Hillsborough

[FiNeRaIn]

lol chelsea fans booing the minutes silence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbhQS1PLU

[Friday's Legacy]

lol chelsea fans booing the minutes silence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbhQS1PLU

They were also chanting "Murderers" to Liverpool fans watching. I'm glad you were amused by the racist lowlife idiots that a minority of Chelsea fans are.

[FiNeRaIn]

You clearly didn't check the link...its a joke.

[Friday's Legacy]

You clearly didn't check the link...its a joke.

Your post was bad enough in all honesty.

[FiNeRaIn]

You clearly didn't check the link...its a joke.

Your post was bad enough was bad enough in all honesty.

Stop posting gibberish, clown.

[Friday's Legacy]

You clearly didn't check the link...its a joke.

Your post was bad enough was bad enough in all honesty.

Stop posting gibberish, clown.

^^ hence why I don't bother with your links when you consistently post such drivel. NFA is around if you want some "banter".

[No Fixed Abode]

There were a few fans either end of the ground making noise. Good to see Chelsea come out quickly and condem these fans.

[Friday's Legacy]

There were a few fans either end of the ground making noise. Good to see Chelsea come out quickly and condem these fans.

The only noise that came from Tottenham's end was in reaction to Chelsea, and just as they reacted, the silence ended (I felt a little early, I'm not sure). Chelsea were in the wrong, not Spurs. That's a ridiculous claim. Chelsea have apologised - but they had too! As they had to for the racist Chelsea fans on the trains, and the racist chanting towards Anton Ferdinand, oh and for their racist Captain. It's been a hell of a year for Chelsea.

[No Fixed Abode]

There were a few fans either end of the ground making noise. Good to see Chelsea come out quickly and condem these fans.

The only noise that came from Tottenham's end was in reaction to Chelsea, and just as they reacted, the silence ended (I felt a little early, I'm not sure). Chelsea were in the wrong, not Spurs. That's a ridiculous claim. Chelsea have apologised - but they had too! As they had to for the racist Chelsea fans on the trains, and the racist chanting towards Anton Ferdinand, oh and for their racist Captain. It's been a hell of a year for Chelsea.

SHould have met for a drink. I didn't know you were going.

[LWJ]

Kes does have a point here.

As someone who was going to lots of football at this time, it would be extremely unusual for a high profile game like this to be free from a fair few drunk fans, many more who whilst not drunk had had a few drinks before the match, fans who turned up late, fans who turned up without a ticket.

That was just how it was in that era. That's not to say that all of that amounts to Liverpool fans being to blame, but to suggest that none of the above was happening at this game is not really credible.

There is a huge amount of evidence that drunkenness was not a contributory factor to the disaster. That makes the point about there being "a fair few drunk fans" at the game irrelevant.

Fans did not turn up late by any definition. In fact, you could argue they turned up early. The tickets for this game advised fans to arrive 15 minutes before kick off. 15 minutes. The central pens at the Leppings Lane end were full to capacity by 2.10. The crush outside the ground started at around 1.50 and was critical by 2.20. Most of the people in the crush had arrived in Leppings Lane around 1.30. Who here things turning up at a ground an hour and half before kick off constitutes "late"?

Taylor found no evidence that ticketless fans were to blame. Indeed the Leppings Lane terrace, as a whole, was probably just under capacity, suggesting that only ticket holders gained entrance. Again, that makes there ticketless fans argument irrelevant.

Er the police failed because they opened the gates, but only because there was a crush outside, and the Liverpool fans (some drunk, some not, some without tickets some with) piled in. Then pushed into one pen even though it was full. When you are waiting for a tube, and the carriage gets full so you can't get through the door, do you pile in, or find another carriage?

[TheMaraudingDog]

LOL @ United having a minutes silence for the poor Italian that died yesterday with no mention of Hillsborough by the PA bloke.

[Friday's Legacy]

Kes does have a point here.

As someone who was going to lots of football at this time, it would be extremely unusual for a high profile game like this to be free from a fair few drunk fans, many more who whilst not drunk had had a few drinks before the match, fans who turned up late, fans who turned up without a ticket.

That was just how it was in that era. That's not to say that all of that amounts to Liverpool fans being to blame, but to suggest that none of the above was happening at this game is not really credible.

There is a huge amount of evidence that drunkenness was not a contributory factor to the disaster. That makes the point about there being "a fair few drunk fans" at the game irrelevant.

Fans did not turn up late by any definition. In fact, you could argue they turned up early. The tickets for this game advised fans to arrive 15 minutes before kick off. 15 minutes. The central pens at the Leppings Lane end were full to capacity by 2.10. The crush outside the ground started at around 1.50 and was critical by 2.20. Most of the people in the crush had arrived in Leppings Lane around 1.30. Who here things turning up at a ground an hour and half before kick off constitutes "late"?

Taylor found no evidence that ticketless fans were to blame. Indeed the Leppings Lane terrace, as a whole, was probably just under capacity, suggesting that only ticket holders gained entrance. Again, that makes there ticketless fans argument irrelevant.

Er the police failed because they opened the gates, but only because there was a crush outside, and the Liverpool fans (some drunk, some not, some without tickets some with) piled in. Then pushed into one pen even though it was full. When you are waiting for a tube, and the carriage gets full so you can't get through the door, do you pile in, or find another carriage?

The police should have directed the 2000 fans to the corners which were not full. Instead they all went down the tunnel which is the first thing you see coming through the gates.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Could the fans not direct themselves then?

Lemmings in the Leppings.

[Friday's Legacy]

Could the fans not direct themselves then?

Lemmings in the Leppings.

Cheap uneducated shot.

So many were let in at the same time that if you have a read of the witness statements, most of the fans were carried down the tunnel with their feet not touching the floor. Others went in the direction the crowd was taking them, and yes others hadn't a foggiest how to get to the corners. "Lord Justice Taylor concluded there was nothing exceptional, unusual or untoward in the fans’ behaviour that day. What was exceptional was the failure of the police operation at the Leppings Lane end, which was not fit to host such events and had been the subject of a major scare at the Tottenham v Wolves semi-final eight years earlier."

[postwhisperer]

quoting the taylor report doesnt really help an argument. load of bollox written to appease scousers frothing at the mouth for blood

[Friday's Legacy]

quoting the taylor report doesnt really help an argument. load of bollox written to appease scousers frothing at the mouth for blood

I'm sure neither you or the wum can be bothered, but if you took the time to watch/listen to the witness accounts of the events of that day you will see that that is an accurate statement of events.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Well you're hardly going to have queues of Scousers admitting to (tick applicable boxes)

Entrance without a ticket
Going to wrong section
Pushing from the back to get in
Fighting police who were trying to stop crush
Jumping over people to get in
etc etc

[AthleticoSpizz]

The WUM (by that I am sure you mean that loveable rouge TMD, the rapscallion that everybody on HNA loves) does have a cock-eyed point.

Whilst the Police remain at blame for their poor reactive decision making.

The cause remains with the folk that turned up without the tickets, and then took the mob-rule approach and rushed the ground.

The ground that they had no right to be in.

[postwhisperer]

quoting the taylor report doesnt really help an argument. load of bollox written to appease scousers frothing at the mouth for blood

I'm sure neither you or the wum can be bothered, but if you took the time to watch/listen to the witness accounts of the events of that day you will see that that is an accurate statement of events.

i never heard of this lord taylor guy besides this hillsbrough dohicky but not really someone i would call for a investigation.. his conclusion on how to prevent this in the future is laden with ill thought out beliefs which prove you cant really take it serious. other countries manage to stand without killing each other so makes most of his points moot.

[who are ya?]