The Snowball stat thread

[Snowball]

Still looks like we'd be ok for the play offs but our record in the play offs is poor. Unfortunate we didn't do better in the first 6 games. Assuming we keep up a decent enough run of form where that'll take is close enough.

Except for a possible nervousness our past record in POs is irrelevant.

It's a 50/50 bet in a PO Final so losing 3 will happen 12.5% of the time

I wouldn't want to play Saints or West Ham at Wembley (and I'd rather autos, anyway)
but we can beat the rest

[Snowball]

Jesus, is Raymond Babbitt still waffling on?

What is it, my son?


When was your last confession?

[From Despair To Where?]

[Wimb]

Yup, rubber-neckers are pretty dumb people without lives.


Oh, Hi!

wow... was defending you tbf but if you're going to take that attitude

[Wycombe Royal]

The saddest thing about all this is that Snowball thinks he is being clever and proving his point whilst revelling, in what he thinks is, defeating his enemies.

When in actual fact all he is doing is making himself look a bigger and bigger tit.

[Wycombe Royal]

Only surprise to me is L-wood being low down. I guess that's down to how poor he was for the first 6+ games
and the fact he's been out for some of the clean sheets and is down on goals/assists

Or maybe it is because your system favours defenders and attacking players and not defensive midfielders who do alot of the hardwork without actually getting much credit for it. Karacan is also low down and he is going to be in the running for player of the season.

It all comes back to how subjective the analysis is.

[Wycombe Royal]

Except for a possible nervousness our past record in POs is irrelevant.

No it isn't. Yet again you are ignoring the "mental" side of the game just because it can't be quantified by facts. There is more to it than just nervousness.

Go and speak to a sports pyschologist (probably spelt that wrong but I don't care).

[Vision]

I know I'm going to regret asking this but I've seen it mentioned more than once and its bugging me.

What is an "HC" ?

[Snowball]

Only surprise to me is L-wood being low down. I guess that's down to how poor he was for the first 6+ games
and the fact he's been out for some of the clean sheets and is down on goals/assists

Or maybe it is because your system favours defenders and attacking players and not defensive midfielders who do alot of the hardwork without actually getting much credit for it. Karacan is also low down and he is going to be in the running for player of the season.

It all comes back to how subjective the analysis is.

or maybe not



It's not "a system". It's just like goals-assists etc but slightly expanded.

And since I give defenders a 5 for clean sheets and DMs 4 for clean sheets, that is hardly favouring defenders over DMs
especially as DMs do get forward and have shots at goal in open play. The reason I chose to give them 4 rather than 5
should be obvious. Defenders need a good DM, I know that, but defenders will still be the ones making the blocks, saves,
heads off the line, tackles in the six yard box etc (I mean more often than strikers, wingers, and DMs.)

I am totally aware of what Elwood and Jem do (and Tabby) (and I rate them highly)
and I know that wingers tackle back etc. We don't have stats for tackles made, blocks made etc
so, so far, this is the best I've got

[Snowball]

I know I'm going to regret asking this but I've seen it mentioned more than once and its bugging me.

What is an "HC" ?

a typo. I meant MC, major contribution

[Wycombe Royal]

What a surprise Snowball disagrees with someone elses opinion and lectures that his way is right.

It is subjective. Someone else could use a different point scoring system and provide a totally different ranking to yours. But of course yours would be right and theirs would be wrong.

[Snowball]

Except for a possible nervousness our past record in POs is irrelevant.

No it isn't. Yet again you are ignoring the "mental" side of the game just because it can't be quantified by facts. There is more to it than just nervousness.

Go and speak to a sports pyschologist (probably spelt that wrong but I don't care).

Jesus, what do you think "possible nervousness" refers to?


and

There is nothing remarkable about losing 3, 4, 5 or even six 50/50 games on the trot.

That's another misunderstanding by people who don't understand simple probability

1 Loss 50% or 2-1
2 Losses 25% or 4-1
3 Losses 12.5% or 8-1
4 Losses 6.25% or 16-1
5 Losses 3.13% or 32-1

That is, for 100 clubs in POs you should EXPECT 3 of them "randomly" to lose 5 on the trot

[Snowball]

What a surprise Snowball disagrees with someone elses opinion and lectures that his way is right.

It is subjective. Someone else could use a different point scoring system and provide a totally different ranking to yours. But of course yours would be right and theirs would be wrong.

What is subjective about

Goal Scored
Clean Sheet
Penalty Awarded
Penalty Scored
Assist?

and where's the lecture?

And are you not disagreeing with ME?

[Snowball]

But of course yours would be right and theirs would be wrong.

No. Theirs would be theirs, mine is mine. Simples.

[Wycombe Royal]

Except for a possible nervousness our past record in POs is irrelevant.

No it isn't. Yet again you are ignoring the "mental" side of the game just because it can't be quantified by facts. There is more to it than just nervousness.

Go and speak to a sports pyschologist (probably spelt that wrong but I don't care).

Jesus, what do you think "possible nervousness" refers to?

So I can only assume you missed the bit where I said "There is more to it than just nervousness".

[RobRoyal]

What a surprise Snowball disagrees with someone elses opinion and lectures that his way is right.

It is subjective. Someone else could use a different point scoring system and provide a totally different ranking to yours. But of course yours would be right and theirs would be wrong.

What is subjective about

Goal Scored
Clean Sheet
Penalty Awarded
Penalty Scored
Assist?

and where's the lecture?

And are you not disagreeing with ME?

What is subjective is the weighting you give each stat in terms of points. Did you really not gather that? And then of course there's a lot of subjectivity involved in deciding what an assist is...

[Wycombe Royal]

What a surprise Snowball disagrees with someone elses opinion and lectures that his way is right.

It is subjective. Someone else could use a different point scoring system and provide a totally different ranking to yours. But of course yours would be right and theirs would be wrong.

What is subjective about

Goal Scored
Clean Sheet
Penalty Awarded
Penalty Scored
Assist?

and where's the lecture?

And are you not disagreeing with ME?

POINTS, I said POINTS.
And then you failed to list genuine solo goals, major contributions, lesser contributions, etc - those aren't subjective? only in your eyes maybe.

This is something based on facts. It is based on a point scoring system that you have devised and someone else could devise a different one that shows something completely different. Because of that simple FACT it is subjective.

[Snowball]

What is subjective is the weighting you give each stat in terms of points.

That's not "subjective" (as in non-objective).

It's merely a number chosen with some logic behind it.

We award the player scoring a goal 5 points, and an assister 5 points
(normally then just two players who might be strikers, midfielders
or defenders.)

But we award ALL the five defenders 5 points for a clean sheet, the two DMs 4 points for a clean sheet

That seems balanced and objective to me, and I had no idea how the stats would total up.

Elwood is lower partly because he (a) had six terrible games, then six ordinary ones, (b) was
injured for some blank sheets so didn't get thiose bonuses and has just one goal, one assist

[Wycombe Royal]

It's merely a number chosen with some logic behind it.

Not it is subjective, and the logic is just Snowball logic.

[Snowball]

POINTS, I said POINTS. And then you failed to list genuine solo goals, major contributions, lesser contributions, etc - those aren't subjective? only in your eyes maybe.

You are SERIOUSLY saying you need to discuss a solo-goal versus an assisted one?

A player should get an assist for helping to MAKE a goal with a crucial final pass, say.

But if Pearce boots the ball out to Jimmy who then dribbles 50 yards beating four players before scoring, Pearce DOESN'T get an assist. Instead Kebe gets the 10 points.

Many on this list have written about strikers who "make their own chances out of nothing."

Stop being pedantic for the sheer sake of it.


Major contributions include assists, and those are OFFICIALLY listed. And there have been A FEW, each one detailed on the board, about four so far in 32 games (wowsers) where a brilliant cross wasn't "technically" an assist but I felt it worth acknowledging