Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

[TBM]

No he couldn't have talked to anyone, until the June time

So basically your point about "if he's any good then Premiership sides would have put a bid in" is, how can i put it, bollocks!?

Sorry that is nonsense.

If a player is out of contract at the end of the season he can, quite rightly, enter talks some months ahead.

No he can't.........not with Premiership clubs, with clubs abroad yes, but not in England.

[Ian Royal]

I'm not interested in other clubs 'keepers but even if Fed was deemed good enough for back up in the top flight we would know about it.

Why not show me any evidence, amongst all the wild speculation that goes on throughout any transfer window, of the slightest top flight interest in our goalkeeper.

All I remember is panic over losing McCarthy.

I heard Adie Williams claiming Kebe had had just 6 decent games this season when his recent absence has shown just how blunt we look without him...........................

If Federici is the best in this division he must be one of a very poor bunch that no one deems good enough for the top flight.

So Feds is not the best in the championship, but you have no idea about the rest.

That's a head up arse moment.

[Vision]

Because the chances of the best keeper in the 2nd tier being of no interest to any clubs in the top flight are almost nil.

Hmmm, isn't that a stat?

Seems to me that people are here saying that mere opinion
is not good enough and that we need outside evidence.


Hmmm...

I'd say its an opinion based on a fallacy.

[Woodcote Royal]

No he couldn't have talked to anyone, until the June time

So basically your point about "if he's any good then Premiership sides would have put a bid in" is, how can i put it, bollocks!?

Sorry that is nonsense.

If a player is out of contract at the end of the season he can, quite rightly, enter talks some months ahead.

No he can't.........not with Premiership clubs, with clubs abroad yes, but not in England.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... 2010_e.pdf

18 Special provisions relating to contracts
between professionals and clubs


18 IV. MAINTENANCE OF CONTRACTUAL STABILITY BETWEEN PROFESSIONALS AND CLUBS

3. A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the
player’s current club in writing before entering into negotiations with him. A
professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his
contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months.
Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions.

[Woodcote Royal]

Because the chances of the best keeper in the 2nd tier being of no interest to any clubs in the top flight are almost nil.

Hmmm, isn't that a stat?

Seems to me that people are here saying that mere opinion
is not good enough and that we need outside evidence.


Hmmm...

I'd say its an opinion based on a fallacy.

As when Federici leaves for a substantial fee, I will be happy for you to say "I told you so"

[Woodcote Royal]

I'm not interested in other clubs 'keepers but even if Fed was deemed good enough for back up in the top flight we would know about it.

Why not show me any evidence, amongst all the wild speculation that goes on throughout any transfer window, of the slightest top flight interest in our goalkeeper.

All I remember is panic over losing McCarthy.

I heard Adie Williams claiming Kebe had had just 6 decent games this season when his recent absence has shown just how blunt we look without him...........................

If Federici is the best in this division he must be one of a very poor bunch that no one deems good enough for the top flight.

So Feds is not the best in the championship, but you have no idea about the rest.

That's a head up arse moment.

Coming from someone who has had 25001 head up arse moments while searching for a life.......................

[TBM]

Sorry that is nonsense.

If a player is out of contract at the end of the season he can, quite rightly, enter talks some months ahead.

No he can't.........not with Premiership clubs, with clubs abroad yes, but not in England.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... 2010_e.pdf

18 Special provisions relating to contracts
between professionals and clubs


18 IV. MAINTENANCE OF CONTRACTUAL STABILITY BETWEEN PROFESSIONALS AND CLUBS

3. A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the
player’s current club in writing before entering into negotiations with him. A
professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his
contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months.
Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions.

I admire your dedication but as i said English teams can only offer a contract to foreign based players as per normal Bosman rule (6 months), however an England based player is 1 month prior to their contract expiry (normally May time as most contracts end in June).

[Vision]

Hmmm,isn't that a stat?

Seems to me that people are here saying that mere opinion
is not good enough and that we need outside evidence.


Hmmm...

I'd say its an opinion based on a fallacy.

As when Federici leaves for a substantial fee, I will be happy for you to say "I told you so"

A) I'm not Snowball
B) Whether Federici leaves for millions or nowt doesn't alter the fact that what you posted isn't a stat (as Snowy suggested) but merely your opinion. Which is fair enough

[Woodcote Royal]

18 IV. MAINTENANCE OF CONTRACTUAL STABILITY BETWEEN PROFESSIONALS AND CLUBS

3. A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the
player’s current club in writing before entering into negotiations with him. A
professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his
contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months.
Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions.

I admire your dedication but as i said English teams can only offer a contract to foreign based players as per normal Bosman rule (6 months), however an England based player is 1 month prior to their contract expiry (normally May time as most contracts end in June).

My original point was that, at the very least, players are allowed to enter talks with other clubs within 6 months of their contract end. Not only is it basic common sense that there must be some fair and sensible interim period in which a player may enter provisional discussions to seek future employment, FIFA is the governing body here and there's no way that player power would have allowed their Bosman victory to have left such draconian rules in place.

However, feel free to illustrate that this is not the case............................even if it means diddly squat in regard to interest in Long last January.

[Woodcote Royal]

I'd say its an opinion based on a fallacy.

As when Federici leaves for a substantial fee, I will be happy for you to say "I told you so"

A) I'm not Snowball
B) Whether Federici leaves for millions or nowt doesn't alter the fact that what you posted isn't a stat (as Snowy suggested) but merely your opinion. Which is fair enough

I was merely responding to your view that my view was based on a fallacy whilst assuming Snowball's observation was nothing more than sarcasm

[Snowball]

B) Whether Federici leaves for millions or nowt doesn't alter the fact that what you posted isn't a stat (as Snowy suggested) but merely your opinion. Which is fair enough

Saying "No club has come in for X" is a stat.

[Vision]

B) Whether Federici leaves for millions or nowt doesn't alter the fact that what you posted isn't a stat (as Snowy suggested) but merely your opinion. Which is fair enough

Saying "No club has come in for X" is a stat.

Thats not actually what he said though was it ?.

[RG30]

Transfer deadline day 2010, Fulham were prepared to sign Feds provided they sold Schwarzer to Arsenal. At least that's what I thought.

[TBM]

My original point was that, at the very least, players are allowed to enter talks with other clubs within 6 months of their contract end.

Errrm, but they can't*






*in England

[Woodcote Royal]

The floor is all yours, TBM, to dispute my view with some hard evidence.

[Z175]

A few games ago I analysed this. I used the stats of the Football League and ESPN website and scored each Championship goalie on Saves/Game. I then tweaked this with an invented weighting consisting of two factors - team goals conceeded (from the league table) and personal goals conceeded (from GK stats). GKs were punished by having a good team defence, my theory being that a better defence should mean the saves made are easier, and rewarded by personally conceeding fewer goals.

I eliminated all who started fewer than 10 games, and found this to be my order. Ironically the best and worst keepers are both Steeles.


1 Luke Steele
2 Robert Green
3 Paul Jones
4 Adriano Basso
5 Adam Federici
6 David Stockdale
7 Casper Ankergren
8 Peter Gulacsi
9 Matthew Gilks
10 David James
11 Stephen Henderson
12 Julian Speroni
13 Joe Murphy
14 Frank Fielding
15 Andy Lonergan
16 Kasper Schmeichel
17 Lee Grant
18 David Forde
19 David Marshall
20 Kelvin Davis
21 Scott Loach
22 Lee Camp
23 Boaz Myhill
24 Jason Steele

[Snowball]

B) Whether Federici leaves for millions or nowt doesn't alter the fact that what you posted isn't a stat (as Snowy suggested) but merely your opinion. Which is fair enough

Saying "No club has come in for X" is a stat.

Thats not actually what he said though was it ?.

And here in pedant's corner, vision is currently winning on pedantry points..

but even if Fed was deemed good enough for back up in the top flight we would know about it.

How might we know about it if it wasn't interest or offers from the top flight?

Why not show me any evidence, amongst all the wild speculation that goes on throughout any transfer window, of the slightest top flight interest in our goalkeeper.

ie. If Spurs have made an enquiry, that's (1), if Arsenal did that's (2)

Them'd be stats them'd'be

[Woodcote Royal]

In your case I'd call it get a life corner.

How did we know there was interest in Long?

[Hoop Blah]

A few games ago I analysed this. I used the stats of the Football League and ESPN website and scored each Championship goalie on Saves/Game. I then tweaked this with an invented weighting consisting of two factors - team goals conceeded (from the league table) and personal goals conceeded (from GK stats). GKs were punished by having a good team defence, my theory being that a better defence should mean the saves made are easier, and rewarded by personally conceeding fewer goals.

I eliminated all who started fewer than 10 games, and found this to be my order. Ironically the best and worst keepers are both Steeles.

20 Kelvin Davis
21 Scott Loach
22 Lee Camp

Interesting approach but I think you've got 3 of the better keepers right down the bottom of your list. To me that would indicate that your method is over rewarding or penalising somewhere.

As we've discussed on here (at length) many times before, the stats can't show exactly how good a keeper is as they don't record the type of shots they save, the ones they let in, how well they dominate their area, co-orindate their back four, distribute the ball or many other factors that make up a good keeper.

It's all food for thought though.

[Hoop Blah]

The floor is all yours, TBM, to dispute my view with some hard evidence.

I'm not sure why this is the case, but I'm certain TBM has it right. The regulations you were quoting earlier are FIFA ones right? There's probably some FA/Football League/Premier League convention that dictates the 6 month rule doesn't apply to domestic transfers.