TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

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Re: The new owner

by RoyalBlue » 19 Aug 2012 19:01

Once were Biscuitmen
RoyalBlue Mrs Z has her own website:

http://www.katsiazingarevich.com/

You can also join her fan club - perhaps a more attractive membership proposition than STAR! :wink:


Are there secret meetings twice a season?

In if so.


I guess you could try and have a secret meeting with her - but you'd be in deep shyte if you ever told anyone about it!

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RoyalBlue Mrs Z has her own website:

http://www.katsiazingarevich.com/

You can also join her fan club - perhaps a more attractive membership proposition than STAR! :wink:


I just hit it, hit it, and hit it again! She is something else. The bastard!


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Re: The new owner

by larry1971 » 19 Aug 2012 19:02

EPR Can anyone explain to me the need for 17 pitches? :shock:

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can you just imagine having to cut all those pitches if all you had was an ordinary garden lawn mower...

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Re: The new owner

by Norfolk Royal » 19 Aug 2012 20:44

Or just a pair of scissors, oh my days.

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Re: The new owner

by Dare to Dr£am » 19 Aug 2012 20:59

Or a pair of tweezers? Nightmare.

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Re: The new owner

by Stuboo » 19 Aug 2012 21:22

Dare to Dr£am
RoyalBlue Mrs Z has her own website:

http://www.katsiazingarevich.com/

You can also join her fan club - perhaps a more attractive membership proposition than STAR! :wink:


I just hit it, hit it, and hit it again! She is something else. The bastard!


She's surely the most glamorous thing we've had at the club since, err, Cilla Black. :)


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Re: The new owner

by Elm Park » 20 Aug 2012 11:33

Stuboo
Dare to Dr£am
RoyalBlue Mrs Z has her own website:

http://www.katsiazingarevich.com/

You can also join her fan club - perhaps a more attractive membership proposition than STAR! :wink:


I just hit it, hit it, and hit it again! She is something else. The bastard!


She's surely the most glamorous thing we've had at the club since, err, Cilla Black. :)


Don't forget we've got Royal Lady as well.

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Re: The new owner

by Fox Talbot » 20 Aug 2012 11:59

^^^^ Swapsies then?

Possible cash adjustment needed??

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Re: The new owner

by HoneyRoastHoax » 20 Aug 2012 12:02

Katsia > Cilla black

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Re: The new owner

by Still Hate Futcher! » 20 Aug 2012 13:19

HoneyRoastHoax Katsia > Cilla black


Reckon you're in the minority there - perhaps someone should do a poll.


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Re: The new owner

by royal_cornwall » 21 Aug 2012 12:14

EPR Can anyone explain to me the need for 17 pitches? :shock:

That's iike, 374 people playing football at once.


In Wet shams case thats 340 attackers playing football against 34 keepers.

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Royal Lady » 21 Aug 2012 13:30

When I was on the official site just now, I noticed that the 4 directors of TSI are given as Anton, Andrew Obelensky, Chris Samuelson and John Samuelson. Presume John is related to Chris, but I'd never heard his name mentioned with regard to the directors before. :|

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Alexander Litvinenko » 21 Aug 2012 13:42

So what's happened to Nigel Howe?

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by MouldyRoyal » 21 Aug 2012 13:46

Director of RFC as a subsidiary company to TSI.


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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Alexander Litvinenko » 21 Aug 2012 13:50

This is what it says now :

"Reading Football Club is 51% owned by Thames Sports Investment Ltd, and 49% owned by Reading Football Club Holdings Ltd. Thames Sports Investment Ltd has four directors: Anton Zingarevich, Chris Samuelson, Andrew Obolensky and John Samuelson. Reading Football Club Holdings Ltd has two directors: Sir John Madejski and Ian Wood-Smith."

Fair enough on the NH point, but very odd that the RFC website gives the names of the directors of the two companies that own RFC, but not the names of the directors of RFC itself! :?:

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 21 Aug 2012 22:06

I received a bit of stick on here when I first mentioned that Boris Zingarevich was also involved, was a billionaire (and three times over), and had to take part in the Fit and Proper Persons Test. It's still not clear if his money has been used, if he's involved in any way, or will be at a later date; but he's been cleared to do so if he and Anton so wish.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/davi ... CMP=twt_gu

Reading's promotion under the new ownership of Anton Zingarevich has meant that this season a majority, 11 of the 20 Premier League clubs, are owned by overseas individuals, with several, such as "the Royals", now held ultimately in tax havens. Reading, formed in 1871 at a public meeting in the town's Bridge Street Rooms, are owned by Anton, the 30-year old son of the St Petersburg-based pulp and paper billionaire Boris Zingarevich, via Thames Sports Investments (TSI), registered in Gibraltar.

Siting the shares of companies, including football clubs, in offshore locations such as Gibraltar or the Cayman Islands (the Glazer family's newly registered base for Manchester United) means owners avoid UK capital gains tax and stamp duty, when they sell the shares at a profit in the future. Such havens also offer to investors a guarantee of secrecy, about who owns or is involved in companies registered in them. John Christensen, a director of Tax Justice Network, which campaigns against the vast draining of money from tax-paying countries such as Britain, says tax havens should more justifiably be known as "secrecy jurisdictions".

The key figure at Reading in enabling the sale by the outgoing owner, Sir John Madejski, to Zingarevich, agreed in January and finally approved by the Football and Premier Leagues in May, was Christopher Samuelson, a veteran manager of funds in offshore locations. Samuelson is a director of Mutual Trust SA, an investment firm based in Switzerland, which also operates a low tax regime and long tradition of secrecy about banking and financial ownership. On its website,, undergoing reconstruction, Mutual Trust carried the assurance: "Our challenge is to provide our clients with their fundamental rights to privacy of their information and to protect their assets from attack and confiscation … We will not use jurisdictions that do not respect and uphold the fundamental right of clients of confidentiality. Your information is safe in our hands, for always."

Given the intense scrutiny as the game's profile has soared, and the clubs' continuing claims to be at the heart of their local communities, more information about ownership is now revealed than about companies operating less in the public eye. Madejski, who made his own fortune in printing and with the Auto Trader second-hand car catalogue, had long been looking to remove himself from the financial burden of owning a club whose new stadium he built 14 years ago. In the year to June 30 2011, the latest for which accounts are available, Reading made a £5m loss in the Championship and Madejski had personally loaned the club £26m.

Samuelson was approached to see if he could find a buyer and finally he concluded a deal with echoes of the mooted one for Everton in 2004. Then, Anton Zingarevich, 21 at the time, was involved in talks to take over the club, with the money to come from a fund managed by Samuelson based in Brunei. Boris Zingarevich, an industrialist who his representatives say has built a paper company, Ilim, from scratch over 20 years, rather than becoming a billionaire through favourable state sales of assets, like Russia's oligarchs, said he was not interested in English football.

This time Samuelson did deliver a deal to buy Reading, and both Madejski and Samuelson's TSI vehicle have been open about the terms of the deal. TSI bought 51% of the club for £12.7m, and has an option to buy the other 49% for £12.3m. That is £25m to buy a well-run club with a new stadium, now in the Premier League. The deal was one in an increasing tendency for overseas buyers to target clubs in the Championship, where they pay less than for those in the Premier League, and aim to grasp a financial jackpot if they win promotion. Leicester City, bought by the owners of the King Power duty free franchise in Thailand; Cardiff City, owned by Malaysian investors, and Nottingham Forest, bought this summer by the Kuwaiti Al Hasawi family, are in the vanguard of that process.

Madejski agreed his sale, at what many believe is a bargain price for the club he rebuilt, with Reading still in the Championship; he completed for the same figure despite Brian McDermott's side triumphantly claiming promotion, although Samuelson has said Madejski was paid a £5m bonus.

After sundry mishaps, collapses and scandals, both the Premier League and Football League have developed new rules and procedures before approving new owners, and the Football League led the four-month process at Reading. The requirements for owners and directors of clubs, formerly known as the "fit and proper person test", are that anybody on the board or owning more than 30% of a club must not have unspent criminal convictions for dishonesty, be bankrupt or have been involved in the insolvency of two football clubs since 2004. Both leagues now also require proof that the money is there, as committed, to buy the club, and to see a business plan which shows the club will be able to remain solvent and fulfil its fixtures for the season ahead. Both leagues now employ corporate intelligence companies to gather information, mostly from public sources and press coverage, about prospective owners. The Premier League also makes inquiries of the Home Office and Foreign Office to ask whether the government has relevant information about prospective owners.

At Reading increased scrutiny was prompted by the collapse of Portsmouth, where the owner from 2005, Sacha Gaydamak, a Russian in his 20s, always denied his billionaire father, Arkady was involved or had provided the funds. Anton Zingarevich, who has repeatedly described owning Reading as "a dream", and pledged to run the club responsibly, has said the funds to pay Madejski came from "family money".

Artem Savko, a spokesman for Ilim, Boris Zingarevich's pulp and paper firm, : "Ilim has nothing to do with Reading, nor football," and a source close to Zingarevich said he has nothing to do with the Reading acquisition. Anton is understood to be involved on the construction side of his father's personal businesses, and not to work at Ilim in any capacity.

Ultimately the Football League took the view that the millions for Anton to pay Madejski via Samuelson's Gibraltar vehicle could not wholly be separated from his billionaire father. So Boris Zingarevich, while not a director of the club or TSI, was required to certify his suitability under the owners and directors test, which applies to anybody who could be said to exercise "control" over a club. Samuelson, and Andrew Obolensky, a director of TSI, have also been certified.

Samuelson's son John is the other director on the board of TSI. "The Premier League's financial criteria seek to ensure responsible and sustainable ownership," a league spokesman said, explaining that it is examining whether further regulations are required. "Each club's ownership model is compliant with UK company law."

That is true. The clubs, as ever, reflect their times and country, in which so much is up for sale and use of offshore havens to avoid tax has become routine.

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by urz13 » 21 Aug 2012 22:44

In an interview tonight he said he wanted to make Reading one of the top 10 'financial powers' in English football. At least I think he said English - it might have been 'world football' :shock:

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 21 Aug 2012 22:49

urz13 In an interview tonight he said he wanted to make Reading one of the top 10 'financial powers' in English football. At least I think he said English - it might have been 'world football' :shock:


Within five years yes, and I think it was in English football. He certainly thinks big. Lets just hope he shows patience in Brian and the coaching staff in getting us there, and doesn't panic if we hit a winless patch of 6-7 games at some point.

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Wuzzy87 » 22 Aug 2012 09:41

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urz13 In an interview tonight he said he wanted to make Reading one of the top 10 'financial powers' in English football. At least I think he said English - it might have been 'world football' :shock:


Within five years yes, and I think it was in English football. He certainly thinks big. Lets just hope he shows patience in Brian and the coaching staff in getting us there, and doesn't panic if we hit a winless patch of 6-7 games at some point.


It sounds unreal - but depending on how UEFA/FIFA/the FA handle the penalties for Financial Fair Play. We could be one of the top teams ( top 8 ) in England.
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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by ZacNaloen » 22 Aug 2012 10:09

As long as Antons money (assuming it's not bank borrowed) is used to pay for the infrastructure, and then Hammond does his job on the transfers/contracts and the fan base etc grows well it could well be possible to reach that level without worrying about financial fair play at all.


Fingers crossed eh?


The big mistake that a lot of clubs make is that they spend all their investors money on the playing squad and immediately. This shouldn't be necessary, there is no need to go chasing success straight away and build up a debt.

5-7 years seems a believable time period to build a strong squad over time, prudently, and stabilise in the league.


Assuming we don't judge it wrong this year and end up relegated.

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Re: TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

by Royal Lady » 22 Aug 2012 10:53

FL - do you know where John Samuelson fits into all this then? :| As I said, I've never heard his name mentioned before with regard to TSI and can only assume he is a relative of Chris Samuelson.

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