The Gr8 Keeper Deb8

[Schards#2]

Still not sure which would be more damaging to his confidence, being dropped now ("you're a great keeper, you know that, but things aren't quite right at the moment and you need some time to work it out of your system. You are a big boy and I'm sure you can take this on the chin just like any other player") or being picked for another game or two where he produces more mistakes to have nightmares about, costing us more points, earning himself more bad press, fan rage and player frustration, and then being dropped.

I genuinely don't understand people on here who think players in a squad game get "destroyed" if they are rotated. Is Le Fondre in bits right now? What about McCleary when Kebe comes back? Had Gunter been dropped after his penalty would we have found him floating face down in the Thames?

Retarded mindset.

There is, of course, the third option of playing him, and him not making any further mistakes thereby ensuring our first choice keeper does the job intended for the rest of the season.

A goalkeeper being dropped for reasons other than injury is unusual and is, therefore, not comparable to an outfielder being rotated. There is a history of keepers having their confidence shattered by this so there is the risk of our putting our first choice keeper out of the frame for months on the basis of a few mistakes and a failure to show any faith and belief but feel free to ignore this history if it gets in the way of your jerking knee.

Having seen all three games, Federici doesn't have the air of a walking calamity around him in the way that a Simon Sheppard had, he isn't flapping at crosses or spilling shots or giving the impression he's all over the place, in fact he had a good game for the last 70 minutes of the Peterborough game. The mistakes are out of context with the rest of his all round game so there's no reason to think he's lost the plot.

Going forward in this season without him, (as if he's dropped McCarthy would surely be given a decent run), is in my opinion, a higher risk strategy than giving Federici a few more games to find his feet.

[Seal]

Play him v Spurs.

If he plays well great, hopefully he's over the blip and we can all move on.

If he plays badly and / or costs us any more potential points, then I'm sure even he himself would understand he needed some time away from the 1st team.

Job done.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Still not sure which would be more damaging to his confidence, being dropped now ("you're a great keeper, you know that, but things aren't quite right at the moment and you need some time to work it out of your system. You are a big boy and I'm sure you can take this on the chin just like any other player") or being picked for another game or two where he produces more mistakes to have nightmares about, costing us more points, earning himself more bad press, fan rage and player frustration, and then being dropped.

I genuinely don't understand people on here who think players in a squad game get "destroyed" if they are rotated. Is Le Fondre in bits right now? What about McCleary when Kebe comes back? Had Gunter been dropped after his penalty would we have found him floating face down in the Thames?

Retarded mindset.

There is, of course, the third option of playing him, and him not making any further mistakes thereby ensuring our first choice keeper does the job intended for the rest of the season.

A goalkeeper being dropped for reasons other than injury is unusual and is, therefore, not comparable to an outfielder being rotated. There is a history of keepers having their confidence shattered by this so there is the risk of our putting our first choice keeper out of the frame for months on the basis of a few mistakes and a failure to show any faith and belief but feel free to ignore this history if it gets in the way of your jerking knee.

Having seen all three games, Federici doesn't have the air of a walking calamity around him in the way that a Simon Sheppard had, he isn't flapping at crosses or spilling shots or giving the impression he's all over the place, in fact he had a good game for the last 70 minutes of the Peterborough game. The mistakes are out of context with the rest of his all round game so there's no reason to think he's lost the plot.

Going forward in this season without him, (as if he's dropped McCarthy would surely be given a decent run), is in my opinion, a higher risk strategy than giving Federici a few more games to find his feet.

Honestly, I think what you are saying is totally fair, and of course there is a third scenario of which I have neglected.

However, I still think there rather a large amount of oversensitivity regarding dropping a keeper and it equating to such devastating, career denting effects. It would be equally fair of me to apply the same tack to your argument and put forward an alternative scenario of my own with regard to his relegation; that instead of destroying him as a player, it might motivate him to improve and fight for his place back, resolving his issues or even making him stronger (as with the majority of rotated players).

We all have our prophecies, but mine is not alone in being a touch one-tracked. A fourth possibility would be Feds is dropped, McCarthy steps in and turns out to be even better than Federici. The ‘Keep Feds’ argument seems to assume McCarthy is just as, if not more likely to blunder than Feds. That’s Just as much opinion as any other prediction, and that’s all we are offering here.

Dropping Feds at this moment is hardly a knee-jerk reaction to a single mistake. A series of blunders have occurred in back-to-back games and I think any rational individual would begin considering the options. Another game seems about fair, but I really don't agree that players are so fragile they cannot be dropped without serious risk to their future. If they are, then I really don't think they carry much value as a player. Man the f/ck up, work hard, improve and get back out there when you get the chance. Otherwise f/ck off and take up knitting or work in a shoe shop - not sure sport is for you.

[melonhead]

3 games. lol.

at least 1 more, if not two/three/four before its an issue requiring droppage.



imo of course, you bunch of anal polyps

[LoyalRoyalFan]

When this break is over he should come back and treat it like it's the start of the season. The break couldn't come at a better time for Feds and it will give him time to recover from any niggles he may have. If he is still struggling after a couple of games then by all means bring in Taylor and give him a break.

Taylor?

Bring in McCarthy - who is better than Federici as well.

oxf*rd LOL. On what basis? A handful of games that he played for us at a time when the defence were superb and he didn't have that much to do? What about his loan at Ipswich? Looked average at best. Not saying he won't be better in the future, but for now, no chance.

FWIW I think Andersen is better than McCarthy and will be our next number 1.

I seem to remember a 3-3 draw at Crystal Palace, where the defence were utter dog turd, it would have been 6-3 if McCarthy hadn't of been in goal. Get your head out of the sand.

[sandman]

As you've got such a great memory you'll also remember the 3 goals he let in against Forest, the two he conceded against a very poor M'boro side and the three goals he let in against a Sheffield United team that were relegated the following weekend. Unless it's the Blue Square he is still too raw for the Premier League. Taylor is the senior keeper and played well in the U21 game making some very good saves so he should get the nod if Feds is still struggling.

[andrew1957]

All keepers have bad patches. If Fed makes a howler every match in September I suspect he would be dropped but IMO there is no chance of him being dropped before October and nor should he be. I think it is far more likely that he will put in a couple of great performances next month and all the clamour for McCarthy to replace him will just go away.

Ridiculous overreaction by many on here as usual.

[Woodcote Royal]

To me, when he's himself, Federici is a very, very good keeper. Just to throw this out there, who do you think is better (at their peak) Federici or Hahnemann? They're much the same, to me.

Marcus was twice the 'keeper Federici will ever be..............................unless, of course, viewed through the eyes of Radio Berkshire's resident idiot.

[Madstad to Nadderud]

To me, when he's himself, Federici is a very, very good keeper. Just to throw this out there, who do you think is better (at their peak) Federici or Hahnemann? They're much the same, to me.

Marcus was twice the 'keeper Federici will ever be..............................unless, of course, viewed through the eyes of Radio Berkshire's resident idiot.

+1 but Federici's distribution is better than Hahnemann's as his kicking was woeful at the best of times i.e. he had this habit of booting the ball straight away upfield and often going out of one of the touchlines...very wasteful! Many supporters groaning 'why does he keep doing that?!' etc. Only Mr M has the answer to that one.

[melonhead]

when will idiots realise that the kick to the sideline is a calculated gamble instructed by the coaches.
it has a better chance of resulting in us getting the ball. either we get it, or we feign a jump, and the oppo put it out for our throw in.
been doing it for ages.

feds does it ffs

[Madstad to Nadderud]

when will idiots realise that the kick to the sideline is a calculated gamble instructed by the coaches.
it has a better chance of resulting in us getting the ball. either we get it, or we feign a jump, and the oppo put it out for our throw in.
been doing it for ages.

feds does it ffs

Great logic! Hardly works does it?! But as Lee Evans commented something about the mascots leading the players out on to the pitch because they don't know where it is. Sorry to be among the 'idiots' your Highness, I will just go back to my big, bumper book of tactics and consult BR when I get stuck (duh!!!!)

[Extended-Phenotype]

I miss the handbag emoticon on BBC606.

[Madstad to Nadderud]

You must have missed Doc Savage and Omar (the Liverpool fan) the last two weeks?

[melonhead]

when will idiots realise that the kick to the sideline is a calculated gamble instructed by the coaches.
it has a better chance of resulting in us getting the ball. either we get it, or we feign a jump, and the oppo put it out for our throw in.
been doing it for ages.

feds does it ffs

Great logic! Hardly works does it?! But as Lee Evans commented something about the mascots leading the players out on to the pitch because they don't know where it is. Sorry to be among the 'idiots' your Highness, I will just go back to my big, bumper book of tactics and consult BR when I get stuck (duh!!!!)

works 80% of the time.FACT
10% is when the oppo manage to keep it in themselves, 10% when the keeper kicks it too far and it goes out
better than hoofing up the middle of the pitch which is 50-50 at best

[Madstad to Nadderud]

when will idiots realise that the kick to the sideline is a calculated gamble instructed by the coaches.
it has a better chance of resulting in us getting the ball. either we get it, or we feign a jump, and the oppo put it out for our throw in.
been doing it for ages.

feds does it ffs

Great logic! Hardly works does it?! But as Lee Evans commented something about the mascots leading the players out on to the pitch because they don't know where it is. Sorry to be among the 'idiots' your Highness, I will just go back to my big, bumper book of tactics and consult BR when I get stuck (duh!!!!)

works 80% of the time.FACT
10% is when the oppo manage to keep it in themselves, 10% when the keeper kicks it too far and it goes out
better than hoofing up the middle of the pitch which is 50-50 at best

Nothing is 'FACT' until you show some statistical evidence to prove this, which even then is doubtful depending on the type of research and how and when it was conducted,type of institution/researchers, etc..etc. I never saw it work to our advantage every time Marcus did this, and that was a lot of games and over many seasons when he played, and he could have thrown the ball out to nearby defenders, who were screaming for the ball, but he chose to punt it out nearly every time. Actually, I can remember Stuart Beavon doing the same from the kick-off under Branfoot's reign, and every time he booted the ball out in to touch it basically provided no advantage whatsoever as it merely put the ball back in possession of the oppostion who went straight on the attack and basically RFC were pinned back from the off!

I will agree with the big punt down the middle as Marcus did this as well, but again no advantage gained as the ball often went straight to the opposition's goalie.

[melonhead]

you never saw us get the ball or a throw in when marcus did it?
he kicked it out nearly every time?



lol

[Madstad to Nadderud]

Can't remember us getting that, no. If you were sat where I was, and you may have been, the collective groan of 'here we go again' was very loud.

Still no FACTS.

lol

[Ian Royal]

madstad to nadderud. You're talking out your blowhole. Hahnemann kicked it out maybe a couple of times a game on average. It was part of a calculated plan as Brendy says. His poor kicking was a total myth.

Hahnemann the better keeper. Feds has slightly better kicking and is slightly more agile, but Hahnemann's positioningwas far superior.

[Madstad to Nadderud]

madstad to nadderud. You're talking out your blowhole. Hahnemann kicked it out maybe a couple of times a game on average. It was part of a calculated plan as Brendy says. His poor kicking was a total myth.

'His poor kicking was a total myth' - lol, and he kicked it out more than a couple of times a game.

Hahnemann the better keeper. Feds has slightly better kicking and is slightly more agile, but Hahnemann's positioningwas far superior.

Agree with 100% and said so earlier that Hahnemann is the better keeper overall.

[Vic_Flange]

the Great Keeper Deb8

Postby Dare to Dr£am » 22 Aug 2012 21:49
Feds - 2 games, 2 clangers, and 'that' corner.

He was amazing last season, but consistency temperamental before that.

Taylor signs for the season as cover/competition for Feds.

[i]Stick or Twist? (and provide a good argument for why)[/i]

LOL at the various replies from some people on here who cant read a piece of simple English

For me, the I would have dropped him for the Peterboro (sic) game which would have been an ideal oppotunity to try out Taylor, although I can see dropping Feds would knock his confidence. Now that opporortunity is with the QPR. mathch - again, would it knock Feds' confidence.

Stick with Federici for the Premier, he [Feds] is still are most expeireienced - but I agreee, any more clangers and it will be embarrassing. But we have only played Stoke & Chelsea, two games, it is still early - is it a STICK.