by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:15
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:18
MaguireSnowball Church Doncaster
I awarded an assist to Le Fondre for his challenge on the keeper which gifted a goal to Church
This may be where you diverge - obvs it was a fair while ago now but I don't recall Le Fondre touching the ball, just pushing the goalkeeper (might be wrong, can't check it). If he didn't touch the ball then he'll not get an assist.
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:19
MaguireSnowball Church Doncaster
I awarded an assist to Le Fondre for his challenge on the keeper which gifted a goal to Church
This may be where you diverge - obvs it was a fair while ago now but I don't recall Le Fondre touching the ball, just pushing the goalkeeper (might be wrong, can't check it). If he didn't touch the ball then he'll not get an assist.
by Maguire » 26 Mar 2012 09:20
SnowballMaguireSnowball Church Doncaster
I awarded an assist to Le Fondre for his challenge on the keeper which gifted a goal to Church
This may be where you diverge - obvs it was a fair while ago now but I don't recall Le Fondre touching the ball, just pushing the goalkeeper (might be wrong, can't check it). If he didn't touch the ball then he'll not get an assist.
As REPEATED OFTEN I am giving assists (and explaining at the time)
where I consider the player "caused/assisted" the goal. The exact "who touched it last"
is irrelevant to me. I'm talking about spirit of the thing.
Hence, as one example, when Harte made a great goal for Kebe, I gave him an assist.
It happened that Church touched the ball and pinched the goal. I don't take away Harte's
assist because of that. It's with great reluctance that I have to demote Kebe's "goal" to an assist.
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:22
by Maguire » 26 Mar 2012 09:24
Snowball Not wound up, Mags. As I say, the official stats are wrong on Alfie even if you take away the Donny assistfor Church's tap-in.
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:39
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 09:45
Ian Royal Football League website (official source) has somewhat different assist figures to snowball... (his numbers in brackets for comparison:
Roberts - 4 (5) 4 Confirmed. 5th awarded for winning pen
ALF - 3 (5) 4 confirmed, official stats wrong. 5th awarded for Church's tap-in
Hunt - 4 (8) EIGHT CONFIRMED
Kebe - 8 (10) 9th assist was at Barnsley. Also won pen in first Barnsley game.
Harte - 6 (8) Two half assists in game where Church stole a goal from Kebe. Have to find the other.
McAnuff - 11 (9) Dropped to 10 (see above). There was another erroneously awarded to McA, but can't remember which one)
HRK - 3 (3) CORRECT. Arguably UNDER. Should be 4. (Won Pen v Barnsley)
Karacan - 2 (2) CORRECT
Pearce - 2 (2) CORRECT
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 10:39
by Wycombe Royal » 26 Mar 2012 11:17
Snowball I really ought to award a goal and assist for the perfectly good goal
(admitted by the ref) for the Church-Hunt combo at Blackpool
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 14:16
Wycombe RoyalSnowball I really ought to award a goal and assist for the perfectly good goal
(admitted by the ref) for the Church-Hunt combo at Blackpool
Does that mean you should also remove assists/goals for ones that were awarded but shouldn't have been?
by Wycombe Royal » 26 Mar 2012 14:29
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 14:32
Wycombe Royal I just knew you wouldn't agree.........
by Wycombe Royal » 26 Mar 2012 15:19
SnowballWycombe Royal I just knew you wouldn't agree.........
and I noted you omitted the fact that I said I DIDN'T add the goal and assist
by Ian Royal » 26 Mar 2012 17:10
Royal With CheeseIan Royal Football League website (official source) has somewhat different assist figures to snowball... (his numbers in brackets for comparison:
Roberts - 4 (5)
ALF - 3 (5)
Hunt - 4 (8)
Kebe - 8 (10)
Harte - 6 (8)
McAnuff - 11 (9)
HRK - 3 (3)
Karacan - 2 (2)
Pearce - 2 (2)
Now is it illuminating that snowball has over estimated in every case where his figures don't match except for with McAnuff? Who knows, I don't.
Shows how subjective (and therefore verging on unreliable) a statistic "assists" is. Now I wouldn't take the official figures as gospel by any means, but there's at least one extremely hefty discrepancy there.
To be fair Ian, Snowers has been at pains to point out that these are his statistics and his alone.
Dredging this up again will only end up with another 5 pages of rubbish diluting any reasoned point anyone tries to make.
by chilipepper91 » 26 Mar 2012 17:32
by Maguire » 26 Mar 2012 18:12
chilipepper91 Just going on the "self-calculated" stats...
I now make that 17 of our 56 goals (1 in 3.3) which have come as a result of set-pieces.
For this I've included the goals which were direct, headed from a corner/free-kick or (perhaps most loosely), a few seconds after the set-piece. For example, I've included all three of our goals against Blackpool - the first came after a badly cleared corner, and Harte wouldn't have been there to finish if he hadn't taken the corner; the second may have happened a good 15 seconds after the corner was taken but again Pearce was positioned for the set-piece; and the third, well that one's obvious
So in an attempt to actually analyse some stats, do you think 1 in 3.3 is a lot for a team? Obviously I don't know totals for other teams but it seems reasonably high. Does it show that we're reliant on set-pieces or that we just put in the effort on the training pitch to make them count?
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 20:49
by chilipepper91 » 26 Mar 2012 21:22
by Snowball » 26 Mar 2012 22:47
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