Kit - Hoops All The Way Round?

[who are ya?]

so, can star provide a direct email address for us to email?

and can i suggest that those that voted for the hoops to be all the way around send in an email? obviously the more that do the better. (publicise the email address on your social networks etc).

it may be too late for this summers design but perhaps for next season a change may be on the cards.

It can't be too hard for STAR to forward some kind of petition surely. Get together something half sensible to put forward to the club other than a HNA? poLOLOL and who knows.

I can't for one second imagine there will be more people who want to clearly read the name and number of a player before booing them, over people who want a fully hooped shirt. If there is then our fan base has reached new levels of patheticness.

[Friday's Legacy]

i agree. and why not have a couple of star representatives at a home game with a clip board asking fans if they preferred the hoops all the way around, and ask them to sign the petition. it doesn't even need to be only star, i'm sure some here would take part and walk around the ground getting signatures before handing them into the star porter cabin before kick off. you would easily get 1000 (at the very least) and that would certainly out number the few letters of complaint about not being able to see and read the numbers and lettering.

[STAR Liaison]

i agree. and why not have a couple of star representatives at a home game with a clip board asking fans if they preferred the hoops all the way around, and ask them to sign the petition. it doesn't even need to be only star, i'm sure some here would take part and walk around the ground getting signatures before handing them into the star porter cabin before kick off. you would easily get 1000 (at the very least) and that would certainly out number the few letters of complaint about not being able to see and read the numbers and lettering.

If you will volunteer I am sure at STAR we can help you with the logistics of clip-boards, sheets for signature etc as well as others to help with getting the signatures. I actually only got involved with STAR because I volunteered to get signatures on a petition to get a crossing over the A33 for RFSC and then was there for the start of STAR.

I am usually busy before a game as are many of the rest of the Board of STAR so this would be a great opportunity for someone else to do their bit for their fellow supporters and get some signatures on a petition - come into the STAR Base and have a word with us before a home game and we can take it from there.

[Muguire]

i agree. and why not have a couple of star representatives at a home game with a clip board asking fans if they preferred the hoops all the way around, and ask them to sign the petition. it doesn't even need to be only star, i'm sure some here would take part and walk around the ground getting signatures before handing them into the star porter cabin before kick off. you would easily get 1000 (at the very least) and that would certainly out number the few letters of complaint about not being able to see and read the numbers and lettering.

If you will volunteer I am sure at STAR we can help you with the logistics of clip-boards, sheets for signature etc

I am usually busy before a game...

It's no wonder people look upon STAR as a pointless organisation. Yet you say don't rely on others to do the complaining etc... It's no surprise when you shirk an opportunity like this to make a difference. Just 1 hour before a game would collect more than enough signatures to make a valid point. Perhaps if you met the fans half way you might just get some volunteers

[sandman]

I'm refusing to buy a Reading kit until we have hoops all the way round the back and I feel it's an adequate design. I'm still rocking my westcoast one.

same here, I haven't bought a shirt for years and won't until it has hoops. Until then I will save my money

I haven't bought a Reading shirt for years either. Mainly because I'm over the age of 12.

[STAR Liaison]

i agree. and why not have a couple of star representatives at a home game with a clip board asking fans if they preferred the hoops all the way around, and ask them to sign the petition. it doesn't even need to be only star, i'm sure some here would take part and walk around the ground getting signatures before handing them into the star porter cabin before kick off. you would easily get 1000 (at the very least) and that would certainly out number the few letters of complaint about not being able to see and read the numbers and lettering.

If you will volunteer I am sure at STAR we can help you with the logistics of clip-boards, sheets for signature etc

I am usually busy before a game...

It's no wonder people look upon STAR as a pointless organisation. Yet you say don't rely on others to do the complaining etc... It's no surprise when you shirk an opportunity like this to make a difference. Just 1 hour before a game would collect more than enough signatures to make a valid point. Perhaps if you met the fans half way you might just get some volunteers

You are welcome to your opinion but STAR is made up of volunteers - so if you want something done it is not unfair to ask for you to volunteer some of your time as well.

[Ian Royal]

i agree. and why not have a couple of star representatives at a home game with a clip board asking fans if they preferred the hoops all the way around, and ask them to sign the petition. it doesn't even need to be only star, i'm sure some here would take part and walk around the ground getting signatures before handing them into the star porter cabin before kick off. you would easily get 1000 (at the very least) and that would certainly out number the few letters of complaint about not being able to see and read the numbers and lettering.

If you will volunteer I am sure at STAR we can help you with the logistics of clip-boards, sheets for signature etc

I am usually busy before a game...

It's no wonder people look upon STAR as a pointless organisation. Yet you say don't rely on others to do the complaining etc... It's no surprise when you shirk an opportunity like this to make a difference. Just 1 hour before a game would collect more than enough signatures to make a valid point. Perhaps if you met the fans half way you might just get some volunteers

as well as others to help with getting the signatures. ...come into the STAR Base and have a word with us before a home game and we can take it from there.

This sort of thing could do with a two pronged approach, with customers actually contacting the club directly as well as pressure from STAR. Seeing as I'm pretty sure STAR asked about it in a poll they did a while back and seem to ask about it direct with the club every year, they seem to be holding their end up.

Are you doing your bit? Criticism is always rather more useful if it comes with a solution, not just small minded sniping from the sides.

[The Rouge]

Even with the small sample considered, the results here are overwhelming.

[Magnus]

If you will volunteer I am sure at STAR we can help you with the logistics of clip-boards, sheets for signature etc

I am usually busy before a game...

It's no wonder people look upon STAR as a pointless organisation. Yet you say don't rely on others to do the complaining etc... It's no surprise when you shirk an opportunity like this to make a difference. Just 1 hour before a game would collect more than enough signatures to make a valid point. Perhaps if you met the fans half way you might just get some volunteers

You are welcome to your opinion but STAR is made up of volunteers - so if you want something done it is not unfair to ask for you to volunteer some of your time as well.

If I did volunteer the first thing I'd ask is for you to stand down, as with the gr8est of respect, I think your attitude stinks.

If you didn't want to reach out to the fans and represent their views, why on earth did you volunteer in the first place? If you haven't got time, then do us all a favour and stand down. To shrug your shoulders and say well if you think you can do better then give it a go says to me you've already lost the will to represent us. No shame in that, but move on.

[Friday's Legacy]

i have to say that is a very good post/point, magnus.

members of star are indeed volunteers, and they volunteered to represent the fans and be our voice. the fans have come up with an idea that in all honesty star should have come up with, if indeed it is true that they approach the club annually regarding the kits and the hoops not going all the way around.

supporters have suggested getting signatures before a game, which wouldn't take more than maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a half as a one off; and this would give you more than enough signatures to again approach the club and say "here is a majority we polled outside the stadium vs the handful of old farts who complain they can't see/read the shirt backs", and then our point is made; and if by what you are saying is true, we would then be heard, and we would then be the majority to keep happy!

you volunteered to be our voice. you volunteered to take an active role as a lead at the supporters trust at reading, so surely this is what members of star pay for?

give up and hour and a half and make a difference, and the results of this will if you are telling us the truth, make a difference.

and if you're not prepared to do it, perhaps magnus is right and you should ask yourself why you bother being involved with star, and what is it being a volunteer of star means, and give up your position to a supporter or supporters that want to give up their time and represent the majority voice of reading football club.

[jonboy29red]

i think that if you email customerservice@readingfc.co.uk.this might help im all for hoops all the way round, alot also depends on when pumas contract is up and who we get as a new kit maker

[who are ya?]

Only problem here is, it will need a few people so if one person's struggling to make the time then how you going to get a few of them out clipboarding it up around the stadium

[Royal With Cheese]

Taking the Biscuit conducted a similar survey in the early 90's that, unsurprisingly, came to exactly the same conclusion.

[The Rouge]

I kind of agree with Red here.

IF the club say they will listen to results then sure me or others will volunteer do to this for an hour if the date fits. Surely the job and worth of STAR is that:

- they have an open communication channel with the club
- they will represent fans on the big issues

[Muguire]

It's no wonder people look upon STAR as a pointless organisation. Yet you say don't rely on others to do the complaining etc... It's no surprise when you shirk an opportunity like this to make a difference. Just 1 hour before a game would collect more than enough signatures to make a valid point. Perhaps if you met the fans half way you might just get some volunteers

You are welcome to your opinion but STAR is made up of volunteers - so if you want something done it is not unfair to ask for you to volunteer some of your time as well.

If I did volunteer the first thing I'd ask is for you to stand down, as with the gr8est of respect, I think your attitude stinks.

If you didn't want to reach out to the fans and represent their views, why on earth did you volunteer in the first place? If you haven't got time, then do us all a favour and stand down. To shrug your shoulders and say well if you think you can do better then give it a go says to me you've already lost the will to represent us. No shame in that, but move on.

i have to say that is a very good post/point, magnus.

members of star are indeed volunteers, and they volunteered to represent the fans and be our voice. the fans have come up with an idea that in all honesty star should have come up with, if indeed it is true that they approach the club annually regarding the kits and the hoops not going all the way around.

supporters have suggested getting signatures before a game, which wouldn't take more than maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a half as a one off; and this would give you more than enough signatures to again approach the club and say "here is a majority we polled outside the stadium vs the handful of old farts who complain they can't see/read the shirt backs", and then our point is made; and if by what you are saying is true, we would then be heard, and we would then be the majority to keep happy!

you volunteered to be our voice. you volunteered to take an active role as a lead at the supporters trust at reading, so surely this is what members of star pay for?

give up and hour and a half and make a difference, and the results of this will if you are telling us the truth, make a difference.

and if you're not prepared to do it, perhaps magnus is right and you should ask yourself why you bother being involved with star, and what is it being a volunteer of star means, and give up your position to a supporter or supporters that want to give up their time and represent the majority voice of reading football club.

Both excellent responses. Starliaison? You can make this happen. It really isn't a great deal to see it through, and as mentioned you will have all the signatures you need to go back to the football club and show them they're is overwhelming support for FULL HOOPS vs the tiny amount of those opposing them, due to the fact they come so infrequently they can't recognise their own players...

[STAR Liaison]

If I did volunteer the first thing I'd ask is for you to stand down, as with the gr8est of respect, I think your attitude stinks.

If you didn't want to reach out to the fans and represent their views, why on earth did you volunteer in the first place? If you haven't got time, then do us all a favour and stand down. To shrug your shoulders and say well if you think you can do better then give it a go says to me you've already lost the will to represent us. No shame in that, but move on.

Thank you for the respect - all I am saying is that I have volunteered to represent Reading supporters but why does that preclude me from asking others to volunteer too? If you feel strongly about something it should not be too much trouble to help to change it rather than assume others will.

I am not sure why you say I shrug my shoulders and say if you can do better - as I said STAR would help any idea of a petition but these things are usually much better if driven by someone who feels really strongly about it.

[West Stand Man]

I just love the way that the vocal minority on this board seem to think that they represent the majority view - with out testing that assertion.

If they were to be believed, the mass opnion is that post- goal music is to be abhorred and deleted. Yet week in week out we see the vast majority of the crowd dancing to it. Now we are to believe that HNA is the Oracle when it comes to club strips.

If it were really that critical to sales of the strip you can bet that the club would go for the full hoops option. The truth is that most fans who want a shirt will buy one regardless of the HNA view. The club's marketing simply needs to look at the numbers sold - and I am confident that they do.

[Skin]

I just love the way that the vocal minority on this board seem to think that they represent the majority view - with out testing that assertion.

If they were to be believed, the mass opnion is that post- goal music is to be abhorred and deleted. Yet week in week out we see the vast majority of the crowd dancing to it. Now we are to believe that HNA is the Oracle when it comes to club strips.

If it were really that critical to sales of the strip you can bet that the club would go for the full hoops option. The truth is that most fans who want a shirt will buy one regardless of the HNA view. The club's marketing simply needs to look at the numbers sold - and I am confident that they do.

..think it might be making the most of a less than perfect situation on all those examples you use? Doesn't mean it is always the preferred option though does it!?

I guess you already knew that though.

Next.

[West Stand Man]

I just love the way that the vocal minority on this board seem to think that they represent the majority view - with out testing that assertion.

If they were to be believed, the mass opnion is that post- goal music is to be abhorred and deleted. Yet week in week out we see the vast majority of the crowd dancing to it. Now we are to believe that HNA is the Oracle when it comes to club strips.

If it were really that critical to sales of the strip you can bet that the club would go for the full hoops option. The truth is that most fans who want a shirt will buy one regardless of the HNA view. The club's marketing simply needs to look at the numbers sold - and I am confident that they do.

..think it might be making the most of a less than perfect situation on all those examples you use? Doesn't mean it is always the preferred option though does it!?

I guess you already knew that though.

Next.

Sorry? What are you getting at? The evidence is pretty clear. The VAST majority of fans are not on this board. The VAST majority of fans haven't expressed their views here. Just because this board has a view in one direction does not make it representative. My case stands as presented.

Neither the music nor the shirt issue is as important to most people as is implied on here.

[Skin]

I just love the way that the vocal minority on this board seem to think that they represent the majority view - with out testing that assertion.

If they were to be believed, the mass opnion is that post- goal music is to be abhorred and deleted. Yet week in week out we see the vast majority of the crowd dancing to it. Now we are to believe that HNA is the Oracle when it comes to club strips.

If it were really that critical to sales of the strip you can bet that the club would go for the full hoops option. The truth is that most fans who want a shirt will buy one regardless of the HNA view. The club's marketing simply needs to look at the numbers sold - and I am confident that they do.

..think it might be making the most of a less than perfect situation on all those examples you use? Doesn't mean it is always the preferred option though does it!?

I guess you already knew that though.

Next.

Sorry? What are you getting at? The evidence is pretty clear. The VAST majority of fans are not on this board. The VAST majority of fans haven't expressed their views here. Just because this board has a view in one direction does not make it representative. My case stands as presented.

Neither the music nor the shirt issue is as important to most people as is implied on here.

I don't think most people worry enough about it to want to do something about it but if given the option they probably would. As it is these people just get on with it music or no music, hoops or no hoops, it doesn't mean that is their first preference does it? The very nature of a forum like this will bring these issues to the fore but you cannot say it doesn't represent the silent majority, just because it only represents the vocal minority, it doesn't follow.