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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 27 Apr 2012 11:42

Right - assuming the rains lay off a bit and there isn't too much disruption - here's tomorrow's Preview:

Fixtures Saturday 28th April
…as we're approaching the end of 11/12 season, thought I’d include plenty of mindless blathering about ups/downs and Play Offs.. (None of it ‘official’ I hasten to add, just in case I’ve written some unsubstantiated drivel – wouldn’t be the first time!) 8)

CONFS
Boreham Wood v Tonbridge Angels
Chelmsford v Woking
Dorchester v Bromley
Eastbourne Borough v Salisbury
Havant and W v Staines Town
Maidenhead Utd v Eastleigh
Sutton Utd v Farnborough
Thurrock v Hampton & Richmond
Truro City v Dartford
Welling v Basingstoke
Weston-S-Mare v Dover
- Up to the Conference National go Woking - with the Play Offs currently looking like 2nd placed Dartford v Sutton, Basingstoke or Chelmsford – and Welling in 3rd hosting the team finishing in 4th place (Sutton or Basingstoke)
- Play Off (2 legs) should be Wednesday 2nd /Friday 6th May – Final at Highest placed club on Sat May 13th.
- At the bottom Thurrock go down to Ryman Premier and then it gets complex. Presumably it ought to be four down since it is usually four up from STEP03. However the Blue Square sites’ round-up suggest it’s a three-way fight to stay up between Maidenhead, H& R and Havant. So that suggests that 4th bottom is a position of safety – meaning Magpies MUST win vs Eastleigh and hope the Hawks don’t beat Staines. Beavers only escape should they win at relegated ‘Furrock’ and Maidenhead lose or draw and Havant lose.
Need to go and find out why its only three down now…….


ISTH1S
Godalming Town v Eastbourne Town
- Promoted: any one of Whitehawk (nr Brighton) , Dulwich H or Bognor. G’s (Godalming) need a point to finish 5th to go to one of those in the Play Offs – or they could be pipped for a Play-off spot by Maidstone Utd who host Bognor tomorrow.
- Whyteleafe probably drop to CCL; Burgess Hill most likely to Sussex League but gradings/FA reprieves etc may be a factor.
- Elsewhere in the Ryman: From the Premier ‘ricay are promoted to CONFS. Play Off places include Hornchurch, Lowestoft, Wealdstone & Bury Town – Lewes and Hendon still with an outside chance.
- Down to STEP04 go Horsham, Tooting & M., Aveley – & possibly Leatherhead – bit tricky here 'cos these are obviously three South and only 1 North – so a bit of juggling between the Ryman One constitutions will be needed close season.
- In One North Leiston could finish top at the first attempt but may get overtaken by Enfield Town.
- Waiting for whoever finishes 2nd in the Play Offs are Needham Market, Grays & Tilbury
- Relegated to the Essex/Eastern Counties/South Mids Leagues are probably Great Wakering and Ware or Ilford.


SOUTHP
AFC Totton v Bedford Town
Bashley v Hemel Hempstead Town
Brackley Town v St. Albans City
Cambridge City v Swindon Supermarine
Chippenham Town v Arlesey Town
Cirencester Town v Banbury United
Frome Town v Stourbridge
Hitchin Town v Oxford City
Leamington v Chesham United
- Brackley Town promoted to CONFS. Play Offs: perm from any 5 in any positions 2nd thru 5th from Oxford City, Chesham, Totton, Cambridge City or Stourbridge– separated by only 3 pts.
- At the bottom Cirencester are down most likely Supermarine next with the worst GD then any two from Arlesey, Banbury, Hemel or Evesham.

SOUTH1C
Ashford Town (Middx) v St. Neots Town
Barton Rovers v Chertsey Town
Beaconsfield SYCOB v Daventry Town
Burnham v AFC Hayes
Chalfont St. Peter v Fleet Town
Leighton Town v Northwood
North Greenford United v Aylesbury
Rugby Town v Marlow
Uxbridge v Bedfont Town
Woodford United v Slough Town
- St Neots promoted. Play Offs : as it stands now - Sluff definitely finish 2nd play @ ‘home’ vs Beaconsfield, Uxbridge or Northwood – Bedworth in 3rd vs 4th placed (Beaconsfield or Uxbridge)
- relegated to STEP05 are Fleet Town (Wessex or CCL?) & Marlow (Hellenic) – Marlow may get off the bottom should they win @ Rugby and Fleet lose at Chalfont. Could be important should there be any end of season reprieves due to events elsewhere and the FA need look at Points Per Game of those in relegation places. Be very surprised if Marlow escaped, as they’ve been bottom more or less all season but have clawed their way back to within 3 points of Fleet with 9 pts from their last 6 games. More of football’s little ironies – the one they lost in the last 6 was a 0-1 8th minute of injury time sickener H v Aylesbury two weeks ago, following three 0-0’s – whereas last week they themselves won in the 97th minute!

SOUTH1S&W
Bridgwater Town v Didcot Town
Clevedon Town v Cinderford Town
Gosport Borough v Bishops Cleeve
Halesowen Town v Taunton Town
Hungerford Town v North Leigh
Poole Town v Bideford
Thatcham Town v Wimborne Town
Tiverton Town v Abingdon United
Yate Town v Sholing
- promoted Bideford at the first attempt : PlayOffs: Poole and/or Gosport vs Sholing and/or Hungerford – 2nd & 3rd and 4th & 5th can swap after tomorrow’s results.
- Relegated Stoorport Swifts - only one relegation place due to Andover folding at the start of the season.


CCLP
Camberley Town v Windsor
Chessington & Hook United v Hanworth Villa
Dorking v Badshot Lea
Egham Town v Farnham Town
Guildford City v Molesey
Horley Town v Sandhurst Town
Wembley v Raynes Park Vale
CCL1
Cobham v South Kilburn
Guernsey v Spelthorne Sports
Hartley Wintney v Farleigh Rovers
- Promoted from Premier : Guildford City to Isthmian One South
- Relegated not sure how many – could be three: Banstead, Mole Valley and one of Chessington, Dorking or Colliers Wood. Replaced from One by Guernsey, Bedfont Sports and Hartley Wintney
- New in to Div One – only rumours but Epsom Athletic applied (groundshare at Chessington & Hook) – and there may be one or two others from the Surrey County leagues. Dorking Wanderers were also said to be trying to switch from the Sussex as were Rayners Lane currently in the Hellenic East.


HELLP
HELL1E
HELL1W
… all leagues completed

Cup games tomorrow :
Challenge Cup Semi-Final: Binfield v Headington Amateurs – Final at Newbury’s Faraday Rd on B/H Monday 7th May – Highworth await the winners.
Supplementary Cup FINAL @ Didcot Town’s Loop Meadow Stadium: Reading Town v Highmoor/IBIS
Reading Senior Cup Semi-Final: Flackwell Heath XI v Wokingham & Emmbrook - other semi date/venue tba is Highmoor/IBIS v Woodley Town - Final sometime in May at MadStad - I think.


- Champions Nomads are ineligible (probably on constitutional grounds in that they are the junior/feeder/’reserve’ club of Oxford City) ?)
- Shortwood who finished 2nd in the Premier may go up to the Southern league – depends on the FA’s actions elsewhere and how they compare to other 2nd placed clubs applying for promotion where the STEP05 champions may have been ineligible or not ready.
This was posted on the official Hellenic site;
'The Wood' can only be considered for promotion if there are less than 12 Champion
Clubs from the 14 Step 5 Leagues. At this time six of the Champions are known and all
have the required grading, Guildford City, Wroxham, Witham Town, Herne Bay, Royston
Town, Winchester City.

- Relegated Bracknell :cry: and Fairford – Demoted Henley Town :cry: – one of the first two may get reprieved but not really sure how – the general view is that Fairford’s luck has run out when it comes to avoiding relegation.
- Promoted from One East - Highmoor and Newbury: West – Winterbourne Utd. Trowbridge Town are returning to the Wiltshire leagues – Milton Utd despite some rumours are adamant they are NOT dropping to North Berks.


WESSP
Alton Town v Romsey Town
WESS1
Fleet Spurs v Team Solent
Stockbridge v Tadley Calleva
- Winchester City promoted to Southern League; down go Laverstock (nr Salisbury) and maybe one other - currently the next 6 sides are separated by 3 points. Possibly dependent on Fleet dropping down from Southern League or not?
- Promoted from One are Verwood Town and AFC Portchester.
- No news on any possible new clubs in from Dorset/Hants etc – history suggests you have to be in a fairly desperate state to leave the Wessex – though Warminster are rumoured to be transferring to the Western League – they were a bit out on a limb once Shaftesbury left last year.


... as ever no real idea where to go tomorrow - rain dodging most likely - may have one or two offspring in tow - so food, journey length and comfort might be a premium - likely candidates:
South Mids Prem: London Tigers v Aylesbury Utd - being played at Haringey FC - Coles Pk nr White Hart Lane (Spuds are at home on Sunday)
Western Prem: Hallen v Wells
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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Tony Le Mesmer » 27 Apr 2012 11:49

4oc, 6 teams are promoted from Step 3. 2 from each of Ryman, Southern and Northern. And they wonder why they have a problem with too many southern teams at step 2! Its always been 3 down from Conf S & N since the restructure.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 27 Apr 2012 11:57

Tony Le Mesmer 4oc, 6 teams are promoted from Step 3. 2 from each of Ryman, Southern and Northern. And they wonder why they have a problem with too many southern teams at step 2! Its always been 3 down from Conf S & N since the restructure.


...thanks - knew it was an easy answer - in my defence I've never been that drawn to STEP01/02 so don't pay that much attention to it :? - still a bit more hope for Magpies then - if York Rd dries out. :|

Quick look at CONFN does suggest there's a few too many 'southern' clubs bobbing around - really does tend to f£ck up the constitutions at STEP03 - handling southern clubs relegated from the CONFN - got an idea much lower down there's a lot of Northern clubs who opt NOT to get promotion - hence the southwardly drift of the line between N & S.

Would fully expect to see Lowestoft or even Bury Town (St Edmunds) be chucked in the CONFN this time round then - fairly sure Gloucester would like to come back the other way - would improve their financial state what with a possible new ground on the horizon.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Terminal Boardom » 27 Apr 2012 12:15

Which is why there has to be a sensible reorganisation of the non league structure. When you consider the following:

Step 1 - 1 Division
Step 2 - 2 Divisions
Step 3 - 3 Divisions
Step 4 - 6 Divisions
Step 5 - 14 Divisions

It is clear that there is an imbalance. Now, if they were to restructure thus:

Step 1 - 1 Division
Step 2 - 2 Divisions
Step 3 - 4 Divisions
Step 4 - 8 Divisions
Step 5 - 16 Divisions

Bottlenecks and anomolies are removed.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by floyd__streete » 27 Apr 2012 12:55

Terminal Boardom Bottlenecks are removed.


Alan Partridge will be delighted.


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 28 Apr 2012 17:47

Quick summary (my Tea's ready! :lol: )

Magpies win 4-3 - score on 91' but Havant win 3-2 vs Staines - their winner also in injury time - so Maidenhead are down. :(

Sluff's game was postponed - so will need to be rescheduled pretty sharpish if they don't want to put the Play Offs out of synch.

RTFC claim the Supp Cup beating HIghmoor 4-3 @ Didcot.


Windsor win 3-1 at Cambo and Guildford's championship party was well and truly pooped by Molesey who won 5-2! :shock:


... will round up the rest later and try and unravel the Play Off picture too.
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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by AthleticoSpizz » 28 Apr 2012 18:02

and Basingstoke in the play-offs courtesy of their draw at Dover and the, therefore irrelevent "City of Chelmsford" defeat.


Thanks (as usual) for another informative NL season 4oC

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Four Of Clubs » 28 Apr 2012 19:28

AthleticoSpizz Thanks (as usual) for another informative NL season 4oC


... and thanks for thanks - though its not quite over .... 'til the fat Lady etc etc ... - she's gargling at the moment (or should that perhaps be gurgling :? )

Here's today's matches that were played - surprisingly a lot more than expected - I think a lot of clubs thought 'sod it - end of season; play anyway'

- though there were a few notable postponements about where play Offs were likely to be affected and in the CCLP where relegation issues are very much alive....

Results 120428
CONFS
Boreham Wood 4-2 Tonbridge Angels
Chelmsford 2-3 Woking
Dorchester 1-1 Bromley
Eastbourne Borough 1-3 Salisbury
Havant and W 3-2 Staines Town
Maidenhead Utd 4-3 Eastleigh – 2-0 up 2-3 down (briefly) winner on 91’ - all to no avail: H&W's late winner v Staines sends them down with Thurrock & Hampton & R.
Sutton Utd 2-0 Farnborough
Thurrock 0-2 Hampton & Richmond
Truro City 1-1 Dartford
Welling 1-1 Basingstoke
Weston-S-Mare 1-1 Dover

Play Offs (2 Legs)
1st Leg Wed 2nd May
Basingstoke v Dartford
Sutton Utd v Welling
2nd Legs Sun 6th May
FINAL Sun 13th May @ highest placed club



ISTH1S
Godalming Town 4-2 Eastbourne Town – G's finish 5th
Play Off S-Fs Tue 1st May
Bognor Regis v Godalming
Dulwich v Folkestone
Final on Sun 6th May @ highest placed club


SOUTHP
AFC Totton PP Bedford Town
Bashley 2-0 Hemel Hempstead Town
Brackley Town 6-0 St. Albans City
Cambridge City 1-1 Swindon Supermarine
Chippenham Town 1-1 Arlesey Town
Cirencester Town 1-3 Banbury United
Frome Town 1-1 Stourbridge
Hitchin Town 0-3 Oxford City - secured 2nd place and home advantage but their opponents are as yet not confirmed due to PPonement @ Totton see PO below
Leamington 3-2 Chesham United
Play Off S-Fs tbc AFC Totton could dislodge Stourbridge with a point in the re-arranged final game at home to Bedford on Tuesday – a win would put them above both Chesham & Cambridge City into 3rd place so nothing can be decided
FINAL provisionally set for Mon 7th May @ highest placed club


SOUTH1C
Ashford Town (Middx) 0-2 St. Neots Town
Barton Rovers PP Chertsey Town
Beaconsfield SYCOB 1-2 Daventry Town
Burnham 1-1 AFC Hayes
Chalfont St. Peter 2-2 Fleet Town
Leighton Town 5-2 Northwood
North Greenford United PP Aylesbury
Rugby Town 1-0 Marlow
Uxbridge 5-1 Bedfont Town
Woodford United PP Slough Town

Play Off S-Fs
Tue 1st May Bedworth v Uxbridge
TBC Slough v Beaconsfield Slough have to play their last league game @ Woodford on Tuesday now - nothing else changes so would guess the PO match to be Thursday - no complex travel to sort out cos they are at 'home' vs their own landlords.
FINAL provisionally set for Mon 7th May @ highest placed club


SOUTH1S&W
Bridgwater Town 3-2 Didcot Town
Clevedon Town 0-2 Cinderford Town
Gosport Borough 2-1 Bishops Cleeve
Halesowen Town 0-1 Taunton Town
Hungerford Town 3-6 North Leigh 0-4 @ HT :shock: – just as well there was nothing on this game.
Poole Town 3-1 Bideford
Thatcham Town 3-2 Wimborne Town
Tiverton Town 0-0 Abingdon United
Yate Town 1-1 Sholing
Play Off S-Fs
Mon 30th April Gosport Boro v Sholing
Tue 1st May Poole v Hungerford
FINAL Mon 7th May @ highest placed club



CCLP
Camberley Town 1-3 Windsor
Chessington & Hook United PP Hanworth Villa
Dorking PP Badshot Lea
Egham Town 1-1 Farnham Town
Guildford City 2-5 Molesey
Horley Town 2-2 Sandhurst Town
Wembley 2-4 Raynes Park Vale
- Final relegation place cannot be decided –as three of the sides involved had their matches postponed Fri & Sat – one of them, Colliers Wood Utd, groundshare at present at Cobham who also had their game called off today in Div One. CWU need to find a venue for their last game (H v Epsom) sharpish midweek – they are also due to play vs Div One Champs Guernsey in the league Cup Final @ Cherrywood Rd (Farnborough) this Friday
CCL1
Cobham PP South Kilburn
Guernsey 2-0 Spelthorne Sports
Hartley Wintney 5-2 Farleigh Rovers

HELLENIC Cup games :
Challenge Cup Semi-Final: Binfield PP Headington Amateurs – re-scheduled for Mon 30th April
Final at Newbury’s Faraday Rd on B/H Monday 7th May – Highworth await the winners.
Supplementary Cup FINAL @ Didcot Town’s Loop Meadow Stadium: Reading Town 4-3 Highmoor/IBIS – att 244
Reading Senior Cup Semi-Final: Flackwell Heath XI PP Wokingham & Emmbrook – resched for next Sat 5th May – no news on the other semi – scheduled for today Woodley v Highmoor/IBIS – the latter would have had trouble fulfilling this fixture as their Reserves were also in action in the RSL.
Will dig around…..


WESSP
Alton Town 1-2 Romsey Town – Alton finish 10th possibly their highest finish for some time
WESS1
Fleet Spurs PP Team Solent
Stockbridge 2-1 Tadley Calleva
- Seems to be a fair number of ‘dregs’ around the Fixture list to finish the season in Wessex Premier (6 matches) & Div One (4 matches) but no news yet as to when they will be played – more than likely hastily re-arranged for this midweek. Very nearly a wipeout on the IoW – all four clubs scheduled to be at home on the last w/e – only Cowes Sports managed to play (L0-3 vs Pewsey Vale) – much to the relief of a ‘hopper’ posting news from there earlier today and seeing his choices disappear beneath the deluge.

... my mate shunned the doubtless fiery fare on offer at the Loop and we headed down the free-flowing M4 to WESTP Hallen 2-1 Wells City. Not a great game and the bar, though open, wasn't serving anything at HT (no staff :evil: )

Will keep the thread 'going' for a while yet, until all the Play Offs have been resolved - I doubt if many of you (other than myself and perhaps AP) are 'hardcore' enough to want to know about the last couple of weeks worth of the NBerks or EBerks leagues - which aren't officially due to finish til 12th May. :wink:

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by paultheroyal » 28 Apr 2012 20:49

Well done Basingstoke, more football to follow :lol:

That manager at Maidenhead continually interviewed by Ady Williams sounds like a right Belmont.


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by paultheroyal » 28 Apr 2012 20:50

PS TOP WORK FOR A GREAT THREAD FOUR OF CLUBS.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by paultheroyal » 28 Apr 2012 20:52

AthleticoSpizz Basingstoke sacking one of their best managers..... getting delusions of being a Chelsea?

mmm..... Jason Bristow

wasn't he once a Reading fringe player?


Terrible decision that :lol:

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by AthleticoSpizz » 28 Apr 2012 21:05

nice of you to come on now with that piece of witticism

The "belmont" that you are referring to is "drax" Johnson Hippolyte....recall him from somewhere?

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Terminal Boardom » 29 Apr 2012 10:51

Maidenhead's demise was greeted with huge delight at Windsor FC's presentation evening last night. A fantastic evening where I did not get home until about 2.30 this morning.

Manager's Player of the Year - Ryan O'Toole with 43 goals (41 league) and also wins the CCL Premier Division Golden Boot.
Player's Player of the Year - Joe Chandiram. One of the most consistent and reliable players at the club.
Supporter's Club Player of the Year - Ryan O'Toole.

To consider that after 5 games we had 6 points and Guildford were top with 15, the remainder of the season has been excellent. To finish on 96 points, score 124 goals, have a GD of +80 and finish 16 points clear of third placed Egham Town, plus throw in a cup semi-final, and average 244 for home league games is a fantastic achievement.

Next season is eagerly awaited. The CCL Premier is no longer an unknown quantity and if we can keep the squad and add 2 or 3 players, next season could be even better.

To FoC, many many thanks for all your brilliant updates this season. I know the season is not over yet but credit where it is due. And to everyone else who has commented on NL Football, thanks as well :P


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Ark Royal » 30 Apr 2012 01:34

Thanks to everyone - especially FoC, Terminal C unt...sorry, Boardom and Royal Rother - for making this thread a must-read thread every day of the season. Looking forward to paying a visit to Stag Meadow on my next trip over the pond.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Alan Partridge » 30 Apr 2012 09:07

Ark Royal Thanks to everyone - especially FoC, Terminal C unt...sorry, Boardom and Royal Rother - for making this thread a must-read thread every day of the season. Looking forward to paying a visit to Stag Meadow on my next trip over the pond.


They will probably be AFC Windsor by then.

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by floyd__streete » 30 Apr 2012 09:55

Terminal Boardom Maidenhead's demise was greeted with huge delight at Windsor FC's presentation evening last night.


Well, we didn't overspend on players with money we don't have but have therefore never gone bankrupt and ended up playing in an overblown pub league 8) .

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royalist » 30 Apr 2012 10:13

Maidenhead's demise? Do you mean relegation. I'm sure they didn't bat an eyelid when Windsor folded.

Wonder how much money was put in to pay wages this season. Self sustainable? Not a chance! :|

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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Royal Rother » 30 Apr 2012 10:22

I bear the Magpies no ill will whatsoever but I have to say the AP / FS double-act does result in a little smirk at their relegation.

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Re: Non - League thread 2010/11

by Royal Rother » 30 Apr 2012 10:28

July 2011 - floyd__streete Maidenhead 3-1 Dagenham

Maiders looked very impressive tonight...

Optimistic for a good season at York Road. Certainly more exciting than the prospects at Reading, anyway.


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Re: Non - League thread 2011/12

by Tony Le Mesmer » 30 Apr 2012 10:49

Getting Relegated > Financial Doping

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