a likeable and trustworthy individual who has so far delivered on everything he has said he would do.

I have other distant but inside knowledge of the guy, (ex-employees of his) and to be honest haven't really heard a bad word about him.

He said at the very outset that he would fund the start up costs and resultant fairly substantial Year 1 loss. That loss is / was not caused by paying players over the odds to buy promotion but in legal fees, ground maintenance (floodlights anyone?!), research for the development plans etc. etc. The above article basically repeats all that and the fact that he WILL NOT be the club's long-term benefactor.

Hopefully the plans to develop the site are gaining momentum but Stott himself warned everyone 6 months ago that it would be a very slow and painful process as The Crown move at a snail's pace.

Royalist, did you just dismiss / ignore what Stott was saying about finances? I'd have thought it would be music to your ears. I know this is going over old ground again but what is it really that makes you so cynical about Stott and Scott? Have you ever raised your issues with them? They have both said that their doors are open to field anyone's questions about the direction the club (specifically Stott and Scott) are taking and even, after some comments in the press a few months ago, arranged an Open Meeting to discuss the squad that was coming together at the time but also specifically to give an opportunity for all fans to voice their concerns... Around that time criticism had been directed at the decision to appoint Scott because he had presided over the promotion winning / financial disaster season of 2009/10. Simpson had been saying it was all Scott's fault as he was uncontrollable, even though Simpson was the only one signing the cheques. Keith Scott and Jim Melvin brought along their files from that season which they believed demonstrated categorically that they had NOT gone over budget.

So I went along rather looking forward to hearing some of these concerns being aired. Sounded like it could be interesting! But.... NOT ONE question was asked. NOT ONE!

And yet still that mud that was slung by the completely discredited ex-Chairman has, in some people's eyes, stuck to Scott. And you even stick blame on Stott for the demise of Windsor & Eton because he was vice Chairman for a period but actually not at the time that the major losses that resulted in the ultimate liquidation were incurred.

Now I have no idea what arrangements Simpson and Stott had in place to fund the losses that had been incurred prior to Stott's resignation and only rumours of the real / full truth about their fallout, but the fact remains (and it would be naive to think these events were not unrelated) that the club went down around the same time that Simpson's solicitors firm collapsed and only one of Stott and Simpson was on either / both company's boards when that happened.

It wasn't Kevin Stott.

Or Keith Scott for that matter! :wink:

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 17 Dec 2011 11:09

... bit late with the review - sorry - lots of wet stuff about so check afore travelling too far?

...I've marked the Postponements I know about so far - but there will be more ...

CONFS
Basingstoke v Chelmsford
Dartford v Dorchester
Eastbourne Borough v Weston-S-Mare
Eastleigh v Boreham Wood
Farnborough v Bromley
Salisbury v Maidenhead Utd
Staines Town v Dover
Sutton Utd v Welling
Thurrock v Woking
Tonbridge Angels v Havant and W
Truro City v Hampton & Richmond

ISTH1S
Croydon Athletic P Godalming Town

SOUTHP
Banbury United v Barwell
Chesham United v Brackley Town
Oxford City v AFC Totton
SOUTH1C
AFC Hayes v Chalfont St. Peter
Ashford Town (Middx) v Barton Rovers
Aylesbury v Marlow
Burnham v Woodford United
Chertsey Town v Biggleswade Town
Leighton Town P Uxbridge
Northwood v Beaconsfield SYCOB
Slough Town v Bedworth United
St. Neots Town v Fleet Town
SOUTH1S&W
Didcot Town v Taunton Town
Hungerford Town v Paulton Rovers
North Leigh v Bishops Cleeve

CCLP
Ash United v Hanworth Villa
Badshot Lea v Croydon
Banstead Athletic P Egham Town
Camberley Town v Chessington & Hook United
Colliers Wood United P Farnham Town
Dorking v Molesey
Epsom & Ewell v Cove
Mole Valley SCR v Horley Town
Sandhurst Town P Guildford City
Wembley v South Park
Windsor v Raynes Park Vale
CCL1
Bedfont Sports v Farleigh Rovers
14:00 CB Hounslow United v Bookham
14:00 Eversley v Cobham
Feltham v Staines Lammas
Frimley Green v Worcester Park
Hartley Wintney v Knaphill
14:00 South Kilburn v Sheerwater
Westfield v Warlingham

HELLP
Abingdon Town v Binfield
Ardley United v Wantage Town
Ascot United v Shortwood United
Flackwell Heath v Reading Town
Kidlington v Cheltenham Saracens
Slimbridge v Holyport
Thame United v Bracknell Town
Witney Town P Oxford City Nomads
Wokingham & Emmbrook P Highworth Town

WESSP
Alresford Town v Moneyfields
Alton Town v Bournemouth

HELL1E
Finchampstead v Chinnor
Letcombe v Penn & Tylers Green
Milton United v Rayners Lane
Oxon Sen R3
Bletchingdon v Henley Town

WESS1
Fleet Spurs v AFC Portchester
Whitchurch United v Verwood Town

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 17 Dec 2011 18:50

Another stunning performance from Windsor today, winning 10-0 against Raynes Park. Michael Chennells netting 5 times on his home debut.


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Elmer Park » 17 Dec 2011 20:32

2-1 defeat for Reading Town at Flackwell Heath. 2-0 win for Maidenhead at Salisbury.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royalist » 17 Dec 2011 22:11

At the end of the day we shall see who turns out to be correct Rother. Interesting post on combined counties league forum about how Windsor cannot get promotion this season. However i am sure there is ways and means around it. :wink: Ahem!

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 18 Dec 2011 10:24

...'local' scores from yesterday's NL :

CONFS
Basingstoke 1-1 Chelmsford
Dartford 1-1 Dorchester
Eastbourne Borough 1-2 Weston-S-Mare
Eastleigh 2-0 Boreham Wood
Farnborough 2-1 Bromley
Salisbury 0-2 Maidenhead Utd :)
Staines Town 0-3 Dover
Sutton Utd 4-3 Welling
Thurrock 1-1 Woking
Tonbridge Angels 1-2 Havant and W
Truro City 3-3 Hampton & Richmond

ISTH1S
Croydon Athletic P Godalming Town

SOUTHP
Banbury United 3-0 Barwell
Chesham United 2-3 Brackley Town
Oxford City 2-2 AFC Totton
SOUTH1C
AFC Hayes 2-2 Chalfont St. Peter
Ashford Town (Middx) 0-2 Barton Rovers
Aylesbury 0-3 Marlow
Burnham 2-1 Woodford United
Chertsey Town 3-2 Biggleswade Town
Leighton Town P Uxbridge
Northwood 1-1 Beaconsfield SYCOB
Slough Town 2-1 Bedworth United
St. Neots Town 4-1 Fleet Town
SOUTH1S&W
Bideford 1-0 Thatcham Town – Bideford leapfrog Thatcham to go top – Hungerford now in 2nd
Didcot Town 5-1 Taunton Town - 0-1 @ HT – Diddy bagged four in the last 10’
Hungerford Town 1-0 Paulton Rovers – winner 2nd minute injury time
North Leigh 1-2 Bishops Cleeve

CCLP
Ash United 4-1 Hanworth Villa
Badshot Lea 0-1 Croydon
Banstead Athletic P Egham Town
Camberley Town 1-1 Chessington & Hook United
Colliers Wood United P Farnham Town
Dorking 1-6 Molesey
Epsom & Ewell 2-3 Cove
Mole Valley SCR 0-4 Horley Town
Sandhurst Town P Guildford City
Wembley 1-3 South Park
Windsor 10 (TEN) - 0 Raynes Park Vale – now three points behind leaders Guildford and 6 ahead of Camberley – Windsor host 4th place Egham on Tuesday (13:00h KO?) then a trip to Dorking on Mon 2nd Jan – where only the usual ‘bog-like’ surface there is likely to slow them up: though the ‘Chicks’ are in a surprisingly comfortable mid-table this season – normally rooted to the bottom.
Guildford host Dorking first (Tue 27th 12:30) then on Monday travel to 5th placed Horley nr Gatwick.

CCL1
Bedfont Sports P Farleigh Rovers
CB Hounslow United 3-1 Bookham
Eversley 2-0 Cobham
Feltham 2-3 Staines Lammas
Frimley Green 3-3 Worcester Park
Hartley Wintney 3-3 Knaphill
South Kilburn 2-1 Sheerwater
Westfield 1-3 Warlingham

HELLP
Abingdon Town 1-0 Binfield – Moles title hopes fizzling out – that’s twice they’ve lost to the Abbots in quick succession and they've only picked up 4 pts out of a possible 18 - hope their Vase form continues to keep them going?
Ardley United 4-0 Wantage Town – leaders in ominously good form - 13 consecutive league wins since 1st October! :shock: – pulling away from OCN who were frozen out at Witney - the two are due to clash on Friday 30th December :? .
Ascot United 0-2 Shortwood United
Flackwell Heath 2-1 Reading Town
Kidlington 1-5 Cheltenham Saracens
Slimbridge 0-0 Holyport
Thame United 1-0 Bracknell Town att 155 - by far the biggest of the day in this league – but they had some under 8s event going on before the match, so that increased the gate considerably.
– we ended up here; avoiding probable gridlock past Sluff on the M4 – had been trying to get round to Norf Lahnden for Haringey v Harefield (since the Spuds weren't at home) but diverted off with reports of ½ hour plus delays after jn 7 E-bound. :evil:
‘Robins’ could consider themselves unlucky in freezing conditions, not to bag a point. Thame were nothing special but are on a good run of late and currently sit comfortably in 8th. Bracknell looked quite lively going forward and much more resolute at the back - especially with ex-Moles KP Adams between the sticks - played really well and was only beaten by an absolute screamer from outside the box. So our expected goal-fest was never likely – bearing in mind Thame aren’t great goal scorers themselves.

Witney Town P Oxford City Nomads
Wokingham & Emmbrook P Highworth Town

HELL1E
Finchampstead 3-1 Chinnor
Letcombe 2-1 Penn & Tylers Green
Milton United 1-5 Rayners Lane
Newbury 3-1 Diddy Res. – Newbury now pulling clear of 2nd place Highmoor/IBIS (who lost to Hungerford Res.) and have 4 games in hand.
Oxon Sen R3
Bletchingdon 1-3 Henley Town

WESSP
Alresford Town 0-4 Moneyfields
Alton Town 0-0 Bournemouth

WESS1
East Cowes 1-1 Tadley Calleva
Fleet Spurs P AFC Portchester
Whitchurch United 1-1 Verwood Town

... just for Tredder - no game for Falmouth - weather wiped out most games in the far West.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 18 Dec 2011 10:35

Royalist At the end of the day we shall see who turns out to be correct Rother. Interesting post on combined counties league forum about how Windsor cannot get promotion this season. However i am sure there is ways and means around it. :wink: Ahem!

What, the one where the guy said we couldn't get promoted because we hadn't got any accounts filed yet...? I somehow doubt that is for real.

Anyway, it was great to see a decent crowd of 239 and loads of the Windsor Youth U9 team there providing their vocal support with great enthusiasm. Hopefully a number of them, and their coaches and parents will be back soon after such an awesome performance.

Chennells, O'Toole and Romeo knitted together very well in their 1st game as a trio up front and I can see them producing many many more goals. And as for Andrew Fagan at the back, well, that guy is pure class at this (and a higher) level. Decent enough though the defence was before he arrived he has taken it up another level. I've always loved watching him play at Stag Meadow - he just has more time on the ball than anyone else.

So Royalist, you coming down on the 27th?


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royalist » 18 Dec 2011 12:27

There is a rough plan too do so but i am sure you know what Christmas can be like! :D

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 18 Dec 2011 14:31

1pm KO. FREE Entry to all - hog roast from Antony Worrall Thompson, and the club want to do a Happy Hour in the bar pre-match (although it seems there might be a hiccup on that one from what I heard yesterday).

Anyway, it could be a real bumper crowd as there's very little pro football on on the 27th and what there is seems to be evening games.

500+ should be well within reach. Can't wait, personally.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Compo's Hat » 19 Dec 2011 00:46

Went down to Salisbury yesterday, fantastic result and a much needed win for the Magpies with two goals in a minute. The first very scrappy but the second a well taken chip by Parquette. Even got a high five from him as i ran to the front of the terrace to celebrate 8)

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Terminal Boardom » 19 Dec 2011 15:04

Royal Rother 1pm KO. FREE Entry to all - hog roast from Antony Worrall Thompson, and the club want to do a Happy Hour in the bar pre-match (although it seems there might be a hiccup on that one from what I heard yesterday).

Anyway, it could be a real bumper crowd as there's very little pro football on on the 27th and what there is seems to be evening games.

500+ should be well within reach. Can't wait, personally.


Last I checked, the only games on 27th are Hellenic and CCL. Nothing in the Southern League or Ryman League.


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Hoop Blah » 19 Dec 2011 16:32

Royal Rother As a follow up to the recent discussion about Windsor FC, this makes an interesting read. (And of course it would be remiss of me not to point out that it precisely echoes everything I've been saying.)


It's still the same club though, none of that really proves or suggests otherwise.

That's all that the main debate was about wasn't it?

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 19 Dec 2011 17:45

The facts would clearly indicate it is not the same club.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 19 Dec 2011 19:11

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Royal Rother Anyway, it could be a real bumper crowd as there's very little pro football on on the 27th ......


Last I checked, the only games on 27th are Hellenic and CCL. Nothing in the Southern League or Ryman League.


... true - there are barely half a doz. Ryman/Southern fixtures on the 27th - and none 'locally': most STEP03/04 clubs are playing the day before - so it could be a big turnout - hope the weather's kind next week - been told its milder but wet THIS week - not sure about next?

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 19 Dec 2011 19:45

The pitch is in magnificent condition so it'll require a helluva deluge to waterlog it...

Famous last words eh!!

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Hoop Blah » 19 Dec 2011 20:47

Royal Rother The facts would clearly indicate it is not the same club.


Same place, same fans, some of the same people running it.

The only thing different is the name.

What other facts indicate otherwise then?

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 19 Dec 2011 21:05

Pointless discussion as I said before. The facts are that the old club was wound up on 2nd February 2011. New club formed.

Ergo, new club.

Sorry, but there is no other valid viewpoint.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Terminal Boardom » 20 Dec 2011 15:18

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Royal Rother The facts would clearly indicate it is not the same club.


Same place, same fans, some of the same people running it.

The only thing different is the name.

What other facts indicate otherwise then?


Errr... if it was the same club wouldn't it be in the Southern Premier League? After all, that's where Windsor & Eton were? In the eyes of the National FA, it is a new club. In the eyes of the Berks & Bucks FA, it is a new club. There is a new Limited Company so, in the eyes of HMRC and Companies House, it is a new club. Even in the eyes of the CCL, it is a new club. In the eyes of the suppliers, it is a new Comapny. What about Windsor Youth FC? Were they anything to do with Windsor & Eton? No. Why? Because they are part of Windsor FC and joined forces with Windsor FC earlier this year.

Are you seriously suggesting that the facility that is Stag Meadow should not have been used? Are you seriously suggesting that because supporters supported Windsor & Eton that they are not supposed to support Windsor? Sorry. those two arguments of yours are just plain bonkers.

I accept that there are some people out there who choose to think otherwise. That is their choice and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do or say to change their blinkered minds.

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