The Gr8 Keeper Deb8

[yuuichi]

Has everyone forgot the game McCarthy had against Man city?

Aguero and co. would have put 5 past us if it weren't for MCCARTHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mGhAP5UmOY

Would Federici do that this season against Man city? I think not

[yuuichi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP9hJACg3eo

[Hoop Blah]

I don't think it was to the extent that feds has been criticised, nor do I recall chants against him during games. Also I would wager that every other one of our strikers has made as many mistakes costing goals/points as Feds has.

It is not a level playing field - dish out golden boots but how often do you hear about golden glove awards? GKU

Sorry, but you're wrong here RoyalBlue. Long came in for a lot more criticism than Federici has so far. Not only did he get a load of negative comment on here but he even started getting stick at games.

I think he even got boo'd at some point, although that might've been just a small minority. There were a lot of moans and groans in the ground, so much so that it was commented on by McDermott and Long.

Keepers do get grief, but they also get a lot of glory too (not as much as the forwards of course). We've been lucky that we've generally had pretty sound keepers over the last 10-15 years so they've nto copped a lot from Reading fans.

[WeAreReadingFc]

Bring on McCarthy

[moonwalklikebas]

Erm... there is a golden glove award and has been for several years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Le ... lden_Glove

[Ian Royal]

I think a further 2 games is fair enough but it's a difficult call as by dropping him you would totally shoot any confidence he has left. What happens then if McCarthy has a poor start?

It's not as if he's an unknown quantity, we know he has it in him, he's just having a bad run. I can't see what gimps slagging him off hope to achieve though, if they think Federici or Brian aren't away that his performances haven't been great, they're living in dreamland. Vocally criticising him can only possibly make things worse so what on earth are these bellends thinking of?

If dropping him breaks him, then he needs to retire or drop down the league because he isn't good enough to be a Prem keeper in that case. If he's any good mentally, it'll kick him up the arse and make him come back stronger. You can't pick a player in poor form who's costing you goals and points because dropping them might make them cry.

If McCarthy's shit, we put Taylor in and recall Andersen / buy a new keeper.

Are you seriously suggesting McDermott won't drop a player because it might make them cry, do you really think that little of him?

He's picking Federici because he thinks he's our best keeper, when he no longer thinks that, he'll drop him. Plenty of outfield player have a run of poor form without being slung out and the faith shown in them can benefit them in the long run.

I like McCarthy but he doesn't have a lot of experience for a top flight keeper and I'm happy to back McDermott's judgement as to whether this is a blip for Federici or a long term confidence slump. He hasn't got a lot wrong so far as a manager.

No, I was using rhetoric to counter your rubbish point about it ruining him, not seriously suggesting McDermott wouldn't drop someone in case it might make them literall cry

[West Stand Man]

Ah, the old 'strikers are paid to score and goalkeepers are paid to stop goals' argument.

My recollection is that this is a team game where all 11 players work as a unit to score at one end and prevent the other lot scoring at the other. The striker is just the last link in the scoring chain (and should not always be needed) and the keeper is the last link in the defensive chain (and should not always be needed).

Federici is part of a unit that has not performed at the best of its ability this season, yet. He may or may not be culpable for one or more of the goals.
Is he ready for the scrap heap - no.
Is he ready to be dropped and rested - only the manager will know the final answer to that.
I suspect they have had a couple of heart to hearts on this and that BM will be absolutely clear in his mind what the state of play is. He is very lucky to have 2 good keepers to fall back on if the need arises - which is part of the plan as he said he wanted 2 players in the squad for each position.

Keep the faith. This time last year we were in free fall down the Championship. HNA was full of doom and gloom about how we were doomed to L1 football in 2012/13. Most of the players were being slated as useless and not up to the Championship. The likelihood of quite such a turn round is low bordering on fictional but we have still got the makings of a good solid team here.

[Ian Royal]

And (this is not aimed at Hunt) a striker's job is to put the damn ball in the net. I have lost count of the numerous occassions our strikers have failed to perform that part of their role and god knows how many points their glaring failures have cost us over the years! However, with the notable exception of the likes of McIntyre and Church, I don't recall the failing strikers being subjected to the same type and level of public criticism and abuse as Feds. GKU

Errr... you don't???? Have you been living under a rock?
Shane Long was described as fat and useless.

I don't think it was to the extent that feds has been criticised, nor do I recall chants against him during games. Also I would wager that every other one of our strikers has made as many mistakes costing goals/points as Feds has.

It is not a level playing field - dish out golden boots but how often do you hear about golden glove awards? GKU

Er, a few months ago when Feds won it.

[Schards#2]

If dropping him breaks him, then he needs to retire or drop down the league because he isn't good enough to be a Prem keeper in that case. If he's any good mentally, it'll kick him up the arse and make him come back stronger. You can't pick a player in poor form who's costing you goals and points because dropping them might make them cry.

If McCarthy's shit, we put Taylor in and recall Andersen / buy a new keeper.

Are you seriously suggesting McDermott won't drop a player because it might make them cry, do you really think that little of him?

He's picking Federici because he thinks he's our best keeper, when he no longer thinks that, he'll drop him. Plenty of outfield player have a run of poor form without being slung out and the faith shown in them can benefit them in the long run.

I like McCarthy but he doesn't have a lot of experience for a top flight keeper and I'm happy to back McDermott's judgement as to whether this is a blip for Federici or a long term confidence slump. He hasn't got a lot wrong so far as a manager.

No, I was using rhetoric to counter your rubbish point about it ruining him, not seriously suggesting McDermott wouldn't drop someone in case it might make them literall cry

So you don't think dropping him after his first bad run of form in years would dent his confidence further?

Genius

[Extended-Phenotype]

Yeah, let's not drop players in case it hurts their feelings.

[TBM]

Aguero and co. would have put 5 past us if it weren't for MCCARTHY

Doubtful - Agüero didn't sign for Man City until the end of that season

[Stuboo]

I am still in the give Federici time camp, but if he makes serious blunders in the next two league games then it's probably best to drop him for a bit.

[windermere_royal]

I am still in the give Federici time camp, but if he makes serious blunders in the next two league games then it's probably best to drop him for a bit.

if he makes blunders that costs us points in those two games it could be the dropped points that pushes us over the edge, i know its still very early season, but he as already cost us a possible 4 points, its going to be hard to get to 40 as it is without this holding us back.

[Libertine]

Well last night wasn't an encouraging development. I wouldn't label them "howlers" but the 2 goals he let in were very soft, shots you'd expect him to deal with rather easily. Is he hurt? Is it just that his confidence is a bit shot right now? Is he thinking too much? I dunno. What I do know our chances of staying up are much better with a healthy and in form Adam Federici than any of the other options. Maybe the time off with the break will help. Though I may be grasping for straws.

[Extended-Phenotype]

I'd be happier with dropping his clanger ass now, but I'd not lose any sleep if we gave him the break to pull himself together and give him one more game to prove himself.

But let's not overly worry about his paid-millions-to-do-90-minutes-work-a-week, mercenary feelings.

[Stuboo]

My Dad is a Brentford fan and they had McCarthy on loan a couple of seasons back. He wasn't too impressed with him and Brentford sent him back to have Ben Hamer instead. I've since seen McCarthy play for us and been impressed by him, but I don't think we can be certain that swapping McCarthy for Feds now will be a better option. For that reason I think we should give Federici a bit more time to come good.

[melonhead]

I'd be happier with dropping his clanger ass now, but I'd not lose any sleep if we gave him the break to pull himself together and give him one more game to prove himself.

But let's not overly worry about his paid-millions-to-do-90-minutes-work-a-week, mercenary feelings.

its not caring about his feelings though is it.

its caring that his feelings about making these clangers, and then getting dropped could destroy him as a player, and hes our best keeper, and most saleable asset in that area
also if mcarthy comes in, and also doesnt playu well, what the oxf*rd do you do then

[Extended-Phenotype]

I'd be happier with dropping his clanger ass now, but I'd not lose any sleep if we gave him the break to pull himself together and give him one more game to prove himself.

But let's not overly worry about his paid-millions-to-do-90-minutes-work-a-week, mercenary feelings.

its not caring about his feelings though is it.

its caring that his feelings about making these clangers, and then getting dropped could destroy him as a player, and hes our best keeper, and most saleable asset in that area
also if mcarthy comes in, and also doesnt playu well, what the oxf*rd do you do then

Oh yeah, great point. May as well forget having a squad of players, no point ever making any changes as what if the new bloke is sh/t an' all?

Feds isn't sh/t, he's having a crisis. If you can't call on your backup when the first choice is struggling, what on earth is the point of having a backup?

[Woodcote Royal]

Exactly. It really isn't rocket.

If Federici can't cope with being dropped after costing us (lets be kind) 3pts in two matches and McCarthy is deemed not good enough to take over, WTF are either of them doing in our squad

[Schards#2]

Federici is in our squad because he is a proven top quality keeper, McCarthy is in our squad as he gives good cover in an emergency or injury situation.

Most level headed people do not think this is an emergency and Federici will return to form. There is history of goalkeepers being dropped after clangers being so short of confidence they are no use for months - Leighton/Beasant/Howie etc. Therefore, most level headed people don't thing it's a great idea to drop Federici at this point and risk leaving us with a keeper with no Premiership experience at all at the helm.