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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Friday's Legacy » 18 Mar 2012 13:28

i'm not sure of the long term affects of his heart not working for that 60-90 min spell, but his brain should hopefully be OK as they would have been providing CPR and oxygen for the entire time. his brain shouldn't have gone long without oxygen.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by exileinleeds » 18 Mar 2012 13:30

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Are there any massive repercussions of a heart stopping beating ( other than the obvious) such as similarities to lack of oxygen to the brain? They've got it beating again and he's breathing, where is the area they are concerned with now? no doubt stability to work unaided, but just trying to see what else could be happening.

Read the story of his life last night in the mail I think, guy moved to the UK so escape the civil war, worked hard at school and to get a trial as a kid to play football. Plays for England and after being raised here, loves the country and is a good guy by all accounts.

Muamba spoke of his pride in playing for England before the tournament.
"This is my adopted country," he told an interviewer.
"People have helped me, welcomed me with open arms and given me this opportunity. I'm earning a more than decent living and leading a comfortable life. I'm very appreciative of that.
"When I hear the anthem, I just think about how far I have come. English people have helped me and I feel part of it."

Makes me proud that we can give people a chance in this country to turn out like muamba and be so respectful.

Really hope he pulls through. Firstly for his own health and the happiness of his family, secondly so he can see just how what has happened to him has brought nearly the entire football world together in unity...even the unexpected people.


Very obvious concern, however, he was given oxygen very quickly- and even though his heart was not pumping it, the manual intervention would in all likelihood have maintained sufficient reached his brain for no lasting damage to have been done.

I heard a cardiologist interviewed this morning, it is very unlikely to have been a heart attack- it was a cardiac arrest. Likely to have some rare and undetected congenital problem. Whether this can be fixed and give him the option to return to football is anyones guess. Fortunately he seems to be an intelligent and ambitious young man with greater goals than just football. Please god he will live to fulfill them.

Have to say I am sitting here feeling very very fortunate this morning.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Pepe the Horseman » 18 Mar 2012 13:46

Talk of Bolton pulling out of the FA cup rather than replaying the game.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Uke » 18 Mar 2012 15:01

Heart did not beat independently for two hours

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... -two-hours

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Franchise FC » 18 Mar 2012 15:07

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Are there any massive repercussions of a heart stopping beating ( other than the obvious) such as similarities to lack of oxygen to the brain? They've got it beating again and he's breathing, where is the area they are concerned with now? no doubt stability to work unaided, but just trying to see what else could be happening.

Read the story of his life last night in the mail I think, guy moved to the UK so escape the civil war, worked hard at school and to get a trial as a kid to play football. Plays for England and after being raised here, loves the country and is a good guy by all accounts.

Muamba spoke of his pride in playing for England before the tournament.
"This is my adopted country," he told an interviewer.
"People have helped me, welcomed me with open arms and given me this opportunity. I'm earning a more than decent living and leading a comfortable life. I'm very appreciative of that.
"When I hear the anthem, I just think about how far I have come. English people have helped me and I feel part of it."

Makes me proud that we can give people a chance in this country to turn out like muamba and be so respectful.

Really hope he pulls through. Firstly for his own health and the happiness of his family, secondly so he can see just how what has happened to him has brought nearly the entire football world together in unity...even the unexpected people.


Very obvious concern, however, he was given oxygen very quickly- and even though his heart was not pumping it, the manual intervention would in all likelihood have maintained sufficient reached his brain for no lasting damage to have been done.

I heard a cardiologist interviewed this morning, it is very unlikely to have been a heart attack- it was a cardiac arrest. Likely to have some rare and undetected congenital problem. Whether this can be fixed and give him the option to return to football is anyones guess. Fortunately he seems to be an intelligent and ambitious young man with greater goals than just football. Please god he will live to fulfill them.

Have to say I am sitting here feeling very very fortunate this morning.


The problem is, indeed, the oxygen to the brain, but sadly, the fact that he was being administered oxygen will not have been much direct help until the blood supply was restored. If the heart isn't pumping the blood doesn't get around the body and the blood carries the oxygen.

Once the heart is beating again, whether aided or otherwise, the oxygen to the brain would be resolved.


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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Uke » 18 Mar 2012 15:21

Prick of the week is in Pontypridd and well done to plod for moving so quick

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17416472

Franchise is correct, heart and lungs need to work together. Replacing one isnot enough.

If he was intubated and being respirated using a bag he would have had supplemental oxygen

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Royal Lady » 18 Mar 2012 15:22

I heard yesterday that Muamba was also doing an accountancy degree or something. He sounds like a top bloke and well loved and popular at the club. He's clinging on, so let's all hope this is a good sign and he will get better. Terrible time for his young wife and son.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by paultheroyal » 18 Mar 2012 15:41

Appropriate?


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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Handsome Man » 18 Mar 2012 15:47

paultheroyal Appropriate?



Yes
Just about
So was the minute's clapping before the Wolves game.

People want to show they are supporting him. It's difficult to know what else to do.


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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by cmonurz » 18 Mar 2012 15:50

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Are there any massive repercussions of a heart stopping beating ( other than the obvious) such as similarities to lack of oxygen to the brain?


Very similar, but if blood stops pumping it's not just your brain that is starved, but your body's vital organs. My Dad's best mate recently suffered a torn aorta, and collapsed at work. Thankfully he has survived, but his heart stopped 4 times during transfer to hospital, and the long-lasting damage of that appears to have been to his kidneys, which have totally packed in.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by LoyalRoyalFan » 18 Mar 2012 16:24

Thoughts are with Muamba and his family. Hope he makes a full recovery. Thoughts are also with those who have gone through a similar thing.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by paultheroyal » 18 Mar 2012 16:28

Two hours to restart his heart, that is some going.

Just a thought and not meaning to be controversial but would this be standard practice in hospitals up and down the land? Would you and I for instance in the same medical condition receive two hours non stop treatment to restore life?

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by cmonurz » 18 Mar 2012 16:44

paultheroyal Two hours to restart his heart, that is some going.

Just a thought and not meaning to be controversial but would this be standard practice in hospitals up and down the land? Would you and I for instance in the same medical condition receive two hours non stop treatment to restore life?


It was two hours before his heart started working constantly of its own accord, they weren't massaging his heart for two hours.


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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Rex » 18 Mar 2012 16:51

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Are there any massive repercussions of a heart stopping beating ( other than the obvious) such as similarities to lack of oxygen to the brain? They've got it beating again and he's breathing, where is the area they are concerned with now? no doubt stability to work unaided, but just trying to see what else could be happening.

Read the story of his life last night in the mail I think, guy moved to the UK so escape the civil war, worked hard at school and to get a trial as a kid to play football. Plays for England and after being raised here, loves the country and is a good guy by all accounts.

Muamba spoke of his pride in playing for England before the tournament.
"This is my adopted country," he told an interviewer.
"People have helped me, welcomed me with open arms and given me this opportunity. I'm earning a more than decent living and leading a comfortable life. I'm very appreciative of that.
"When I hear the anthem, I just think about how far I have come. English people have helped me and I feel part of it."

Makes me proud that we can give people a chance in this country to turn out like muamba and be so respectful.

Really hope he pulls through. Firstly for his own health and the happiness of his family, secondly so he can see just how what has happened to him has brought nearly the entire football world together in unity...even the unexpected people.


Very obvious concern, however, he was given oxygen very quickly- and even though his heart was not pumping it, the manual intervention would in all likelihood have maintained sufficient reached his brain for no lasting damage to have been done.

I heard a cardiologist interviewed this morning, it is very unlikely to have been a heart attack- it was a cardiac arrest. Likely to have some rare and undetected congenital problem. Whether this can be fixed and give him the option to return to football is anyones guess. Fortunately he seems to be an intelligent and ambitious young man with greater goals than just football. Please god he will live to fulfill them.

Have to say I am sitting here feeling very very fortunate this morning.


The problem is, indeed, the oxygen to the brain, but sadly, the fact that he was being administered oxygen will not have been much direct help until the blood supply was restored. If the heart isn't pumping the blood doesn't get around the body and the blood carries the oxygen.

Once the heart is beating again, whether aided or otherwise, the oxygen to the brain would be resolved.


That is the point of CPR. With shock the extremities of the body are shut down (arms and legs and then ever decreasing.) The brain dictates this self preservation. The body retains enough oxygen supply for approx 6 minutes without the use of manually stimulating the heart. CPR allows the blood / oxygen content to be topped up but CPR itself without getting a defib to put the heart back into its normal cycle, or possibly in this case restart, will eventually result in damage to the brain.

Very often the heart is starved of oxygen due to a blocked vein, artery and will weaken the exterior heart muscle the vein/artery supplies. This is what can cause a heart attack. Putting a stent into the affected vein resolved the issues but again this depends on the amount of damage that was underlying prior to the collapse.

I hope he makes a full recovery from this and it is not impossible for him to return back to the professional game but this will be dependant on the physical setback and his own frame of mind.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by royalsroyalsroyals92 » 18 Mar 2012 17:38

a loose connection of mine works with his soon to be father in law.
He's due to get married very soon and has a very young son, so that on top of everything else i hope he gets better very soon!
Massive loss if he can't pull through, to far a wider circle than that of football.
On the brighter side, most patients who suffer from cardiac arrest fail to pull through due to the nature of the condition and that their is HARDLY EVER a response from an ambulance or surrounding people that will save them.
The fact that the medical staff got on the pitch and sorted this so quickly is a massive credit to them, and due to this quick reaction there is a very good chance of him being able to survive. Over the next few weeks while he is most at risk he'll be surrounded by the equipment and the knowledge that will help him pull through

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by Uke » 18 Mar 2012 18:01

cmonurz
paultheroyal Two hours to restart his heart, that is some going.

Just a thought and not meaning to be controversial but would this be standard practice in hospitals up and down the land? Would you and I for instance in the same medical condition receive two hours non stop treatment to restore life?


It was two hours before his heart started working constantly of its own accord, they weren't massaging his heart for two hours.



^^ This

Like a difficult to start car

Whether it continues to run effectively is the problem

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by manny96 » 18 Mar 2012 19:10

Thoughts are with him and I really hoping he makes a recovery.

Massive credit got to go to the medical officials and the heart specialist who was in the crowd and came forward. Footballing authorities have really learned well from incidents in the past and from where this has happened elsewhere. It was Puerta's death in Spain that instigated football authorities to ensure there's a defibrilator in all stadiums and the Cech incident to have an ambulance on hand throughout the game.

It's obviously serious but there's definitely hope and he's in the right place. Miguel Garcia collapsed last season on the field playing for Salamanca in Spain. He was revived and has returned to health but not to playing. If it is the same sort of congenital heart condition (as it was for Puerta, Jarque, Foe, Feher and all the other sportsmen who have tragically suffered from similar conditions) and he makes it through, he won't play football again.

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by SLAMMED » 18 Mar 2012 19:27

Get well soon

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by BenReadingFC » 18 Mar 2012 20:21

I saw this pricks video yesterday evening while searching Youtube to elighten me on the event I'd been listening to on the radio for most of the way home from Barnsley. When I 1st veiewed it, I couldn't believe that he didn't realise that this was a huge can of worms he was opening up and that he was gonna get a shitload of abuse because of it.
And sure enough it turned in to the predicted shitstorm. He posted a reaction bid to the shitstorm but he still just doesn't get it. What a pcunt!

His 1st vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOjxXfEz3WI&feature=channel

and his reaction vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vSlm6amp04

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Re: Fabrice Muamba

by M-U-R-T-Y » 18 Mar 2012 21:42

What an absolute pr1ck

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