by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 13:04
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 13:12
chilipepper91 But don't we ignore the first six games?
And seeing as he didn't start the first six games that affects the stats greatly, surely.
by chilipepper91 » 09 Apr 2012 13:15
by facaldaqui » 09 Apr 2012 13:18
Snowball Here is a VERY surprising statistic (Shocked me!)
If someone else wants to check this I'd appreciate it.
I'm amazed by this stat and find it hard to believe
Church has started 18 games. His last start was 21-Jan-12
Our ppg from the start of the season to 21-Jan was 1.56 ppg
but our ppg with Church starting was a lot higher, and without, a lot lower
27 12-6-9 34-27 +7 GD 42 1.56 Overall
P18 W10 D5 L3 35 Points 1.94 ppg - Church Starting
P09 W02 D1 L6 07 Points 0.78 ppg - Church not Starting
Here are the games
Starting 10-5-3
00 (90) Won 2-0 Scored Doncaster
00 (67) Won 3-2 Bristol (Losing 2-0 when he went off)
00 (75) Won 1-0 Birmingham
00 (71) Won 3-2 Ipswich
00 (61) Won 3-2 Peterboro (Scored)
00 (90) Won 1-0 Leeds (Scored)
00 (88) Won 3-0 Brighton
00 (90) Won 1-0 Ipswich
00 (83) Won 2-1 Ipswich (1-1 when came off)
00 (81) Won 1-0 (99th minute goal)
00 (90) Drew 1-1 Coventry Scored
00 (82) Drew 0-0 Middlesboro
00 (79) Drew 2-2 Derby
00 (81) Drew 1-1 Saints
00 (71) Drew 0-0 Palace
00 (70) Lost 1-0 Blackpool (Scored good goal, disallowed)
00 (61) Lost 3-1 Cardiff
00 (68) Lost 1-0 Hull
by weybridgewanderer » 09 Apr 2012 13:33
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 14:36
weybridgewanderer what have been our PPG since january, when church stopped starting?
is it down to him not starting or isi t what happens whne you can pair the same strikers week after week and let them form a partnership?
by Ian Royal » 09 Apr 2012 14:39
facaldaquiSnowball Here is a VERY surprising statistic (Shocked me!)
If someone else wants to check this I'd appreciate it.
I'm amazed by this stat and find it hard to believe
Church has started 18 games. His last start was 21-Jan-12
Our ppg from the start of the season to 21-Jan was 1.56 ppg
but our ppg with Church starting was a lot higher, and without, a lot lower
27 12-6-9 34-27 +7 GD 42 1.56 Overall
P18 W10 D5 L3 35 Points 1.94 ppg - Church Starting
P09 W02 D1 L6 07 Points 0.78 ppg - Church not Starting
Here are the games
Starting 10-5-3
00 (90) Won 2-0 Scored Doncaster
00 (67) Won 3-2 Bristol (Losing 2-0 when he went off)
00 (75) Won 1-0 Birmingham
00 (71) Won 3-2 Ipswich
00 (61) Won 3-2 Peterboro (Scored)
00 (90) Won 1-0 Leeds (Scored)
00 (88) Won 3-0 Brighton
00 (90) Won 1-0 Ipswich
00 (83) Won 2-1 Ipswich (1-1 when came off)
00 (81) Won 1-0 (99th minute goal)
00 (90) Drew 1-1 Coventry Scored
00 (82) Drew 0-0 Middlesboro
00 (79) Drew 2-2 Derby
00 (81) Drew 1-1 Saints
00 (71) Drew 0-0 Palace
00 (70) Lost 1-0 Blackpool (Scored good goal, disallowed)
00 (61) Lost 3-1 Cardiff
00 (68) Lost 1-0 Hull
Interesting. This may reflect how hard he works--Brian always says that about him. Some people accuse him of running about ineffectually, but in fact by darting across at any defender who has the ball, he defends from the front and disrupts the opponents' comfort zone. Even did that against Liverpool, to the final second.
by cmonurz » 09 Apr 2012 14:40
by Ian Royal » 09 Apr 2012 14:42
cmonurz To give some context to those Church stats - 5 of the wins and 11 of the points have been earned after Church left the field.
by Wimb » 09 Apr 2012 14:56
Sebastian I've gotta say that I find Snowball's submissions a far more interesting (and tolerable) read now they're all in one place - I actually enjoying having a look these days, which has greatly improved the quality of the whole team board. It's actually readable now.
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 15:02
weybridgewanderer what have been our PPG since january, when church stopped starting?
is it down to him not starting or isi t what happens whne you can pair the same strikers week after week and let them form a partnership?
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 15:24
cmonurz To give some context to those Church starting stats - 5 of the wins and 11 of the points have been earned after Church left the field. 4 draws and 1 losing situation (Bristol City away) have been turned into wins after Church was subbed off.
Not running Church down, just adding a bit to those original stats.
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 15:25
Ian Royalcmonurz To give some context to those Church stats - 5 of the wins and 11 of the points have been earned after Church left the field.
What's this? Blindly taking stats without checking context gives you misleading answers!?
Shirley not?!?!
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 15:52
Ian Royal
I'd have to recheck everything, but I believe our record with Church on the pitch from the start was absolutely terrible and that lots of the decent results we got when he started, only came after he'd been subsituted.
by cmonurz » 09 Apr 2012 16:01
Snowballcmonurz To give some context to those Church starting stats - 5 of the wins and 11 of the points have been earned after Church left the field. 4 draws and 1 losing situation (Bristol City away) have been turned into wins after Church was subbed off.
Not running Church down, just adding a bit to those original stats.
Didn't you used to say that Long got goals late on
because other players had tired out the opposition?
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 16:11
by Snowball » 09 Apr 2012 16:17
cmonurz
I'm not sure why you've now done an analysis of Alf's goals when you simply stumbled upon a stat about Simon Church, but that's your prerogrative.
Your stat showed Church's ppg when he starts so I added some context to that ppg statistic.
I feel that this is another example of a situation where no matter which way you play the stats,
they don't describe the full picture - as you say, no-one can no for certain if those 11 points
earned after Church was subbed would otherwise have been earned anyway.
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